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"Clean"? Sounds like "toning" your muscles. :banghead:
If you want to "clean" your system you can just shove a water tube up your bum and flush it all out.. Hey look i just cured..

Guess you didn't read my reply to that - either that or you weren't willing to give the man the benefit of the doubt by thinking it might be a legit observation.
 

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Right. I think the key to the article is the part where they talk about the fat content of the pancreas dropping from 8% to 6% iirc.

Guess you didn't read my reply to that - either that or you weren't willing to give the man the benefit of the doubt by thinking it might be a legit observation.

I'm not a MD and "fat content in of the pancreas" doesn't mean anything to me.
It also says it "may" and since I'm not an MD, I will not go around and assume anything.
Like i mentioned before, people have been talking cures for close to 40 years.
Unless someone comes forwards and shows us "this is how it is, this is how you can reproduce the results" I'm really not that interested.

"Seeing a correlation" "We think" etc, means nothing to me. It very well could be legit, but history has taught me to read between the lines. Obviously if it's true - great. But I'm not the kind of guy who assumes things, I want the facts.
 
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I'm not a MD and "fat content in of the pancreas" doesn't mean anything to me.
It also says it "may" and since I'm not an MD, I will not go around and assume anything.
Like i mentioned before, people have been talking cures for close to 40 years.
Unless someone comes forwards and shows us "this is how it is, this is how you can reproduce the results" I'm really not that interested.

"Seeing a correlation" "We think" etc, means nothing to me. It very well could be legit, but history has taught me to read between the lines. Obviously if it's true - great. But I'm not the kind of guy who assumes things, I want the facts.

No one was stating what the mechanism was with any certainty - not even the article, so I have no idea what you're bitching about. My point was that you jumped all over someone for a piece of valid speculation. That would be "valid" in the sense of being broadly supported by the article. I don't know what you're talking about, but it certainly isn't this.
 
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"Clean"? Sounds like "toning" your muscles. :banghead:
If you want to "clean" your system you can just shove a water tube up your bum and flush it all out.. Hey look i just cured..

Cleaning your body means that you basically consume more than you intake into your body.
This usually means that body starts to consume reserves stored in various organs, including sugar and fat. Decreasing these two usually helps body to operate better and thus "clean" your body in general. It's not like taking a shower or anythign like that.
It's a regular Joe's expression for more technical chemical and physical processes going on in our bodies.
 
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I think it's worth noting that type I and II don't have much in common. Type I is due to an inability to produce insulin. Beta cells (???) that make it are killed off by the immune system iirc.

Type II is more properly called metabolic syndrome. T2's usually still make at least some insulin but their cells are resistant to it and therefore they require more in order to pull glucose out of the blood.

Also, Type 2's often don't require anything more than oral medication and maybe some sort of basal insulin (basically, a slow-release form of the drug).

This study was only relevant to Type 2.

Kind of right...

the receptors that respond to insulin are lost or do not function properly. I guess that using this extreme diet causes the body to produce more of these receptors, even if they aren't function at 100% capacity 30% is better than 10%. Thus the effects are seen as each cell have many more insulin receptors that the can be acted on.

EDIT: Add a quick wiki for those that want to know more
 
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Kind of right...

the receptors that respond to insulin are lost or do not function properly. I guess that using this extreme diet causes the body to produce more of these receptors, even if they aren't function at 100% capacity 30% is better than 10%. Thus the effects are seen as each cell have many more insulin receptors that the can be acted on.
Thanks. I always forget that the number of receptors a cell expresses for a particular ligand (substrate???) can vary by significant percentages over a period of weeks or months - if you have the right conditions.

In fact I was talking with my pharmacist about this just a couple weeks ago. This is sort of off topic, but we also talked about the next wave in drug discovery - or what could be the next anyway - allosteric drugs. Things that don't bind to the active site of a receptor but to part of the complex that makes up a receptor or a part of the membrane that affects the receptor's activity. Since they leave the active site open, they can tune the sensitivity up or down as opposed to simply turning receptors on or off - or something like that. :eek:
 
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Thanks. I always forget that the number of receptors a cell expresses for a particular ligand (substrate???) can vary by significant percentages over a period of weeks or months - if you have the right conditions.

In fact I was talking with my pharmacist about this just a couple weeks ago. This is sort of off topic, but we also talked about the next wave in drug discovery - or what could be the next anyway - allosteric drugs. Things that don't bind to the active site of a receptor but to part of the complex that makes up a receptor or a part of the membrane that affects the receptor's activity. Since they leave the active site open, they can tune the sensitivity up or down as opposed to simply turning receptors on or off - or something like that. :eek:

Yea, as opposed to an agonist (activating the receptor) or an antagonist (switches it off). Allosterics bind to a site that isn't the active site (where the ligand sits) and so you don't get that on/off effect. You get a higher affinity effect. Also you can make these bind irreversibly so you will always have that higher affinity for the receptors lifetime instead of just it being broken down over a few hours.

Also added a wiki link about receptors in previous post if you want to know more.
 
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I know I felt like crap, headaches and weak most of the time, when I had gallstones/pacreatitis and was limited to 10 grams of fat per day. I could only imagine what these people felt like.
 
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Key is these people were "probably" given a strict diet containing all the necessary fats/amino acids. Just without the calories.

I guess kinda like Weight Watchers NASA food.
 

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No one was stating what the mechanism was with any certainty - not even the article, so I have no idea what you're bitching about. My point was that you jumped all over someone for a piece of valid speculation. That would be "valid" in the sense of being broadly supported by the article. I don't know what you're talking about, but it certainly isn't this.

Hold your horses mister. Bitching? I haven't even read the article for the record.
Either you are over sensitive, or I'm just cold hearted. What did I write to make you so upset?

I'm not buying into these kind of articles since they "have found links" and "see a correlation" and all those standard statements.. But until they can come with clear evidence, it's not that interesting. That's like saying god is real even though there is no evidence for one -- physical or otherwise.
 
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Hold your horses mister. Bitching? I haven't even read the article for the record.
Either you are over sensitive, or I'm just cold hearted. What did I write to make you so upset?

I'm not buying into these kind of articles since they "have found links" and "see a correlation" and all those standard statements.. But until they can come with clear evidence, it's not that interesting. That's like saying god is real even though there is no evidence for one -- physical or otherwise.
I didn't think I was upset but whatever. You weren't responding to anything I had said. I was pointing that out.

What you do or don't find interesting is irrelevant and what might or might not be considered interesting was never the discussion. The evidence in the article is quite dramatic, but since you haven't read it, I can understand why you are completely nonplussed.
 

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My bad then, people have a habit to misinterpret me. Guess it was me this time :)
The reason i didn't read it was because 9/10 these articles are to inconclusive for me to personally find them interesting. I wasn't necessarily giving a response or anything, just my thoughts.
 
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Yeah.. I wonder why you need to loose weight.. :roll:
Dude seriously, WSM competitors eat that much.. If you cut those 16k in half.. Maybe.
And what's this talk about BMR not being accurate? Did our organs all of a sudden stop using as much energy as they used to?

This is the first factual statement I've seen so far. And it's not really beyond the realm of common sense ;)



This for me is fat, I need to lose 20Lbs before we go somewhere tropical this winter.



225Lbs 5' 10.7" The smallest I ever was when ripped was 180Lbs and had no fat and wore size 29. I was curling hundreds of pounds. I still can but no as many reps. I have gotten soft. But that is why I'm cutting back carbs and eating more salads and back on the whey and working out harder. I can burn 1000+ calories per workout session besides what I burn in a day.


BTW, I have done alot of research on bio-availability of different nutrients, best practices in gaining mass and keeping healthy as I have a family history of gout, and I have already had a few cases due to high protein intake. I'm not the average gym fag who goes once a week and buys whatever the new fad is in dieting. I have spent time understanding metabolic pathways and the effects of certain intake combinations on the human body.

If you truly have Diabetus, try a high protein low carb diet with a focus on 5-7 daily servings of complex carbs totaling no more than 15% of your total caloric intake. Drink a caffeinated beverage at least 45 minutes before eating your carbs.
 
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Lookin' good Steevo. A few extra pounds make you look healthy. But i understand wanting to get a little chiseled if not all-out ripped. :toast:
 
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What do you mean "if you truly have", I wish i didn't.
 
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