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I see. Just out of curiosity, how high do you think I can overclock my Q9450 with a tj10 with 5 120mm case fans, and a TRUE with a 120mm fan? Assuming room temperature. I have no idea what to expect, but I know the 8x multilpier is rather low. I have yet to finish researching overclocking, but I have a general idea of how it works from a few guides.
 
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I'd say w/ some good ram and a good chip 3.8, though around 3.6 for 24/7 stable probably.
 

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Awesome. Thanks to everyone for the help and info!

But can anyone give a second opinion on the speed difference between the 7200.11 and the Samsung F1 and WD Se16? I can't find any tests between them.
 

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this is one 7200.11

 
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For the 750gb drives I believe the 7200.11s test a little higher, although I can't find any direct comparisons either. I think any of those three will do ya good. On the egg right now, the 7200.11s are also the cheapest so........
 

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7200.11 it is then. Thanks.

I'll be sure to make a post showing the setup I end up using for a portable TRUE mod when the time comes.
 

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All 750GB drives are slower than 640GB drives because the 640s have larger platter density (~320GB per disk versus 250GB per disk). The extra 16MB of cache makes almost no difference in performance. Thus a 320GB single platter Seagate will be faster than a 750GB 3 platter drive. If the 640s are to small for you, this drive also uses the larger platters:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152102
 
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One thing I forgot to ask though. Sorry.

Is 1333 mhz RAM really the best choice? According to this chart I found, it would seem that I would be getting better performance going with a DDR3 800 system, dual channeled, because I cannot attain the FSB needed to dual channel 1333, even with the perfect overclock. Single channel would yeild a 10.7 GB/s rate with 1333, but with 800 dual channeled, I could get 12.8 GB/s dual channeled.



(Source: http://www.nehalemnews.com)

The only problem is that I know dual channeled RAM does not actually double the bandwidth in real situations. So, the real question becomes: are these numbers real values? Or with each additional channel, do you get diminishing returns? Or are all these listed bandwidths really a set, say, only 68%) of what the real values are?


EDIT: I understand how about the hard drives. Seems that 640 is indeed the way to go. I am going to go with the 640 WD model on Newegg.

In other words, is 10.7 GB/s (theoretical) faster than 12.6 GB/s dual channeled (theoretical)?

Sorry for the confusing format of the question.


EDIT: Hard drive comments make more sense now. I see why the 640's are better. I am probably going to go with these WD 640s, which were linked in this thread. I'm assuming that two 320's will outperform 3 250's, even though the two only have a 16mb cache.
 
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Hey germs,
Dude you are nuts,flying with the temjin10 will be a mission...
i have a tj09...these cases are NOT portable.
 

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Hey germs,
Dude you are nuts,flying with the temjin10 will be a mission...
i have a tj09...these cases are NOT portable.

Agreed, moving full size towers is a pain. I'd get a laptop or at least a matx case.
 

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It is a mission I am willing (forced) to accept. I will be working out a lot over this summer, and I don't need to move it until then. Thats 4 months to beef up eneough to carry my case. Should provide a good incentive at least! :)
 

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I'm assuming that two 320's will outperform 3 250's, even though the two only have a 16mb cache.
Yes if the 320s have the larger single platter, not all do. Some 1TB drives (Samsung F1 1TB and soon the WD 1TB drives will also). All 640s use the larger platter.

I'd go with one of these, depending on your size requirements:
WD Caviar se16 640GB
Samsung F1 1TB
 

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Yes if the 320s have the larger single platter, not all do. Some 1TB drives (Samsung F1 1TB and soon the WD 1TB drives will also). All 640s use the larger platter.

I was referring to platters rather than drives. I'm assuming that that doesnt change things, however, and that the 640 I linked will still, as you said, outperform any current SATA 750.
 

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Hey germs,
Dude you are nuts,flying with the temjin10 will be a mission...
i have a tj09...these cases are NOT portable.

I also have a TJ-09, which a bit smaller then TJ-10. I think you will regret getting it to take it on multiple trips with you. mine is pain to move just to clean it, lol.
 

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I was referring to platters rather than drives. I'm assuming that that doesnt change things, however, and that the 640 I linked will still, as you said, outperform any current SATA 750.

Correct.
 

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EDIT 2: Screw RAID. Unnecessary.

Thanks. Now that I'm looking into more drives, I'm getting into the RAID frenzy, which I told myself I wouldn't. I just researched for a long time relearning the levels, and decided that I will go with 4 (overkill, I know) 640 GB drives in RAID 0 configuration, and then, if you can have multiple arrays on the same computer, two (single platter) 320 GB drives to put my important data on in RAID 1, assuming the write speed reduction isn't noticable for saving small things such as pictures off web pages. Can this be done? My motherboard is listed as supporting RAID levels 1 and 0, but I am assuming I will still need a RAID card in order to do it.

EDIT: Also, just out of curiosity, if I were to get 6 of the same drive, could I do a raid 05/50 array with the proper RAID card, even though my motherboard doesn't support it?
 
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Sounds pretty good. The only problem is that I can't find a site that does a comparison between the two. Where did you manage to find info on them (comparitavely)?

I was thinking though, even with the TRUE, and a 120mm scythe fan, I could avoid damage to the motherboard by attaching a copper plate or two to the side window of the case to support it, right? Put into position/mounted when the motherboard is in the case horizontally, then set to stand up at all other times, or by a metal plate similar to how some new cases have supports for graphics cards (just maccguyvered to my needs). Is this a good idea? Like I said, my uncle is extremely handy, and something like this shouldn't be too hard for us to do.

Also, thanks for the clarification on the cables.
Here's at least one of the reviews showing the Xigma ahead of the TRUE. http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.p...sk=view&id=111&Itemid=62&limit=1&limitstart=4
 

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One thing I forgot to ask though. Sorry.

Is 1333 mhz RAM really the best choice? According to this chart I found, it would seem that I would be getting better performance going with a DDR3 800 system, dual channeled, because I cannot attain the FSB needed to dual channel 1333, even with the perfect overclock. Single channel would yeild a 10.7 GB/s rate with 1333, but with 800 dual channeled, I could get 12.8 GB/s dual channeled.



(Source: http://www.nehalemnews.com)

The only problem is that I know dual channeled RAM does not actually double the bandwidth in real situations. So, the real question becomes: are these numbers real values? Or with each additional channel, do you get diminishing returns? Or are all these listed bandwidths really a set, say, only 68%) of what the real values are?


EDIT: I understand how about the hard drives. Seems that 640 is indeed the way to go. I am going to go with the 640 WD model on Newegg.

In other words, is 10.7 GB/s (theoretical) faster than 12.6 GB/s dual channeled (theoretical)?

Sorry for the confusing format of the question.


EDIT: Hard drive comments make more sense now. I see why the 640's are better. I am probably going to go with these WD 640s, which were linked in this thread. I'm assuming that two 320's will outperform 3 250's, even though the two only have a 16mb cache.
Speeds don't matter in reference to how many channels it runs on. Only the number of sticks matter, what slots you put them in, and sticks have to be the same size and capable of the same speeds.

So, putting 2 matched 1333Mhz DDR3 sticks in the proper slots will yield dual channel.

As far as the heatsinks, do you really want a 100cfm fan wailing away in your case to get the better performance from the TRUE?
 

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Speeds don't matter in reference to how many channels it runs on. Only the number of sticks matter, what slots you put them in, and sticks have to be the same size and capable of the same speeds.

So, putting 2 matched 1333Mhz DDR3 sticks in the proper slots will yield dual channel.

As far as the heatsinks, do you really want a 100cfm fan wailing away in your case to get the better performance from the TRUE?

Got it. I'm not sure if you saw the chart I linked though, if you go to the link I provided and scroll down about a page its right there... it says that the FSB limits how many channels DDRX can run on. Is this just incorrect?

I'm getting a Scythe to cool it, so hopefully it won't be too loud.
 

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Got it. I'm not sure if you saw the chart I linked though, if you go to the link I provided and scroll down about a page its right there... it says that the FSB limits how many channels DDRX can run on. Is this just incorrect?

I'm getting a Scythe to cool it, so hopefully it won't be too loud.
Yeah, it's just wrong, or we are both misunderstanding that article (tho, admittedly, I just skimmed. lol). I have no idea where they get that. Current boards use fsb:ram ratios to achieve certain speeds. DDR3 boards have higher ratios available to them, to allow higher ram speeds at the same fsb speeds. FSB speed has absolutely nothing to do with how many channels ram runs with, however. There are a few DDR3 owners in here that can confirm this.
 

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that chart is abouth how mutch bandwith ddr got on fsb
as it said ddr3 doest get full bandwith that fsb gives
 
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