dx12: buying amd gpu now, to use with gtx 970 later

[buffyvpsfan]

does anyone know the details of he dx12 lately??? i read that dx12 will allow nvidia and amd gpus to work together? i currently have a gtx 970 now but want to buy an r9 390 to use with it. i justbought the acer XR341CK so i could get an amd gpu to use with it. heard alot of complaints about nvidia';s g-sync monitors being plagued with issues and RMA. any help in deciding a new gpu would be great. like to spend less than $500 if possible on an amd gpu.

has it been 100% confirmed that amd and nvidia gpus will work together in dx12?

 

[rtwjunkie]

does anyone know the details of he dx12 lately??? i read that dx12 will allow nvidia and amd gpus to work together? i currently have a gtx 970 now but want to buy an r9 390 to use with it. i justbought the acer XR341CK so i could get an amd gpu to use with it. heard alot of complaints about nvidia';s g-sync monitors being plagued with issues and RMA. any help in deciding a new gpu would be great. like to spend less than $500 if possible on an amd gpu.

has it been 100% confirmed that amd and nvidia gpus will work together in dx12?

Are you sure you don't want to wait until DX12 is active and we see what is confirmed from all the leaks and vague capabilities we've been given before you go and buy that 390 with the hope they will play nice together?

 

[buffyvpsfan]

i mean i guess i can wait. so there hasn't been offical confirmation on this dx12 compatbility yet???

 

[Pill Monster]

I wouldn't worry too much since any real DX12 support is a very long time away. You're better doing what RT suggested and waiting tio see what happens,.

Supported doesn't mean it will be available anyway, I'm not even sure if it's natively available in WDDM or if it has to be coded into the game.

Don't pay attention to what bloggers say. Last year when Nvidia claimed Maxwell had full DX12 support I knew they were lying. I even stated that in the forum,.

 

[64K]

I have read the same thing that DX12 will allow the use of a Nvidia and an AMD GPU working together to render a frame in Split Frame Rendering but until DX12 is released and a DX12 game then we will not know if it works or if it's buggy or if Nvidia/AMD drivers will play well together. I would wait until it's known before spending money on it.

 

[arbiter]

I wouldn't worry too much since any real DX12 support is a very long time away. You're better doing what RT suggested and waiting tio see what happens,.

Supported doesn't mean it will be available anyway, I'm not even sure if it's natively available in WDDM or if it has to be coded into the game.

Don't pay attention to what bloggers say. Last year when Nvidia claimed Maxwell had full DX12 support I knew they were lying. I even stated that in the forum,.

Maxwell is full Dx12 fool, they weren't Lying. Maxwell supports even 12.1 which AMD doesn't.

I have read the same thing that DX12 will allow the use of a Nvidia and an AMD GPU working together to render a frame in Split Frame Rendering but until DX12 is released and a DX12 game then we will not know if it works or if it's buggy or if Nvidia/AMD drivers will play well together. I would wait until it's known before spending money on it.

I won't even try to use 2 diff brands since sync'ing of the 2 would be an issue. Likely Nvidia won't want to support AMD hardware cause likely people that have issues will come running to them for support since they are the bigger company with more resources in support.

 

[Ruyki]

This will be supported by DX12 but it will be up to the developer to implement it. How many developers will chose to do so is uncertain. So it's too early to tell if you proposed 970 + 390 setup will have value.

 

[Pill Monster]

Maxwell is full Dx12 fool, they weren't Lying. Maxwell supports even 12.1 which AMD doesn't.

It was Kepler then one of the two. But since we're talking of fools, fool, Do you know know what full DX12 means.? It means all feature level Tiers, and 12.1 is not all feature level Tiers, it's just the minimum.

Pascal will prob support Tier3 where Maxwell won't.

Doesn't really matter anyway if the game doesn't support the options. AMD drivers still don't have command lists.

 

[Folterknecht]

We wont see wide spread DX12 support before the end of 2016 in games. Furthermore its up to developpers to choose whether to use DX12 and which features exactly.

Therefore its stupid to base your buying decisions today on what might happen in 1-2 years. And when I hear certain fanboys claiming that brand A bill be superior to brand B because of DX12 in 1-2 years and thats why you should by brand A now, I can only laugh. In two years GTX970/80 or 290(X) will only be considered midrange anyway when it comes to performance - so who gives a shit? Only drooling retards ... .

 

[arbiter]

It was Kepler then one of the two. But since we're talking of fools, fool, Do you know know what full DX12 means.? It means all feature level Tiers, and 12.1 is not all feature level Tiers, it's just the minimum.

Pascal will prob support Tier3 where Maxwell won't.

Doesn't really matter anyway if the game doesn't support the options. AMD drivers still don't have command lists.

Nvidia never claimed kepler was DX12. only thing they said was DX11 gpu's will support speed improvements of DX12 they never said full DX12.

All feature tiers? that is fanboy kinda talk that nit picks any detail possible to attack. You are only fool here to change to that now. Tier2 is STILL FULL DX12 SUPPORT. Likely hood that benefit of t3 over t2 probably never matter or be an issue.

 

[kn00tcn]

does anyone know the details of he dx12 lately??? i read that dx12 will allow nvidia and amd gpus to work together? i currently have a gtx 970 now but want to buy an r9 390 to use with it. i justbought the acer XR341CK so i could get an amd gpu to use with it. heard alot of complaints about nvidia';s g-sync monitors being plagued with issues and RMA. any help in deciding a new gpu would be great. like to spend less than $500 if possible on an amd gpu.

has it been 100% confirmed that amd and nvidia gpus will work together in dx12?

er... what about all the existing demanding games? dx12 doesnt magically turn on & work everywhere

why buy 390 when you can 290, why buy either when you can get a second 970

 

[rtwjunkie]

This will be supported by DX12 but it will be up to the developer to implement it. How many developers will chose to do so is uncertain. So it's too early to tell if you proposed 970 + 390 setup will have value.

Additionally, even if it comes true that an AMD GPU and Nvidia GPU can be paired together, it is only likely to be for DX12 games, and nothing earlier. So overall, I predict this is easily the most useless aspect of DX 12, even if it comes true.

 

[EarthDog]

I have read the same thing that DX12 will allow the use of a Nvidia and an AMD GPU working together to render a frame in Split Frame Rendering but until DX12 is released and a DX12 game then we will not know if it works or if it's buggy or if Nvidia/AMD drivers will play well together. I would wait until it's known before spending money on it.

Absofrigginlutely. There is no way in heck I would intentionally buy both cards to merge in the future. That is a stone cold recipe for disaster. THink about, AMD/AMD and NVIDIA/NVIDIA can't place nice together all the time... do you think a mix will work better??????

Wait it out, or get the same thing... or since you have a 27" monitor, that I assume is 2560x1440 or less resolution (the important part), stick with a more powerful single card and dont deal with the potential headaches of multi gpus.

 

[buffyvpsfan]

Absofrigginlutely. There is no way in heck I would intentionally buy both cards to merge in the future. That is a stone cold recipe for disaster. THink about, AMD/AMD and NVIDIA/NVIDIA can't place nice together all the time... do you think a mix will work better??????

Wait it out, or get the same thing... or since you have a 27" monitor, that I assume is 2560x1440 or less resolution (the important part), stick with a more powerful single card and dont deal with the potential headaches of multi gpus.

i said in my first post is just bought the acer XR341CK which is the new freesync monitor(3440x1440). i bought it because i read alot of negative reviews for the g-sync monitors out there with returns, RMA's and negativeity. i read alot of freesync reviews and pretty much amd freesync monitors out there had better reciecption than the green team. so I went with it and i don't regret it looks gorgeous! but i am glad i posted in here before i did anything gpuwise. i guess i'll just have to wait it out before batman arkham knight comes out again with dx12(lol at batman devs, yeah like that will happen).

 

[alwayssts]

i said in my first post is just bought the acer XR341CK which is the new freesync monitor(3440x1440). i bought it because i read alot of negative reviews for the g-sync monitors out there with returns, RMA's and negativeity. i read alot of freesync reviews and pretty much amd freesync monitors out there had better reciecption than the green team. so I went with it and i don't regret it looks gorgeous! but i am glad i posted in here before i did anything gpuwise. i guess i'll just have to wait it out before batman arkham knight comes out again with dx12(lol at batman devs, yeah like that will happen).

In that case...I would certainly at least pick up a 390 to replace the 970 at bare minimum (just to use the feature). I would think that would keep you out of the weeds (0fps) most of the time, but...it's cutting it pretty close.

If you're alright with eating (some of) the cost of the 970 (which it seems you are if you were willing to add $500 on top of your current setup) versus simply replacing it, perhaps consider a Fury (vanilla). I would think that card could at least give you a taste of what your display is capable at the top-end, even if not always sustained. Ofc there's always Fury X and crossfire of those products, but at some point you don't need it if you're willing to live with the capabilities of freesync (in this case 30-75fps), and their value proposition is going to less than a single Fury.

I would worry less about the future, and more about making the most of your display currently (within reason).

 

[arbiter]

Additionally, even if it comes true that an AMD GPU and Nvidia GPU can be paired together, it is only likely to be for DX12 games, and nothing earlier. So overall, I predict this is easily the most useless aspect of DX 12, even if it comes true.

Absofrigginlutely. There is no way in heck I would intentionally buy both cards to merge in the future. That is a stone cold recipe for disaster. THink about, AMD/AMD and NVIDIA/NVIDIA can't place nice together all the time... do you think a mix will work better??????

I expect Nvidia will block in drivers just cause they don't want to be ones having to do tech support for AMD. Having to fix stuff in their drivers to play nice with AMD. AMD will likely claim they are willing to do it but that will be PR bull as they will be thinking the same thing. AMD will play the PR roll of wanting to do it but Nvidia will one that takes the stand against it.

As much as people would attack nvidia over it, its completely reasonable for One side not wanting to have to be tech support for someone else for free. AMD sure as heck couldn't afford to do it period.

 

[alwayssts]

I expect Nvidia will block in drivers just cause they don't want to be ones having to do tech support for AMD. Having to fix stuff in their drivers to play nice with AMD. AMD will likely claim they are willing to do it but that will be PR bull as they will be thinking the same thing. AMD will play the PR roll of wanting to do it but Nvidia will one that takes the stand against it.

As much as people would attack nvidia over it, its completely reasonable for One side not wanting to have to be tech support for someone else for free. AMD sure as heck couldn't afford to do it period.

I was going to mention something to this effect, but very much take a different stance on it. I don't completely disagree with you (AMD loves to play victim), but I think there's a lot less to worry about regarding support than you think. I believe it's much more a money thing (selling more cards) than a support thing, or people could do things like use physics with a secondary nvidia card in an AMD-primary system currently. If you choose to believe otherwise, that is fine. The reality is there is decades of nvidia bullshit (that people have hacked support for with no issues) that proves otherwise. nVIDIA has even stated they see these stances as 'competitive advantages'.

Point being in which we agree:

1. Whom 'owns' most of the devs?
2. Whom has blocked all heterogeneous efforts in the past (only relenting on licensing for multi-GPU on different chipsets at their convenience)?
3. Whom would never allow this to occur....ever?

Nvidia.

If they change their stance on a major scale (or allow some kind of reasonable cross-vendor support beyond the apu doing simple tasks), I will gladly eat my hat.

 

[tabascosauz]

The Way It's Meant To Be Played...do you really think that the company behind gameworks is going to allow its technologies to be utilised by AMD GPUs?

Hybrid PhysX was indeed a thing, but it's such a hassle. Heterogeneous GPUs will be no easier. Just get another GTX 970 and wait for DX12. Performance improvements will be much more practical and interesting when it gets here.

 

[Mussels]

Even if everything works magically and DX12 allows perfect sharing between an Nvidia and AMD card, it only works in DX12 titles - so 100% of existing games will simply not benefit from this.

 

[Hawkstream]

Even if everything works magically and DX12 allows perfect sharing between an Nvidia and AMD card, it only works in DX12 titles - so 100% of existing games will simply not benefit from this.

Yup. Perfectly said.

 

[Frag_Maniac]

I really wouldn't advise setting yourself up now based on plans to use different chip vendor GPUs later just on the hopes that Dx12 will make them work well together.

It's likely that only AAA titles will use Dx12, and it's sounding like only certain types of games will be able to utilize the A+N scenario well.

You'd probably end up not being able to even use it in most games.

One could even joke and come up with a "Never settle for the way it's meant to be played" slogan, because this is truly a wait and see type thing considering how unwell AMD and Nvidia play together. The two don't really even like to talk to each other much.

I foresee one or both intentionally forcing unscrupulous game endorsement to try and throttle down the other's performance in such scenarios. You think lopsided endorsement is bad now, just think of how bad it could get if this kind of thing becomes popular, which is a big part of the reason I think it won't.