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Creative Software Modder Daniel_K Gone for Good

Discussion in 'News' started by malware, Jun 8, 2008.

  1. OnBoard

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    Still running with his (modified)drivers, only ones that work in Vista. No problems in any games and spdif works. Will be a sad day if these stop working in some games :( *knocks on wood*
     
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    I love how when people actually make a point of defense upholding a companies actions, and a point that makes sense, everyone throws the fanboi card

    So - by your reasoning, Creative should be out their pulling ALL or the 3rd party drivers for these cards. Why, then, are the only putting a stop to one specific set of modified drivers? BECAUSE FEATURES THAT THESE DRIVERS ENABLE VIOLATE EULA AGREEMENTS THAT YOU AGREE TO WHEN YOU INSTALL THE ASSOCIATED HARDWARE - why, then, have they not pulled any of the other 3rd party driver sets?

    They aren't keeping anyone from modding the drivers, nor the hardware, at the sake of their profit - they stopping modified software that enables features that were not initially enabled - and therefore, are also not supported. Secondly, as I mentioned before, if the features are disabled due to some licensing or contractual agreement between Creative and another company, Creative could be held legally liable for a breach of contract.



    And for all those that have been trying to claim that Creative are a money-grubbing corporation, keep in mind that they are a publicly traded company (at least their US branch is), and must enact in the best interest of their shareholders - and their shares have been on a steady decline since 2005 - there was a burst when the X-Fis were released, but they have been steadily losing money (why do you think they keep trying to bring new products to market?). They've had to sell their primary headquarters in Taiwan, and that's been within the last year . . . c'mon, people, think! You complain when 10 year old hardware no longer functions properly, or things become disabled - but how else is a company who produces fairly-reliable products that will last 10+ years ever going to turn a profit if their ancient hardware still functions "correctly?"


    So - by that argument . . . explain to me what is the "same damn thing" between the X-Fi series and the Audigy series (excluding the Xtreme Audio). Explain to me, also, what is the "same damn thing" between the Live! series and the Audigy series as well. Please, explain this one to me, because I fail to see or understand your point on even the tiniest level.
     
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    I don't think you understand that some people don't agree with intellectual property rights.

    Creative = greedy capitalist pigs
     
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    Unfortunate for this "creative" genious genuis" . lolololol im fukkkked
     
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    Miss him? Lol ..ok... a few of you need to step outside for some fresh air.
     
  6. KainXS

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    when I started the Audigy to X-fi drivers last year he was the only person who actually saw that and took it upon himself to do the same thing and actually made the drivers so yes, I will miss his him in the scene.

    there won't be anymore "GOOD" drivers for creative cards for vista anymore also.
     
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    lol customercare.creative.com is probably a fake email.
     
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    Lol. Dont think youll find many fans of communism on TPU.

    You really think a firm like Creative would even exist if there werent property rights? What about Intel? Do you think theyd spend billions of dollars on producing generation after genration of CPUs if they couldnt patent their products? Protection of intellectual property drives innovation and thankfully most people realise this. the people that dont agree are simply freeriders.
     
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    Me neither!!!! Fuck Creative!!
     
  10. imperialreign

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    agreed - and when consider the company in question has been steadily losing money for the last 8 years, it only fuels their defense of their property.


    It's all good, though - considering the amount of people on the internet that keep joining into these mod-mentalities against Creative and not really thinking about the issues at hand; should Creative completely go under, everyone will just find another scapegoat - probably ASUS or Auzentech; and again we'll see some heavy-handed practices from said company in the audio market as well, like Creative has been doing for the last 10 years.

    I'll guarantee you that.
     
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    My ballbag is is elasticated. Any1 go to strawbryyy fair????????????
     
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    Yeah, just about any card with a C-media Oxygen HD chip will do it.
     
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    Lol, need to get to bed. Or at least have some coffee. How much have you had to drink?
     
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    According to Creative's own FAQ, sound cards from the X-Fi and Audigy families are incapable of decoding Dolby Digital or DTS, due to the fact that "these functions are not supported at driver level in Windows Vista."

    In Windows XP Dolby Digital and DTS work, daniel_k's drivers made them work in Vista as well. This is only one example.

    @imperialreign
    Is it stealing to get "the same damn thing" working in Vista too?

    Edit: Last summer Creative, charged its customers a $9.99 fee for the privilege of legacy EAX support under Windows Vista.
    As a comparisson...What if Microsoft charged us $9.99 for each service pack for XP for example? Would that be ok?
     
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    dont be so quick to Judge - My full heritage is Chinese but somewhere along my bloodline one of my great great great great granma's/ancestors got a little frisky with a Russian - so im like less then 10% Russian?? - Its all in My DNA anyway - the darker brown eyes & the skinnier, taller, more stockier build - did i mention one of my grandfathers was taller then 6ft2?? - that is way tall for a chinese guy


    China - communist
    Russia - Communist
    Me - Born in Britain, U.K (Rofl)

    Communisum ftw!
     
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    They obviously havent lost enough money, when this is over youll probably lose your sig. I bet if Intel,Amd,Nvidia,western digital,seagate, and all other computer companies followed creatives lead you would be talking out of the OTHER SIDE OF YOUR FACE. Why not buy all new when you switch to vista, and if you dont like vista, junk what you bought, buy new again and go with xp.
     
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    And that is considered missleading advertising and may be sanctioned by law in most countries.

    They are lucky if they havent been sued by now, and that is thanks to daniel_k in part, and the fan base. How come he, an individual, could make the drivers work for Vista while Creative, a experienced company, still "works around the clock" real hard striving to bring back what previously worked in XP.

    Vista is not to blame for this, but let's not start a XP vs Vista flame war here pls.

    I do not think Creative are incapable, they have excelent hardware, and I bet they could make the old hardware work on the new OS, that's what made me think that it was just a "business decision" as they call it to make their old hardware work properly again.
     
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    Vista runs fine on my P4 2.5GHz 2GB DDR 9800xt.....
     
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    :toast:+1 but highly off topic mate!:laugh:
    Yes vista is much better than the day it was launched. Gave it a go once every 6 months.. Now I finally have it instaled (dual boot) I am pleased with microsoft's progress, and also the fact that drivers have matured and slowly continue to do so. Vista's viable now, never thought I'd say that.
     
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    I agree they could be held accountable for it - their marketing department fooked that one up for sure.

    All-in-all, their hardware is still really great; but the rest of the company has gone downhill over the last 10 years, and they're nothing like I remember them being back during the ISA days, or during the move to PCI back in '96. Their customer service has gone to crap, and I swear their driver team has been on vacation the last 2 years and just keep phoning in the new driver releases. Plus, their tech support is a massive waste of time - if their tech support was worth a damn, I never would've had to start the X-Fi thread here. I just found it sad, though, the vast number of users out there with legitimate issues that they couldn't get resolved with Creative's tech support.

    I still have hopes they'll straigthen their act out and turn themselves around - they seem to have been trying to do so recently; we'll have to see if that holds up.




    you just crossed the line, man, congrats on showing just how mature you are :toast:
     
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    They better... otherwise I see a grim outcome for them, they've lost so many loyal clients already.
     
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    Creative is going to lose ALOT of customer's doing this. I really can't see them sticking to it, and I don't even think that e-mail was real. Have a look here, and on the creative forums....almost every post is "I am done with Creative", "I will never buy Creative again!"..etc. Not good at all for Creative.
     
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