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Delidding Ivy without Razor

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  1. MxPhenom 216

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    Last night I found a thread at OCN on how to Delid a Ivy Bridge chip without using the razor. The razor seemed to cause issues for some people. This new way that is explained below is a much quicker and carries a much smaller possibility of damaging the chip. Just thought id share.

    If Haswell uses the TIM like Ivy I will delid using this method.

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    And unfortunately the guy did have to make the video of him half naked. No shirt #YOLO :laugh:
     
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    With a hammer? LOL OMG. This is a terrible idead for 99.9% of people in the first place but to add a hammer to the process is LOLosaurus.
     
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    I don't see why its a terrible idea at all. Most people who would even consider delidding are generally moderately competent enthusiasts and as long as the chip is firmly secured and you don't act like a complete idiot with the hammer it certainly seems to be a much better idea than a RAZOR of all things.
     
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    Its a much easier and safer process. the guy in the video said in the thread at OCN you don't have to worry about anything flying away when it comes undone because you can feel it right away so you can anticipate it and not do such a big hit with your hammer. Im almost tempted to find a chip to do it just for the hell of it. Nothing like taking a hammer to a computer part :laugh:
     
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    Disagree. But to each their own. :toast:
     
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    Well obviously either process is going to go downhill very quickly is you are a retard. I would think twice about delidding a chip with a razor, but with the Vice and Hammer with a piece of wood, id do it right away.
     
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    Good old physics at work.
     
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    I would want to do this with two people, one person holding onto the chip to make sure it doesn't go anywhere.
     
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    You could place a towel or something similar on top to make sure it doesn't move very far. bracing the chip so it doesn't go flying should be pretty simple.
     
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    Did it this way 2 weeks ago. Its the best way ever. It doesn't really fly anywhere. Put tape on the edge of the circuit board so you don't damage the edge. i've delidded 3 processors (2 old celerons and a i5) this way.
     
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    I thought i read a post saying someone had tried this method and now temps are horribad?

    IMHO I wouldn't put a hammer near a CPU, not if i intended to keep it anyways... Maybe i have broken too many things in my lifetime :confused:
     
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    Yes that was me. Temps are now excellent, I changed thermal pastes. I tried every application technique imaginable but only CL Ultra spread evenly did it for me.

    25*C idle 50*C load 4.0ghz at 1.128v (-.090v offset).

    I wouldn't do the razor method. I did 2 celerons with razor and 2 with hammer. The hammer worked way better. It also worked way better with my i5. Razor took a half hour each, hammer was 1 minute. Hammer was clean, razor I had nicks on the pcb of one of the chips. I also had to hammer the razor into one of the chips because it wouldn't even cut into it. This was with both a double edged shaving razor and a utility razor.


    I also sanded/lapped my i5's bottom edge to make sure it would be contacting the die before the pcb and remove any gap from any left over black glue.
     
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    This is so dumb. most people will hammer away, and it will suddenly give way and the chip will hit the IHS and boom.

    this is tricky as, not many geeks will have vices, two you need to be really good with a hammer. hard but gentle, plus you will need to hold the wooden block and apply force away from the chip so that your hand absorbs some of the impact.

    this is too risky. if people fail with a simple razor, they will massively fail with this.
     
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    I don't know man, more people at OCN are having success with this method then the razor.
     
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    QFT. :toast:

    Its a finesse type of activity. To bring a hammer in the game just doesnt make sense to me.
     
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    Sorry, man, it had to be said. Will I do this to my own 3770K?

    Yes, once done reviewing IVB parts, for sure. My 3570k is already topless.
     
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    yep, I want to do it and im not even that great with a hammer.
     
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    Pot calling the kettle black here I think. Why wont you do it now? I can answer that... because its a risk and you cant/dont want to afford replacing it. Its an even higher risk, IMO to use a hammer vs the razor blade.

    The gains are so minimal as far as clockspeeds go its just not worth the risk, to me, to do this...Id rather spend $250 on custom water and reach 5GHz than to risk killing my chip with either method. Either way, unless your morals arent in line, you will have to pay for a new chip if you bork it.
     
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    Even water cooling on Ivy Bridge doesn't help that much. My friend did it and went from 90c to 80c at 5.0GHZ. Not that big of a jump for $250. While you delid the chip the hammer way or razor and temps drop 20+ on air and water.
     
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    To what end though? 80C temps are fine... so is 90C for that matter! Also the temperature difference varies significantly from user to user. Some get a lot less... 20C is about the max I have seen and is certainly not an average.

    Here is my thinking on this subject in general...:

    The only time you should delid - you are not close to being voltage limited but are temperature limited. I have an H100 on a 3770K that I can run at 5GHz no problems (93C stress testing in 21C ambient HAF XB).
     
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    Actually, better cooling might affect power consumption, or something, that's my first concern.


    Secondly, it's harder to swap CPU from board to board every couple of days. As soon as AMD releases a working WHQL driver, I will be doing a very large re-bench. Once that's done, the chip loses it's lid.

    I'll be dong it not to get higher clocks(my chip does 5 GHz with 1.35V), but to get lower temps, and lower fan speeds. That's all. My chip is a very hot, early chip that hits throttle @ 1.25V on air.


    And when or if it dies, I will try sending it to Intel and see what they say about how they deal with this with the Tuning Plan. They might say no, but I want to find out, and sending in a working chip is silly. To me, with care, it is far less likely you'd do any damage with this method rather than using a razor. I've done that to 100's of AMD CPUs in the past, so that's no big deal, but you do need to be careful and take your time. Getting the top off of my 3570k took me 45 minutes.

    I'll do a video when I take the top off the 3770k, no problem.


    And when I do, it'll go into my Maximus V Extreme, and stay there. Trying to do board testing with a de-lidded chip is just making for more work than is necessary.
     
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    Last I read on that, Physical damage to the CPU isnt covered. If they KNOW you delidded it, I would doubt that they would RMA it.
     
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    I know, but...this is kind of standard fare for OC and chips with TIM under IHS.. OC'ers have been doing it for years.

    In the past it was because temps were really relative to clocks, but as you've said, that's not really the case with these chips.


    Anyway, I just want to see how Intel responds. I hope positively, but you could be right...and wit ha dead chip, the only loss is the shipping charges. That's worth finding that out.


    However I doubt I'll have any issues. The chip would have popped already if it didn't like the voltages I've been giving it.;)
     

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