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  1. ShadowFold

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    Yea no kidding. The boarder isn't very secure now.. Imagine if Texas didn't have the US to protect it..
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    Or.. the US to control it...
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    that's when these guys rise up tell ya what
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    I am politically neutral, but watching this it seems if everone just calmed down and had a cup of coffee and talked it would be better. However, if you have a gun, and he has a gun and shouting starts, it is more of a question of who shoots first.



    Some of you should be ashamed, and have your guns taken away. Idiots who protect themselves against a goverment of morans who can only do what you allow them. And remember Obama didin't get there by magic, democracy "majority rule"!!!


    So if more people don't wnat guns than do, guess what? It isn't Obama that is taking them, it is your neighbour that is tired of your guns that is going to take them. Shoot the messenger.
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    If majority truly ruled, then in 2000 Al Gore would be in office. Steevo, you still think what your social studies teacher taught you how the government works. Truth is the government has thier ways of manipulating shit to get done what's on THIER agenda, not ours.
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    You are right, the most votes means nothing.


    But again, I don't vote and you guys are missing the point. He was elected, so there is at least enough people to vote, the US has survived horrible presidents before, and even if guns are illegal it's not like they can't be had.
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    This is not a democracy, it is a republic. As such, you forgot the last half: "rights of the minority." We have a right to object and we have a right to sucede from the union. :p


    Here is probably what it would look like if the civil war started today (the ones circled in red are the ones that would sucede):
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    Note that 80%+ of the food supply is in those states that would sucede; however, most ports are in those that would remain in the union. Conclusion: the battle would be bloody and long unless miltary personnel are overwhelmingly sympathetic with those states that sucede (which they probably would be) causing heavily armed uprisings in every state that remains in the union.


    The reason? People in the red areas disagree with the rest for the union to continue.
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    People have been using war as a way to get what they want for thousands of years, using religion, rights, thoughts or ideas as the pervase way to push the need for violance they want into action.


    Does someone from California really want no guns? No, they just want the guns out of the hands of idiots and thugs. By propgating such talk as succession you are making yourself an idiot in their eyes. By actually threating them, you are becoming a thug.


    So in all reality when the form of speach and iommunication breaks down between a person from Texas, and a person from California the person from Texas resorting to violence and physical threats lowers themselves to slightly above a monkey.



    I don't understand all them there high faluitin words, so's I'm just gonna shoot cha!!!! Whee haw, hump yer sisters, and drink that moon shine, burn them books to keep warm when it gets cold!!!!!
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    I'm glad I am stocked up and ready for war. At the next gun show I am going to buy alot of ammo. By alot of ammo I mean 5000 .22, 2000 7.62x39.

    Take a look at my Youtube channel if don't believe me!
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    I look at it this way.... If a "revolution" or any type of "civil uprising" happens (I really dont think it will ever happen) I am prepaired to defend myself to the fullest extent. If it doesn't, I have cool things to shoot on the weekends to relieve some stress from the work week. :toast:

    Someone said earlier that Congress controls the government, that is very much right. The president has some powers but is very limited at best. I personally did not vote for our now president but you cant blame everything on him. He is still very early into his "reign" I mean term, he inherited a real nightmare of an economy and a lot of nasty foreign affairs. I dont agree with the whole "bail out" crap at all, what are you going to do? The government today is so far out of touch with reality and day to day living in the US its scary.

    Something has to change I agree, but civil uprising or armed revolutions are very far fetched. People talk a lot of smack but if it were to boil down to actions most would "cower" away and hide their heads in the sand if confronted in such a manor.
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    First Video: Thats been happening with every president for the past 30 years, its called patrotism.

    Second Video: You have a group of inner city blacks who finally feel like they have a reason to be proud of them selves, and have a real reason to feel like they can accomplish anything because of Obama, and you claim it to be a bad thing.

    Third Video: Barbed wire in a train yard, surprising, really. Turnstiles in a train yard, I'm shaking. Newly renovated warehouses owned by Amtrak, oh and they're heated too. Oh Lord, get the guns ready.

    Fourth Video: OK, you have thousands of casket liners that the man who owns the property, CLAIMS, are owned by the CDC, not FEMA, they say in the video CDC. Either way, wheres the proof, they just ramble how the owner says its the CDC, wheres the owner? These people could have found a place where a casket manufacturer stores casket liners, and then they go and claim its all part of the NWO.

    You still have yet to provide substantial evidence.
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    Congress struggles to get anything done without the President's signature unless the bill is unanimous in both houses of Congress. The federal government is designed to be self moderating through peoples' natural tendancy to disagree; however, that self moderation is completely lost when any two parts of the government are full of yes-men...


    I think most of the problems in the USA would be solved if all Senators and Representatives had their annual wage cut to $10,000 (cover some costs of getting to and from D.C.) and only one scheduled meeting a week. That way, they truly are doing it as a public service and not personal gain.
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    I don't even care anymore
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    They just need to quit spending and making money we dont have.:banghead: When I was a kid I got into a lot of trouble with credit cards and I paid them all back I did not go out and spend more money. You cant buy your way out. :shadedshu They need to get rid of half the goverment. And go back to working for us. Obama said no new taxes but everything is going up fast except salaries. A lot of the monies there spending on is just not right. Health, green, windmills etc. list goes on and on. There just passing this shit because they always wanted it. Dont get me wrong some of the stuff is fine but not right now. Lets help the average Joe out. Small business needs a lot of help.

    And like my avitar says I am the only one entitled to my money etc. I worked hard all my life for what I got. I'm not rich but doing OK for now. I see a lot of friends/ people struggling and our government is just taking and taking. And spending and spending. People need to get away from Bush hes gone and we now have a new monster/ crook. But I'm more worried about the people under him.

    As for guns I think Don said it best we dont need every Jim Bob having one, there needs to be a cut off some where. Hell dont we led in all categories with our guns in US. I know guns dont kill. :)

    I didnt vote for him but he was elected. We just need to vote out all the ones under him. Because we are stuck with him. May God Bless all of us because hard times are here and are going to be coming for a long time to come, at this rate.
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    I used to think a U.S. civil war and subsequent balkanization of North America was a joke. Yet it seems that a growing domestic minority want that, in addition to the groups from abroad that have wanted it for centuries. The United States may fall apart just because people rather have that than trying to fix a few problems. It's easier to break things than fix them.

    To the proponents of civil war and balkanization I say be careful what you wish for. You may discover that things were better off when they were worse and vying for resources/world respect might just be a little more difficult when you're competing with 15-50 new neighbors.
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    A "few problems?" Fundamentally disagreeing on everything involving government isn't a "few problems"--it is no less than a dozen major problems, a thousand subsequent problems, and over 100 million people in the "minority" angry about it. The path this country has been on since WWII is on big government and a big budget (socialist government). A civil war would be to form a separate country with a small government and a small budget (capitalist government). It's been coming to this ever since FDR formed the Social Security Administration which, have we forgotten, is on the path to self-destruction. The constant bickering over how to fix SSA is just one of the many places where these "few problems" have boiled to the surface and have yet to be resolved. Congress has to loan SSA more and more money every year to keep it above water and this has been going on for over 30 years. Need I remind you that the Baby Boomers are going to start drawing on their SS deposits soon...


    Let me make one thing clear: I won't be joining their uprising but I can certainly sympathize with it.
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    I'm so glad I live in Australia, none of this "WE WANT OUR F*CKING GUNS GOD DAMMIT THE PIECE OF PAPER SAIS WE CAN HAVE THEM SO GIMMEH!!"
    We're happy with our simple shotguns, our bolt action rifles, our 10 round limited pistols. Even a crossbow (which requires a license) is more than enough to scare away the intruder, and even then we don't get many home intruders anyway. A .22 rifle for killing rabbits, .303 or 7.62 bolt action for hunting. Pistol for home defence, and a double barreled shotgun for the angry farmer.

    Why is the American mentality so centred on guns? Specifically, pump action shotguns, fully automatic rifles, and submachine guns. NO ONE needs them! And NEED is the key word. Are you regularly assaulted by 20 ninjas? Is your house broken into every night by the Bear Cavalry, intent on stealing your TV? Sounds like you need a Mac-10 to kill every last one!! Or do you plan on going out, joining a militia which is most likely run by an egotistical mini-Hitler, and shooting up the National Guard?
    Perhaps you're kid wants to go on a school shooting spree, killings thirty odd children and teachers. Or, perhaps you're just sick of it all, and drive down to an airport with Hat's said Vulcan Minigun mounted on the back of your favorite pickup trucl, and tear the place up?

    Does anyone here seriously think that you need a Mac-10, AK-47, or a Vulcan Minigun in your basement? And 2000 rounds of 7.62 bullets, accurately shot; thats 2000 dead people. Thats a more than you'll find in a large high school.
    And yet people still insist, demand, that they be allowed fully automatic weapons! To do what, hunt rabbits? No sir, every automatic weapon is a killing spree waiting to happen; it just requires the wrong kind of person to get the idea that yes, some people deserve to die.
    Now, personal defence; sure, you're walking home at night. Someone comes out of a dark corner and tries to mug you. You happen to have your trusty 1911A pistol in your pocket. Do you blast their head off? Or wing them in the leg? Nope. You shout at them and tell them to piss off. Why not just carry a taser, or Mace? Works just as well, and they have much less chance of killing someone.

    The most deadly weapon I have in my house is a recurve bow; I use it for junior archery, and it is about as useful for home defence as a saxophone. Its never strung, because that makes it lose its strength. I could probably shoot 3 - 4 accurate arrows in a minute, if I had the right sight settings.
    My parents don't own guns. There are only three people I know who have guns; one does pistol shooting at a range, one goes hunting occasionally, and the last is a farmer.

    I see no need for owning an automatic weapon, or a pump action shotgun, or even a .45 calibre pistol. Civil war? Enjoy it, you'll probably have a bloodbath knowing how many guns are lying around. And the old saying, "guns don't kill people, people kill people" is true, but its stupid. People DO kill people, but guns make it soo much easier to do so. Lastly, the constitution? Its a few hundred years old. What would you say if we were still using the same internet protocols that we are now, in 200 years time? It would just be completely stupid. New technology comes along, unforseen, and the constitution wasn't prepared for Vulcan Miniguns. It was not meant for regulating tens of millions of people, each one with the ability to go out and buy something capable of killing hundreds.
    What happens when things go out of date? They get updated, or patched. This is what the constitution requires.

    /rant

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    Simple answer. The criminals in America, and the Enemies have them, hence it's kosher for someone to have an M16 (semi-auto). The guns are there for Americans to quite literally protect themselves against an aggression led by the Government.
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    I think a civil war and breakup will be infinitely worse then having to pay for social security. There has never been and never will be a clean civil war or breakup of an empire.

    Another civil war in the United States for the reasons you describe will be a failure of democracy. It will be a triumph for the weak of spirit who do not truly believe in democracy or a free society. A healthy society would seek the changes they desire through their political will and a unified voice. I am becoming quite confident that the United States will not survive this century and maybe not my lifetime. Not for the reasons you described but because our society is fundamentally sick. We will not succeed in reform because the people no longer want reform, just someone to blame for their troubles real or perceived. The dream of a society based of freedom, equality, and liberty is dead because no one in the world truly believes anymore. Contemporary political discourse is not "how do we fix this" it is "whose fault is it". The gays are destroying my marriage, the immigrants are stealing my jobs, big government is taking my money, terrorists are taking my freedom, liberals are destroying my society, and science is destroying my religion. That's all I ever hear from the news, just hate politics, nothing more.

    I have a copy of the United States constitution which I am slow framing and putting on my walls as I get the money, since $25 for per frame for 5 frames is a lot to me. I think when I'm an old man I'll cry for the lost American dream and the ideas of the philosophers that went into that document. Sometimes I feel I may be the only one.

    That's enough from me on this topic. I'm getting depressed.
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    you guys are stupid, i cant even begin to imagine a civil war
    problem is that you have guns and have easy access to weapons so practically anyone who can organise can start a war but the gov have tanks and vehicles and NUKES

    they might just nuke their own people

    think about it, this is as likely to happen as a civil war is :laugh:

    its like scotland sure we dont like britian that much but we aint gonna succeed from the UK fuck we created the UK

    americans take everything to the extreme, china cannot stop your utilities heck your utilities are old and your national power grid is old its more likely to fail at points from disrepair and neglect

    you guys have been playing to many video games get over it your problems have been coming for years, its a lot of global issues not just sole american ones, its gonna take a massive upturn globaly to fix some things

    look back to the real great depression of the late 20s early 30s and see what i mean

    at least democrats were preparing a bit for something then bush spent it all on a war and private companies who can charge what they like, contractors are the evil son of Lucifer
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    IF anything blame us Scottish for creating the social welfare state, we created the pension schemes, national health service, benefits, the tax schemes ect. Labour is a Scottish born political party for the people, so they can get a better standard of life, Labour created the social welfare state.

    Everythign in Britain was geared towards the rich because they were the only ones who could afford health care and education and pensions ect. Then everyone realised that they needed the lower class to be educated and healthy to progress and develop as a nation. New tech meant peopel had to be trained to use machines, healthy workers were better too.

    You in America everything is privately owned, you just dont realise that something need to be publicly owned so they can be moderated and standardised.

    Next you will be telling me to get rid of the police and everyone can do vigilante justice and go around shooting people and stuff. Or a private police force and you need to pay and have a choice of which company you want to solve your crime.
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    Soon America will be an elected dictatorship. Some democracy that is.

    America was created in a time of empires and monarchy it was unheard of to be a democracy, people wanted freedom of religion because usually there was a state religion, people wanted to be free from racial and cultural persecution.

    Sorry for the triple post lads.
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    Democracy is a hypothetical that only works in small groups and not the masses like governments. Again, every "democratic" government is in fact a republic.

    People have been crying out for reform for over 30 years and nothing has come of it. The IRS is still the same IRS it was in 1953. The pork spending has boomed in the last few decades and no one, dispite saying they were going to do something, did anything about it. The "God-given" rights in the Constitution are constantly being chewed away at. Corporations control over 80% of the GDP. The list goes on and on and on. Like all great empires (e.g. Rome), they eventually fall.


    I'm getting depressed too but, I think this train is beyond stopping. It is on a path for self-destruction and accelerating.



    And this has nothing to do with guns. Guns are merely tools used to incite real change. Hell, the Constition includes the right to bare arms for the primary purpose of the citizens keeping the government in check.
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    Look at EU. It has small countries, but is on a progressive path. If US ever disintegrates, it should use EU as a political (if not social) model. I envy Europeans because they [almost] have a common currency and can freely roam within the union without all the travel visa bs. I on the other hand, live in a country which is in a hostile neighbourhood. You have China on one side that wants every sq ft of land it could possibly grab with wtf border disputes, Pakistan on the other, that uses state-funded terrorism as a foreign-policy tool, and Sri Lanka on the south which has its own rebellion problems.

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