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windows uses something called virtual memory.. its a mix of real ram and fake hardrive ram.. the fake bit used to be called its "swopfile"..

its a left over from the past when windows used to run on 32 meg machines.. the idea is nobody ever had enough real ram.. now most people do have enough real ram..

the rule is u need enough real ram for what u do.. take my word for it.. if u havnt enough real ram it soon becomes pretty obvious..

windows will only use its fake hardrive ram when it runs out of the real stuff.. when it does the machine will grind to a hardrive light flickering halt..

having more than enough real ram wont do any harm but it wont help much either.. not having enough real ram is a total disaster..

real ram is a thousand times faster than fake ram.. when windows has to resort to fake ram its noticeable.. honest.. he he he

XP is still okay with 2 gig for games.. Vista can use a bit more but it will economize with it if it has too..

having said all that i have 4 gig on XP but only cos DDR2 is super cheap at the moment.. 2 gig is still plenty..

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ps.. 2 gig is marginal for Vista ultimate with all its bells and whistles turned on.. it should be okay if they aint thow..
 

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windows uses something called virtual memory.. its a mix of real ram and fake hardrive ram.. the fake bit used to be called its "swopfile"..

its a left over from the past when windows used to run on 32 meg machines.. the idea is nobody ever had enough real ram.. now most people do have enough real ram..

the rule is u need enough real ram for what u do.. take my word for it.. if u havnt enough real ram it soon becomes pretty obvious..

windows will only use its fake hardrive ram when it runs out of the real stuff.. when it does the machine will grind to a hardrive light flickering halt..

having more than enough real ram wont do any harm but it wont help much either.. not having enough real ram is a total disaster..

real ram is a thousand times faster than fake ram.. when windows has to resort to fake ram its noticeable.. honest.. he he he

XP is still okay with 2 gig for games.. Vista can use a bit more but it will economize with it if it has too..

having said all that i have 4 gig on XP but only cos DDR2 is super cheap at the moment.. 2 gig is still plenty..

trog

ps.. 2 gig is marginal for Vista ultimate with all its bells and whistles turned on.. it should be okay if they aint thow..

Calling things fake brings quite a negative load with it, specially when you claim it's some Windows issue. Just like people saying 4Gb limit is MS's fault. Could you please tell me what the Linux swap partition does?
 

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32bit memmory controller = 4gb max inc videoram and soundram and other onboard ram shit
64bit memmory controller 128gb?
 

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How isn't it synchronous? The channels remain identical.

i did say i may have had the names mixed up - we had sync and async during the tests, not sure which way around they were.

My DFI UltraII M2 ran in dual channel with 2x1GB + 2x512MB, on all of my AMD cpus. You sure it wasn't just a bios bug or something like that?

Thats newer than the AM2 boards we tested. maybe some AM2 can do it, good info.

on mine im running vista ultimate with 2 gb of ram.

just running vista alone takes up about 50 percent of ram i going to upgrade to four gigs soon

the more ram you have, the more vista uses. It dumps it out when you game etc tho, so it doesnt affect performance. mine uses around 30%, and i have 4GB - you dont see 1GB users complaining about 90% ram usage ;)
 

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Thanks I am going to run vista and Crysis hopefully in high or very high (maybe!) quality so i'll need the extra ram
 

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Thanks I am going to run vista and Crysis hopefully in high or very high (maybe!) quality so i'll need the extra ram

You could always go with 2x1GB and 2x512MB to keep the dual channel and have more than 2GB. You would save somewhere around 30$. I don't really know how prices are in the US but I bet you can drink a lot of beer with 30$. :) Now seriously the most I've ever heard being used was 2.4 RAM while running a game in Vista plus some other stuff. So yeah I think that 3GB will do you fine...
 

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You could always go with 2x1GB and 2x512MB to keep the dual channel and have more than 2GB. You would save somewhere around 30$. I don't really know how prices are in the US but I bet you can drink a lot of beer with 30$. :) Now seriously the most I've ever heard being used was 2.4 RAM while running a game in Vista plus some other stuff. So yeah I think that 3GB will do you fine...

Company of heroes on ultra (DX9) used 2.2GB of ram for itself alone.

as i've said a few times - make sure your board works dual channel with 2x1GB and 2x512 before buying it... not all chipsets support it (although it does seem more common nowadays, than it was before)
 

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If you are using 1GB memory modules in a four slot mobo, 4GB of RAM is essential as it keeps the dust out of the other two RAM slots. :D

More RAM, faster processors, better cooling, killer OC's ... that is the essence of TPU.

No, you don't need it if you are just gaming, but if you can afford it and you have a good mobo to support it, go for it.
 
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More ram is always good. I just love how DDR2 prices are so stinkin' low these days!
 

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Exactly my post above. Totally agree with you guys here. I know I will be jumping the gun soon with another 2GB kit with matched timings so I can run 4GB Symmetric DC.
 

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I had two G of Dominator RAM. I buoght another two G of the same thing for compatibility.
Not sure if it make a huge difference, but it all works fine and I don't have to worry about stick differences when overclocking. They are all rated at the same voltage max and timings.
 

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I had two G of Dominator RAM. I buoght another two G of the same thing for compatibility.
Not sure if it make a huge difference, but it all works fine and I don't have to worry about stick differences when overclocking. They are all rated at the same voltage max and timings.

i got 4GB of generic 1110MHz ram for less than i paid for 2GB OCZ 800MHz. Yeah its got poop timings, but i have 4GB of ram that lets me do 555Mhz FSB 1:1 :)

cheap ram doesnt mean bad ram!
 
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Calling things fake brings quite a negative load with it, specially when you claim it's some Windows issue. Just like people saying 4Gb limit is MS's fault. Could you please tell me what the Linux swap partition does?

yes the word "fake" conjures up negative connotations.. i cant think of another word thow.. it is fake.. it does or did make do for lack of "real" ram..

way back when (win 95 days) i had 16 meg of system ram.. it cost me ÂŁ25 for each 4 meg stick.. ÂŁ100 for 16 meg.. its ram prices like this that made "fake" ram absolutely essential..

i moved from 16 meg to 32 meg to 64 meg to 128 meg to 256 meg.. there is a pattern here.. each time it doubles.. my last move was 2000 meg to 4000 meg..

amusing really.. he he he

i wont comment on linux cos i have never gone into it..

trog

ps.. anyways dan what the hell do u think the word "virtual" means.. he he he he
 
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yes the word "fake" conjures up negative connotations.. i cant think of another word thow.. it is fake.. it does or did make do for lack of "real" ram..

way back when (win 95 days) i had 16 meg of system ram.. it cost me ÂŁ25 for each 4 meg stick.. ÂŁ100 for 16 meg.. its ram prices like this that made "fake" ram absolutely essential..

i moved from 16 meg to 32 meg to 64 meg to 128 meg to 256 meg.. there is a pattern here.. each time it doubles.. my last move was 2000 meg to 4000 meg..

amusing really.. he he he

i wont comment on linux cos i have never gone into it..

trog

ps.. anyways dan what the hell do u think the word "virtual" means.. he he he he

The right word is "virtual memory" like you said, not commenting on my Linux question is ignoring half my point. Virtual memory isn't some Microsoft invention, all OSes use it. It is related to hardware as well. ie addressing it and the likes. Sure it might be less essential nowadays, however RAM prices weren't higher back then. As Windows 95 required only 8MB and flew on your 16MB. It's like having 4GB now, which cost the same a few months ago. Money isn't the issue.

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3. temporarily simulated or extended by computer software: a virtual disk in RAM; virtual memory on a hard disk. -- Dictionary.com, so virtual means temporary here.
 

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i got 4GB of generic 1110MHz ram for less than i paid for 2GB OCZ 800MHz. Yeah its got poop timings, but i have 4GB of ram that lets me do 555Mhz FSB 1:1 :)

cheap ram doesnt mean bad ram!

I didn't mean to imply that inexpensive RAM was bad. If I could only afford 1G of a high end RAM or 2G of a value RAM, I would definitely get the 2G value RAM.

I think that for someone who is going to OC their RAM, it is a lot easier if all the RAM is the same, and is rated at the same max volatage. That way you can push the bus and be relatively confident that all of your sticks will react in the same manner to voltage adjustments.
 
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4 gigs its the new 512 mb(98) :laugh:

:laugh: Pretty soon people will be saying, "Dude! You only got 1 Terabyte of RAM?, Windows 9 needs at least twice that!"
 
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:laugh: Pretty soon people will be saying, "Dude! You only got 1 Terabyte of RAM?, Windows 9 needs at least twice that!"

even a mouse will be old skool m8 i recon mind control will rule in the future and monitors will be a little box that projects images in 3d to what ever size you want and games will look as real as real life.

I think i watch too much star trek
 

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even a mouse will be old skool m8 i recon mind control will rule in the future and monitors will be a little box that projects images in 3d to what ever size you want and games will look as real as real life.

I think i watch too much star trek

I pray that I am able to retire before that happens. Can you imagine what it will be like to manage computer networks where the users have mind control over their machines?

Kreij : Hi User, what's the problem?
User : I was writing a sales report and accidentally thought, "Delete everything"
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I pray that I am able to retire before that happens. Can you imagine what it will be like to manage computer networks where the users have mind control over their machines?

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LMFAO!! i can see that really happening too lol or ur mum walks in and ur trying to get the word porn out of your head lmao.

"honest mum i was thinking about chess!"
 
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The right word is "virtual memory" like you said, not commenting on my Linux question is ignoring half my point. Virtual memory isn't some Microsoft invention, all OSes use it. It is related to hardware as well. ie addressing it and the likes. Sure it might be less essential nowadays, however RAM prices weren't higher back then. As Windows 95 required only 8MB and flew on your 16MB. It's like having 4GB now, which cost the same a few months ago. Money isn't the issue.

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3. temporarily simulated or extended by computer software: a virtual disk in RAM; virtual memory on a hard disk. -- Dictionary.com, so virtual means temporary here.

i dont see where u are coming from dude.. i simply explained the way windows works and why.. and i know certain words in essence meaning the same thing conjure up different meaning for some folks.. which is why euphemisms come into being..

but i love the use of language and how it is used to deceive.. in my book virtual means fake.. ie.. not real..

i use the word "fake" deliberately because even simple people know what "fake" means..

the term virtual memory means nothing to most people.. its just techno babble..

as for windows 95 flying on 16 megs of ram.. u must be joking.. hardrive light flashing and swopfiling was simply what people expected..

it was also why we had to boot into dos to play games.. 16 meg might have been top end back then but back then but so was swopfiling.. he he

lets say 95 went lot a better on 16 meg than it did on 8 meg.. but flew aint exactly the right use of language..

XP by the way when it first came out ran on the average machines 128 meg of ram.. but again the average user knew no better and swopfiling was still the norm for most..

it most certainly shouldnt be the norm now.. but perhaps in vista with 1 gig it might still be..

trog

ps.. just take into account i am trying to explain in simple terms something that can be made as complicated as u want it to.. and the amount of memory the avergage machine has is directly related to cost..
 
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2GIG is best in most cases. If you do intensive stuff with 3DMax PSP even 4 GIG is nice to have. How ever some games are not limited to for example Supreme Commander which will eat ram like never before ( Unless they changed the .exe over the last few months )..

Thinking of getting 2GIG for this system with a Opty as i am starting to need it more often.
 

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i dont see where u are coming from dude.. i simply explained the way windows works and why.. and i know certain words in essence meaning the same thing conjure up different meaning for some folks.. which is why euphemisms come into being..

but i love the use of language and how it is used to deceive.. in my book virtual means fake.. ie.. not real..

It does have a similar meaning, but the word "fake" is more closly associated with the word "conterfiet" than the word "virtual".

i use the word "fake" deliberately because even simple people know what "fake" means..

True. but it also makes people think it is some how bad. There is nothing bad about virtual memory. It is slower than physical RAM, but without it, computers that needed more space than the RAM they had availalbe would simply crash. Virtual memory prevented this from happening ant the expense of speed.

the term virtual memory means nothing to most people.. its just techno babble..

Not on TPU. Most people here are very technologically adept.


XP by the way when it first came out ran on the average machines 128 meg of ram.. but again the average user knew no better and swopfiling was still the norm for most..

Xp runs fine on 64MB of RAM if you are only surfing or reading e-mail.
It is when someone with limited RAM wanted to do something more that the swapfile became important. The term swapfile is not used as much as the term pagefile these days. Both are the same thing.

There is still a need for a pagefile. When people who use high end application and load huge amounts of data, the computer still need to be able to function without crashing. My digital camera pictures are 36MB in size (high rez tif). If I want to open several of them to do digital manipulation of the images it eats up a ton of RAM. If I exceed the physical limitations I do not want the computer to crash, so I am thankful that there is a swapfile. Even if it means reduced performance.
 
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