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  1. Kreij

    Kreij Senior Monkey Moderator Staff Member

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    There a few options when you get to inferno level.
    1) You can use the AH. This is the quickest way to get better gear.
    2) You can farm for gear. This will take a long time since the drops are random and the player is usually looking for something specific.
    3) You can trade gear with other people. This works fine if both players have something the other wants.

    Inferno is supposed to be stupidly difficult. Bllizzard even said that it would take months of farming to get through it.
    If they made inferno easier with better loot drops, the people who like the crazy challenge would complain too.

    I think what you should maybe try, TMM, is restarting the game with a hardcore character. I haven't played a HC character in D3 yet, but it's a great challenge and you have to rethink the way you go about everything (like not picking up health globes when you are full health because you may need them later).
    Someone supposedly got through inferno with an HC character and not using the AH, so it would appear to be possible. How hard it is to do is a whole 'nother question.
     
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    Oh you had to spend 6 hours in the auction house to get good gear in the old Diablos? Or could you play the game and get good drops?
     
  3. Kreij

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    You had to farm like crazy in D2 as you got a lot of crap gear in that too ... or you could go to 3rd party sites to buy/trade gear.
    People weren't really happy with vanilla D2 until they released Lord of Destruction and added stuff (more content, items, etc.)
    I agree with Kurgan, it's typical Diablo.

    You could get D1 and 2 and see what you think. I think the bundle is pretty cheap.

    I'm also not sure why you would spend 6 hours in the AH. I just drop in and sell and collect the gold. Takes about 1 minute.
    If you are buying you can get good stuff for 20-30K and once you get comfortable with the search it doesn't take long either.
     
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    Now, here is my thing... they say a person has done hc inferno without the AH... But, that doesn't mean he didn't have someone else do the stuff for him.... Am I right?
     
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    Nothing I have sells. Anything worth buying costs millions. Diablo 1 and 2 you could farm and find stuff. All the good stuff is in Inferno in Diablo 3 yet no one lasts in unless they use the AH which takes tons of time to gain enough gold to buy anything. Even some of the guys on here who farm like crazy spend tons of time in the AH. Saying this is like Diablo 1 or 2 is BS at this point. There was no auction house counted on in the play mechanics from Blizzard in those games. Drops were frequent enough to justify farming. Drops are now regulated to AH supply. Blizzard has confirmed this. This IS NOT LIKE Diablo 1 and 2. This game has an economy system designed for Blizzard to shave 15% off the top of every sale. Diablo 1 and 2 did not have this.

    I don't mind farming when I can farm and FIND decent drops. When I am forced to use a system that's designed to cost me real money or hours of time not playing the game and playing "lets make a deal" its loses its fun. This game isn't ANYTHING like Diablo 1 or 2. This game has a very precise economy system. If you cant see what they are doing you are VERY naive.
     
  6. Kreij

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    This is from the "ask anything" blog when asked about the AH being tied to drop rates...

    (shrug)

    There is also interesting infromation on getting better items through drop and that the better your gear, the longer (statistically) it will take to get improvements.

    http://us.battle.net/d3/en/blog/6317360
     
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    Im looking for the quote right now but heres a good tid bit to get my point across.

    http://diablo.incgamers.com/blog/comments/diablo-3-auction-house-required-for-success/

    Its naive to think they could have such an economy without having control over the supply.
     
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    6+ hours really ?, i know my wife has possibly had 6 hours total and even then be really surprised if it was that many hours.. I know she spent more time researching in the bliz forums on what she needs though.

    Oh the more she can play it with just the mouse the happier she is lol.

    And i am sure at least some TPU members would help you too.
     
  9. Kreij

    Kreij Senior Monkey Moderator Staff Member

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    Maybe I'm looking at it the wrong way, but there are a few things I'd like to comment on.

    Blizzard makes nothing from the GAH, it's purely an expense for them and a convenience for the players. The only use it has for Blizz is to remove some of the in-game gold from the economy (their cut). It's really no different than buying something from an in-game vendor which does the same thing.

    Blizzard does make money from the RMAH, but if they were only interested in the cash why would they cap the auction amounts? Additionally, if super great stuff dropped like rain they would probably make more money on the RMAH. It would drive prices down, but sales would go up and with it revenue. Similar to when Steam has sales and why Walmart makes billions selling cheap crap.

    As is stated in the link you posted, TMM, getting top level gear in D2 was harder than in D3. People played for years and never saw some of the best stuff drop. They were forced to get it on trading and sale sites. Now they can find it in the auction house. People have gotten better gear in a shorter time in D3 than they did in D2. Yet they all rave about D2. :confused:

    What fun would inferno level be if great gear was common and you could waltz through it. It's supposed to be crazy hard and the gear to manage it extremely rare. Yes it can be quite frustrating, but if it was not much harder than hell level everyone would quit because they were done with the game and there was nothing to challenge them anymore.

    I think they will continue to tweak things as time goes on, though.
    You do have to remember that the game is still quite new.
     
  10. 1Kurgan1

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    I haven't spent much time in there at all, I usually know what I'm looking for. And I've got a few drops I currently still use.

    This is all coming from a guy who never played D1 or D2. It took tons of farming in D1 or D2 to get great drops (don't think D3 is alone here). There wasn't an AH, but many of the great drops people never even seen, if you wanted them you would have to join trading games, it was clunky, and thats why the AH is here. I played a good amount of D2 and never seen anything amazing ever. Saying this isn't like D1 or D2 without ever having either is the only thing thats BS at this point :laugh: Seriously, pick up D2, it's cheap, play it, and let us know when you get something amazing (drops were not even close to constant enough for you to push right throug Hell, you would have to farm to be able to do that, the article you linked supported that like Kreij said). Also don't be mad that when you get to Hell difficulty things are just flat out immune to certain types of attacks. Frost Sorceress and run into Frost Immune (not resist but immune) thats good game. It's the max difficulty in a game, to be mad at it being difficult doesn't make sense, theres 3 other difficulties you can go have fun in and walk through without a problem.

    There is no pvp in this game, so you don't need to out gear others. You just need to have the gear to do the content, and you definitely don't need to go to the RMAH for that. I haven't spent a dime on this game and I got 2 characters in Act 3 Inferno. And the most expensive item I have purchased for either character is 600k, so not the millions you speak of (and we both play Barb, and I'm doing great with those non-million items). Since oyu never played Diablo before saying this game has a precise economy and is nothing like the others, you must have never heard of SOJ's. D2's economy was weight on SOJ value (that was an item in game), it made it's own currency. You keep saying it's naive to think this is like the other games, but it's naive of you to judge D3 compared to them when just 2 months ago you were completely clueless on what Diablo even was, seriously.
     
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    Yet. :D

    Looking forward to seeing what they do with it. It should be great if they take the time to do it right.

    BTW : Diablo Battle Chest (D1, D2 and LoD) is $20 on Amazon.
    The playstation version of D1 is going for something like $400+ lol
     
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    Diablo 1 and 2 dont have an auction house. You honestly belive that was just "tacted on" after the fact? Please Kurgan Blizzard isnt a billion dollar company by mistake. The Auction house is part of the game. Diablo 1 and two allowed you to progress through the game without an auction house by just grinding. You bought 600k weapons by your own admission. Play the game without the auction house and beat inferno. I played 70 hours without a decent drop. NOT A SINGLE ONE. So your telling me I would have to play 100+ hours in Diablo 2 to even make it through the first act on the second level of difficulty? Because I had to hit the auction house to beat Hell. Please. This is very basic stuff man. I dont need to play D1 or D2 to know this game has a different mechanic in mind. If it didnt then there would be no Auction house at all and I could grind through the game without having to use the auction house. I know you love this game and you have rose tinted glasses but I call it like it is.

    When PvP hits the game its gonna be a circle jerk.
     
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    To me... I think the game would of been better without the AH.. But, they did know it was going to be there. I think due to the effects that the testers were able to go thru inferno without AH, they upped the difficulty so the end user needed to use the AH.. In return get to the person that doesn't care about what they spend.. They've seen threw wow the amount of people that will go and do "cash for gold" and see the effects of Real Cash AH to be a thing they could use..

    Me, I never have time to play but a few hours here and there.. So, I could care less.. If I don't beat a game... I could care less... When I was young it was great to beat it... Now, no time, so why should I care?


    IMHO of it all..
     
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    I got dc'ed and I can't log in
     
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    Kreij Senior Monkey Moderator Staff Member

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    Same here. It just sits at "authenticating credentials".
     
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    Well I am at the last waypoint before taking on Diablo in Inferno. Not sure I want to take him out because then I won't have anything to look forward to except loot grinding and beating him faster.

    Currently sitting at 50M in gold. Highest I have been was 98M.

    In total I could have beat the game with probably 5M worth of gear. Currently my gear is probably pushing 100M. No reason for this except to loot faster and make more gold/cash.

    For people having a hard time making cash. Break down and buy some good loot gear. You can pretty much spec your guy out for 200%+ GF, this will not cost you more then 1-2Million. Once you are sitting at that level just running through act I will net you 500K+Items.

    My loot gear is 315% GF with 5NV. I am seeing gold drops over 3K. I invested about 2 million total and can easily run act i/ii with it.
     
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    can I have a 1M gold? lol jk.

    how did you earn that amount of gold?? just farming and farming?
     
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    Farming helps a lot. Think my profile says something like 15M gold picked up. The rest was from AH Tycoon.

    Things are still selling on the AH. From looting last night I made 8M this morning.
     
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    Wow :banghead: any tips on what to buy and sell lol, some stats to look for?, etc

    Server is up again, I just logged in. but AH is still down.. damn
     
  20. Kreij

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    Glad someone's stuff is selling. I've had no responses no matter how I price items in a couple of days.
     
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    Well easiest way is to read forums and see what builds people are using. It's good to know all classes.

    Right now -
    Crit Hit
    Crit Damage
    All RES
    LoH
    IAS

    are the big sellers. So anything with a good prime stat, okay secondary, and a combo of the above are pretty much 3M+ items with good armor.

    Sold a helm a few days ago. Socket, 712 Armor, 70 Str, 68 All res, 4% Crit for 22M. It was bought out almost instantly, within 1 hr, and reposted for 48M, which sold. Kicking myself for that.

    IDk, maybe I am just getting lucky...but I do spend time gauging others offers and where mine will be placed, and make it an attractive price for the buyer, yet still turn a great profit.

    My entire point to all this is, with some cheap loot gear you can easily make 5M-10M in a fairly short time, and that is enough to purchase items that will get deep into inferno, maybe even beat the game. Everything else is just gravy.
     
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    I think I may still be selling way to low. :/
    I've got items with 3 stats over 100 and LoH in the 300 range, and all res and they're not moving at all.
    The only thing I can figure is people aren't seeing them in the sub-1 million range.
     
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    I did this few weeks ago, but not on the Millions scale. just bought some items for 50k and sold for 200k, bought some item for 200k. sold for 500k, etc.

    never tried it with items worth millions, cause im not sure if its gonna sell or what.
     
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    Under pricing can be just as bad as over pricing.

    Item level makes a big difference as well in pricing. I hardly even post 59th lvl items and honestly anything below that, unless godly, gets salvaged or goes to vendor. Because 50K-100K isn't worth one of the 10 sales I am allowed.

    If you have some great items you would like a price check on let me know.
     
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    Whats the worse that can happen.... It doesn't sell. Adjust, and repost.
     

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