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Current Cards Comparable to OC'd 8800 GTX?

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  1. Jeffredo

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    I've always tried to keep a general idea of what my trusty old 8800 GTX compares to when a new crop of cards is released. I have it OC'd to 621/1455/1900 (vs. stock 575/1350/1800) and am still using XP on a 1680x1050 monitor. Any ideas?

    When I read a review of a new card I'd like to find something in it that I can compare my old card to. At those speeds would it be about like a stock HD 4850 (or am I selling the 8800 GTX short?)? That one still seems to be used a lot in comparisons with new cards. I'm still playing a lot of DX9 RPGs and MMOs, but I'd like to get an idea as to when it would no longer make sense to keep using the old card. With an X4 955 @ 3.4Ghz most games are pretty smooth, but I'd hate to think I'm holding my CPU back too much from what its capable of with "Old Faithful".
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    well speeds haven't changed a ton over the last few years. just like with processors. only with gpus there is more of a focus on features rather than duplicating cores. although both cpus and gpus do focus on both.

    what i'm saying is, as far as speed you are still good. if you don't play new games or anything you will be good for years as far as that goes.

    but for gaming you are missing a ton of features and power that comes from retooling the architecture, more so than speeding up the clocks.

    that doesn't mean there aren't a few extreme examples of super high clocked gpus, but as far as the norm and what makes a difference, it's features (Pixel shader version, directx version, stream processors, etc)
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    I would say that a 8800GT is fairly close in performance to a 8800GTX, and it takes two 8800GTs to match a GTX260 which is almost equal to a 4870
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    Wow man! U have a very powerful cpu when it comes to games. I think better buy a new card, but with that processor 5850 would be the best choice. Anyway it is only my opinion...
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    Yeah, I re-built my PC last summer after an accident with a glass of water on my desk fried the old one's mobo. :laugh: I kept using the 8800 GTX just because I paid so damn much for it in early 2007. Probably is time to move on to an HD 5850 (or whatever comparable Nvidia comes out with this spring).
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    8800GT is a good kick behind the 8800GTX the 8800GTX with an oc keeps up with the 9800GTX in most games. he is correct saying the 4850 is better performance wise however its not enough of an upgrade to warrant the cost to get any real performance boost out of the 8800GTX you would need at least a 4870 or 5850.
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    Your 8800GTX is around the speed of a GTS250.
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    If your games run smooth there's no point for upgrading (unless you're an upgrade/benchmarking freak like me [​IMG])

    I have an 8800GT on my desktop, which is slightly less than the 8800 GTX and well it struggles with AA in games like Fallout3... it depends on which types of games you're running, whether you like the eye-candy available, and whether you got a good budget to afford a not-so-indispensable upgrade ;)
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    the 8800GT is at least 10FPS behind the 8800GTX in every game how is it close? the 8800GT is close to the 8800GTS than the 8800GTX in performance.
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    Basically, the 8800GTX put out numbers very close to the 9800GTX when both are at stock.

    [​IMG]

    I think with your overclocks, the 8800GTX should be very close to the GTS250 or HD5750 in overall performance at 1680x1050.
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    Wasnt the 9800gtx just a rebadged 8800gt or am I mistaken ? (I might be so dont bash, its a legit question)
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    9800GTX is a rebadging of the G92 based 8800GTS ie the GTS 512/1024mb the 8800GT is a cut down version of G92
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    Comparing the 8800GTX to new cards is complex, as its performance will vary depending on resolution, AA, AF, and of course the particular game. You also have to consider what new shader models, DX versions, etc. mean to you and how to factor that in, if at all. I realize this may not be quite what you were looking for, but comparing video cards is not easy even within the same generations. I will say that those G92 cores can still be deadly in SLI today, even against the current crop of cards.

    To get a good feel for the performance comparison, you have to look at a lot of different benchmarks, or just benchmarks that are relevant to you (games you play at the resolutions you play). Tom's Hardware Sum of All FPS Benchmarks can be useful overall, however.
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    I'm still good on FO3 on a 22 inch monitor. I can keep a smooth frame rate with 4X AA and 8X AF, almost every other setting maxed. I suppose I could get a good deal more smoothness out of a new gen card (like the HD 5850), but again, I paid so much for that old 8800 GTX I'm trying my best to "get the good out of it" before moving on. I'll never pay $550 for a video card again! (and that doesn't figure in the $45 for an Arctic Cooling Accelero I hung on it).
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    yeah, you never want to go to the very top of the line. stay 1-3 models behind and get plenty of performance, a great price - and most issues have already been worked out by then :)
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    My advice now would be to hang on to it a bit more. There's still a lot of potential in that card, and you're running XP so it isn't like you got an OS supporting dx10 or 11 and a card which doesn't.
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    I hate that word rebadge, it makes it sound like they were the exact same card, when they are far from it...
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    the GTS 250 is a rebadge of the 9800GTX but you are correct the 8800GTS G92 lacks the extra power circuitry the the 9800GTX had allowing it to work in hybrid SLi and all that fun stuff hence the extra 3" on the card and diff phase setup. however on te back side of that i had a 8800GTS 512mb that smoked and 9800GTX/+ on its stock cooler with overclocking :D
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    GTS250 is a rebadge of the 9800GTX+, but most of the 9800GTX+ don't have the shortened version of the PCB that the GTS has though, some do, some don't . . . .

    8800GTX is probably comparable now to the HD4850 and 9800GTX(not the +) but when your using cuda apps on it it will get blown away by the 9800GTX.
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    8800GTS 512=Weaker PCB, Dual-SLi only, 65nm G92
    9800GTX=Stonger PCB, better overclocking in general, Tri-SLi, 65nm G92
    9800GTX+=Stronger PCB, 55nm G92b, much better overclocking in general, Tri-SLi
    GTS250=Weaker PCB, 55nm G92b, still better clocking than the 8800GTS, Tri-SLi

    No rebadges there...

    And the 8800GTS tended to match the stock 9800GTX in core/shader clocks, but the 9800GTX tended to still out overclock the 8800GTS in core/shader clocks. Also, the 8800GTS tended to fall flat on its face in the memory clock front, generally not even matching 9800GTX stock clocks.
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    this was easy clocks on it peak was 840core/1140mem/1960shader now i know this little zotac was an oddball card but still if there was one of them there have to be more out there
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    There are some golden 8800GTS cards out there, but the general rule is that they tended to not be capable of stock 9800GTX clocks, particularly the memory.
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  23. cdawall where the hell are my stars

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    wont argue that at all i loved my card then my water cooling threw up on it and they gave me a 9800GT eco in return which was perfect cause it went to my bro's low power gaming rig
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    I absolutely loved my 8800GTS, but it was worth the free step-up to the 9800GTX.:laugh:
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    I wouldn't be in a hurry to upgrade from that 8800 GTX, especially with that overclock. It seems to be running at Ultra speeds, perhaps?

    Let me tell you a little story. In August 08 I bought myself a 4870 512MB. It's physical styling was really nice, it was very fast and ran my games well, just a few little graphical glitches here and there like you tend to see on a PC. I play FO3 too.

    A couple of months later I got a B-grade XFX 8800 GTX for little money, just to play with it. Shortly after I eBayed the 4870. Why? Because despite the general framerate improvement with the 4870 in reviews and in my informal testing, the slower and older GTX generally played my games better. Yes, I'm not bullshitting you.

    Here's what I noticed:

    • Those little graphical glitches were less or eliminated, especially in FO3. The rotating animation when starting a level hitched less, for example. Small thing, but it matters
    • Framerate not as much lower as the benchies would suggest
    • Framerate actually significantly higher in some cases on different games
    • 3D Vision & PhysX support. No equivalents on ATI to compete with
    • Much better driver control panel design and more extensive 3D settings options
    • Quieter, even when under heavy load. Even setting the fan to 100% doesn't sound too bad, unlike the 4870's fan which was a leafblower at 100%. Quietness is very important to me

    I get the impression that the game developer relations with nvidia really pays off.

    I'm currently using a GTX 285 and as expected, find it to be a bigger and badder 8800 GTX in every respect. :rockout: I still have that 8800 GTX and have since bought a brand new 8800 Ultra with that fancy raised cooler on eBay for cheap, just to own one. :D

    My next card is going to be an nvidia one given my experiences. And this is coming from someone who used ATI over nvidia since 2003 and really digs ATI's monthly driver updates.
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