C2D vs C2Q vs PII

[cdawall]

wrong i posted this the last time you said that and it was wrong then and now


Q9400's
BEST wprime 1024 score 288.108s
http://img.techpowerup.org/090111/wprime 1024 Q9400.jpg
best wprime 32 score 9.015s
http://img.techpowerup.org/090111/wprime 32 Q9400.jpg

X2 940
best wprime 1024 score 222.222s
http://img.techpowerup.org/090111/wprime 1024 phenom.jpg
best wprime 32 score 6.884s
http://img.techpowerup.org/090111/wprime 32 phenom.jpg

ok now the phenoms were clocked higher but what if the Q9400 is?

well what do you know the phenom wins at a lower clock to!

phenom @3987 scores 9.315s
http://img.techpowerup.org/090111/wprime 32 phenom 3987.jpg

Q9400 @4040 scores 9.594s
http://img.techpowerup.org/090111/wprime 32 Q9400 4040.jpg


notice how clock for clock the AMD does better. now i7 would win hands down but thats in a different price range.

 

[MaxAwesome]

Really, people. No matter what you read or listen a good Intel Core 2 Duo, Quad or phenom will last you a long while and certainly break the 3 year barrier. And by then, Intel core i7 will have matured to a point where it is actually worth buying.

 

[trickson]

HERE we go again and this Wprime is the end all be all of every benchmark right ? you are basing your right and wrong souly on this POS benchmark and all the while Xbit labs , tom's harware are wrong now ?
X-bit Labs...
The new Phenom II X4 doesn’t look too impressive against the background of contemporary Core 2 Quad and especially Core i7 CPUs. The results of our tests show that the top Phenom II X4 processors can only be worthy rivals to the Core 2 Quad CPUs from the “junior” Q8000 series. Unfortunately, Phenom II X4 cannot yet do better than that.

Toms hardware stated this .
A comparison between the current top-of-the-line AMD Phenom II X4 940 and the Intel Core i7 shows the Intel processor coming out about 22% faster. On the other hand, in comparison with the Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600, the same Phenom II CPU finishes about 10% ahead.
Read some of it here or all of it if you like .
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/phenom-ii-940,2114-24.html
HMM I wounder whom is right now ?

 

[cdawall]

HERE we go again and this Wprime is the end all be all of every benchmark right ? you are basing your right and wrong souly on this POS benchmark and all the while Xbit labs , tom's harware are wrong now ? The new Phenom II X4 doesn’t look too impressive against the background of contemporary Core 2 Quad and especially Core i7 CPUs. The results of our tests show that the top Phenom II X4 processors can only be worthy rivals to the Core 2 Quad CPUs from the “junior” Q8000 series. Unfortunately, Phenom II X4 cannot yet do better than that.

ok thats fine here are some 3D benchmarks now notice the Q9400 rig is tec cooled and @4ghz with the 4870@845/1127 while the 940 rig is H2O cooled @3.987ghz with the 4870@840/1035 so the intel rig wins but not by much at all. this is the point i'm trying to make

3D03 AMD looses by 15%
AMD X4 940 scores 48692
http://img.techpowerup.org/090111/3D03 940.jpg
Intel Q9400 scores 56429
http://img.techpowerup.org/090111/3D03 Q9400.jpg

3D05 AMD wins by 8%
AMD X4 940 scores 25827
http://img.techpowerup.org/090111/3D05 940.jpg
Intel Q9400 scores 23621
http://img.techpowerup.org/090111/3D05 Q9400.jpg

3D06 AMD looses by 2%
AMD X4 940 scores 18068
http://img.techpowerup.org/090111/3D06 940287.jpg
Intel Q9400 scores 18501
http://img.techpowerup.org/090111/3d06 Q9400.jpg

3D mark Vantage AMD looses by 4.9%
AMD X4 940 scores P10251
http://img.techpowerup.org/090111/phenom 3Dvantage.jpg
Intel Q9400 scores P10756
http://img.techpowerup.org/090111/Q9400 vantage.jpg


the difference that the AMD looses by are small enough to be in the margin of error of the program not to mention the clock speed differences. this could easily had the AMD win if the GPU's were at the same clock speed. now were is the AMD not keeping up with intel? these are very similar setups 4GB of ram AMD quad vs intel quad and a 4870.

 

[trickson]

I never EVER said that AMD was not a great CPU nor have I EVER said that they are not keeping up they are and doing quite well against Intel's 2 year old tech I might add .

 

[cdawall]

I never EVER said that AMD was not a great CPU nor have I EVER said that they are not keeping up they are and doing quite well against Intel's 2 year old tech I might add .

ummm the Q9400 was released 6/25/08

http://www.hardware.info/productdb/bGRkapibmJTKZ8g/viewproduct/Intel_Core_2_Quad_Q9400/

not exactly 2 years ago


and you may not have said it but you quoted it, oddly enough i have easily proven these benchmark sites wrong with 6 different benchmarks?

HERE we go again and this Wprime is the end all be all of every benchmark right ? you are basing your right and wrong souly on this POS benchmark and all the while Xbit labs , tom's harware are wrong now ?
X-bit Labs...
The new Phenom II X4 doesn’t look too impressive against the background of contemporary Core 2 Quad and especially Core i7 CPUs. The results of our tests show that the top Phenom II X4 processors can only be worthy rivals to the Core 2 Quad CPUs from the “junior” Q8000 series. Unfortunately, Phenom II X4 cannot yet do better than that.

Toms hardware stated this .
A comparison between the current top-of-the-line AMD Phenom II X4 940 and the Intel Core i7 shows the Intel processor coming out about 22% faster. On the other hand, in comparison with the Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600, the same Phenom II CPU finishes about 10% ahead.
Read some of it here or all of it if you like .
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/phenom-ii-940,2114-24.html
HMM I wounder whom is right now ?

 

[farlex85]

The 940 is about on par w/ the q9400, why are we still arguing about that? The q9550 is however faster (even at stock clocks, at equivalent clocks the 9550 wins by a significant amount), and at ~$40 more to me would be the better choice. If talking future-proof, go w/ the fastest you can afford, which in this case would be option 1.

 

[trickson]

ummm the Q9400 was released 6/25/08

http://www.hardware.info/productdb/bGRkapibmJTKZ8g/viewproduct/Intel_Core_2_Quad_Q9400/

not exactly 2 years ago


and you may not have said it but you quoted it, oddly enough i have easily proven these benchmark sites wrong with 6 different benchmarks?

OK you are right I am wrong I am sorry for that .
Oh but you fail to see that the Q9400 is still C2D LGA775 tech Nothing near the i7 tech . Sorry again you are still right though .

 

[DarkEgo]

I think you guys are misunderstanding my idea of future-proofing. When I say future-proofing I mean 6 months MAX! I can't keep hardware for years! When I see that good deal come up I just kind of have to buy it, you know.

 

[CDdude55]

I think you guys are misunderstanding my idea of future-proofing. When I say future-proofing I mean 6 months MAX! I cans keep hardware for years! When I see that good deal come up I just kind of have to buy it, you know.

Then go with the cheapest if you are only going 6months max, no point in wasting thousands for only half a year of hardware usage.

 

[cdawall]

OK you are right I am wrong I am sorry for that .
Oh but you fail to see that the Q9400 is still C2D LGA775 tech Nothing near the i7 tech . Sorry again you are still right though .

and the phenom is still just a remake of the 5 year old athlon 64 tech the differences between K10b and K8 are very very small

 

[ShadowFold]

I still say go for the Biostar 790GX and PII 940. Cheapest route to go for the best performance ATM.

 

[trickson]

Sorry you are right .

 

[farlex85]

I think you guys are misunderstanding my idea of future-proofing. When I say future-proofing I mean 6 months MAX! I can't keep hardware for years! When I see that good deal come up I just kind of have to buy it, you know.

If 6 months is your aim and gaming is your primary game, I would take the dualie. Cheapest option and will perform most things like that just as well as the quad right now and for the next 6 months easily. I wouldn't take a pII until the prices drop as they inevitably will.

 

[DarkEgo]

So right now duel vs quad core for the next six months:
E8500 with Asus P%Q pro VS Phenom II 940 with DFI 790GX
EDIT: IN 6 months I will make a DDR3 system, either CORE I7 or Phenom II.

 

[cdawall]

So right now duel vs quad core for the next six months:
E8500 with Asus P%Q pro VS Phenom II 940 with DFI 790GX
EDIT: IN 6 months I will make a DDR3 system, either CORE I7 or Phenom II.

the AMD rig hands down

 

[ShadowFold]

So right now duel vs quad core for the next six months:
E8500 with Asus P%Q pro VS Phenom II 940 with DFI 790GX
EDIT: IN 6 months I will make a DDR3 system, either CORE I7 or Phenom II.

That DFI is a BEAST. Go AMD!

 

[CDdude55]

I still say go for the Biostar 790GX and PII 940. Cheapest route to go for the best performance ATM.

Agreed, cheap platform, new tech and should last as long as you want.

 

[farlex85]

So right now duel vs quad core for the next six months:
E8500 with Asus P%Q pro VS Phenom II 940 with DFI 790GX
EDIT: IN 6 months I will make a DDR3 system, either CORE I7 or Phenom II.

Honestly, I'd stick w/ what you got for the moment as far as cpu goes, the easiest upgrade would be to the e8500 if you wanted though. The PII will drop in price soon, the 945 will also be out before too long, which has ddr3 and ddr2 which will make that transition smoother, and like I said you just don't need a quad yet. Price/performance the e8500 is your best choice (actually the e8400 if you have a microcenter around you, can be had for $150 and can go up to 4.7 or so on air). But if you just want some new stuff to play w/, well, you could take anything.

 

[trickson]

Why would you say future proof and then say for 6 month only ? when I think future proof I think of 2-3 years down the road . If you want to make new builds every 6 month you must have lots of cash and if that is the case the go with AMD as you will need to keep upgrading till you reach the level that the i7 is at now by this time 2 years from now you will have had what 4 different computers and by then you should be reaching the point of the i7 power with the AMD setup .
Good luck bro...

 

[DarkEgo]

Why would you say future proof and then say for 6 month only ? when I think future proof I think of 2-3 years down the road . If you want to make new builds every 6 month you must have lots of cash and if that is the case the go with AMD as you will need to keep upgrading till you reach the level that the i7 is at now by this time 2 years from now you will have had what 4 different computers and by then you should be reaching the point of the i7 power with the AMD setup .
Good luck bro...

Well for me 6 months is future proofing.

 

[Darren]

If you want to make new builds every 6 month you must have lots of cash and if that is the case the go with AMD

Why would you have to keep upgrading every 6 months, I've had my AMD Athlon X2 3800+ for almost 3 years, and all my games play at 4x AA, 8X AF, 1440x900 very high detail. I maintain between 40-70 FPS on Tomb raider Underworld, Grid, and COD:WAW amongst other games.


If my old 3800+ X2 is capable of this level of gaming obviously a Phenom II would provide better performance. So tell me, if a 3800+ X2 can last me 3 years to date and is going strong, why would a Phenom II last only 6 months.

Your nonsense defies all logic to the extent of breaking the laws of physics.

you must have lots of cash and if that is the case the go with AMD

You mean a lot of cash to go with Intel. We've already proved in many other threads that the Intel build costs more, so why would you need more cash to go with AMD?.

by this time 2 years from now you will have had what 4 different computers and by then you should be reaching the point of the i7 power with the AMD setup .

Well like I said previously my 3800 X2 has lasted 3 years (more than 2 years if you can count) and is going strong. So 2 years on a Phenom II rig sounds a bit farfetched, and your previous claim of 6 months is borderline stupid.

computers and by then you should be reaching the point of the i7 power with the AMD

Phenom IIs are between the Q9xxx and i7, so we have already reached "the point of the i7 power" as the difference is insignificant. 1-10FPS difference, wow so glad I spend an extra £450 for an extra 10 FPS, when I could of bought a new GPU for £150 and gained an extra 100 FPS.

Edit:

Trickson, the more you post the more your fanboyism shows and the more infractions you occur, so go ahead

Edit 2:

PII has not reached i7 power, that is mis-leading. If falls right at the q9400 and q9300, which is well below i7 and is also below 12mb cache c2q (q9550, q9650). You wouldn't spend the extra money for games, but why even spend the extra for PII in games. Why not go w/ a cheaper dual?

Relative to the performance gain in games, when comparing price to performance difference. 1-10 FPS difference is so insignificant I couldn't justify the spend. However, in the theadstarters situation I wouldn't go Phenom as he would need the motherboard change, I would keep the existing setup or go E8xxx

My response to Trickson was not the threadstarters recommendation farlex

I even stressed that a crappy 3800 X2+ is enough, so obviously the a Phenom or i7 isn't needed for gaming.

Edit 3:

Which as I said, if you were making that point you would inevitably come to the conclusion that no quad would really be worth the money, and a cheaper dual (a la e8400/e8500) would be the better choice.

Indeed. Quad isnt needed for gaming. But I do resent Trickson for making false claims about AMD lasting 6 months, that is the issue at hand that one needs to address.

Edit 4:

I never said AMD would last 6 months get it right will you !
THE OP UPGRADES EVERY 6 MONTHS !

Why would one need to do processor upgrades every 6 months when going Phenom, when I've had my 3800 X2+ for 3 years?

Every GOD DAMN time I say some thing EVEN remotely against AMD you AMD FANBOYS twist it and call me names and treat me like I know shit ! I am getting really sick of this !

how can I be a fanboy. I recommended the threadstarter an Intel CPU, that makes me a AMD fanboy?

Darkego was the one that said for him 6 months is future proof . Why not read all peoples posts then when you disagree go some were els ?

He said it initially...then you clarified it in agreement, I can bring out the quotes


Edit 5:

And then you bring out some crap on me ? no no thanks . I am good and pissed now thank you . as I stated before I will do so again since it seems that my point gets trampled on by the AMD back lash crap !

OP DARKEGO go with a CPU upgrade (If you can ) saving yourself some cash and keeping your water block also saving you about 100 bucks as well . the Q9550 is a far better choice and for you will do you well for a LONG TIME TO COME !

The difference is, Darkego said future proofing is 6 months extra , however you said AMD only last 6 months. There is a difference.

 

[farlex85]

Phenom IIs are between the Q9xxx and i7, so we have already reached "the point of the i7 power" as the difference is insignificant. 1-10FPS difference, wow so glad I spend an extra £450 for an extra 10 FPS, when I could of bought a new GPU for £150 and gained an extra 100 FPS.

PII has not reached i7 power, that is mis-leading. If falls right at the q9400 and q9300, which is well below i7 and is also below 12mb cache c2q (q9550, q9650). You wouldn't spend the extra money for games, but why even spend the extra for PII in games. Why not go w/ a cheaper dual?

 

[trickson]

Why would you have to keep upgrading every 6 months, I've had my AMD Athlon X2 3800+ for almost 3 years, and all my games play at 4x AA, 8X AF, 1440x900 very high detail. I maintain between 40-70 FPS on Tomb raider Underworld, Grid, and COD:WAW amongst other games.


If my old 3800+ X2 is capable of this level of gaming obviously a Phenom II would provide better performance. So tell me, if a 3800+ X2 can last me 3 years to date and is going strong, why would a Phenom II last only 6 months.

Your nonsense defies all logic to the extent of breaking the laws of physics.




You mean a lot of cash to go with Intel. We've already proved in many other threads that the Intel build costs more, so why would you need more cash to go with AMD?.





Well like I said previously my 3800 X2 has lasted 3 years (more than 2 years if you can count) and is going strong. So 2 years on a Phenom II rig sounds a bit farfetched, and your previous claim of 6 months is borderline stupid.





Phenom IIs are between the Q9xxx and i7, so we have already reached "the point of the i7 power" as the difference is insignificant. 1-10FPS difference, wow so glad I spend an extra £450 for an extra 10 FPS, when I could of bought a new GPU for £150 and gained an extra 100 FPS.

Edit:

Trickson, the more you post the more your fanboyism shows and the more infractions you occur, so go ahead

Removing this post in 20mins, because I don't want to waste a post count on nonsense

OK so how am I being a fan boy one , two if the OP upgrades every 6 months there is going to be a lot of money spent , three I thought I had the right to think freely now you are going to tell me what you have you think but I can not do so right ? I will get an infraction for stating what fanboy statement was is ?
I stand behind what I have said If you do not agree with it then so be it I surely think I am adding to the conversation not just threatening members and calling them names .

Why would you say future proof and then say for 6 month only ? when I think future proof I think of 2-3 years down the road . If you want to make new builds every 6 month you must have lots of cash and if that is the case the go with AMD as you will need to keep upgrading till you reach the level that the i7 is at now by this time 2 years from now you will have had what 4 different computers and by then you should be reaching the point of the i7 power with the AMD setup .
Good luck bro...

What is wrong with this statement ? I think it is nothing but the truth .

 

[farlex85]

Relative to the performance gain in games, when comparing price to performance difference

Which as I said, if you were making that point you would inevitably come to the conclusion that no quad would really be worth the money, and a cheaper dual (a la e8400/e8500) would be the better choice.