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unnecessary assuming you have decent airflow through the case, and it might interfere w/ the zalman
 

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unnecessary assuming you have decent airflow through the case, and it might interfere w/ the zalman

The heat should rise and be sucked out by the 120mm next to the big typhoon and above the GPU. That giant intake fan on the side should blow cold air in and force the rest of the hot air towards the the two other fans that suck air out. One is on the back next to the sideways PSU and the other is on the top. We'll see what the temps are. Right now my CPU (E6600@3.6GHz) doesn't get out of the 50's no matter what I do. I don't think it will affect that much, but we'll see.
 
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The zalman is ordered. What do you guys think of one of these underneath of the video card?


Wasted money if you ask me. It would be better to get a long one that has adjustable length, with that, you can turn off the VF900CU fan.

For a cooler of that size I would see a point if you purchased the AcceleroX2... but for the VF900 CU with the fan on it will compromise performance, even if it reduces ambient temps.
 

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The zalman is ordered. What do you guys think of one of these underneath of the video card?


Looks good to me mate. I've got that setup right now in one of my HTPC setups, and it works very well. You may have to leave 1 or 2 additional slots space between the video card and the extractor.
 

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again tkp, you need to understand fulid dymanics and cooling better then you do, even without the fan that wouldnt be a good idea, it SUCKS air out of the case, this means there would be very little airflow over ram and vrms.

i know your just dead set that the x2 is the only cooler to choose, but you can let it go now,hes choosen to order the vf900

and like i said, he could get a dual fan blower that would push more air over the WHOLE CARD as well as pushing it all UP to the top of the case where the exausts are, that would be my move.

also those little vent fans are good if your system has a open slot ABOVE the videocard, can be used to get air flowing thru the dead zone between videocard and cpu cooler :)

for excelent slection of fans and cooling devices try www.xoxide.com, every fan in my case is from them (well other then the one in the psu and the vf900)
 

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That's the airflow in my case. The rear 120mm LED fan is only 1300RPM. I might upgrade that eventually. It probably will need to suck more air once I put the zalman in.
 

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should be fine m8, the airflow looks good for the vf900, just remove the pci slot covers to allow hot air to excape thru them :)
 

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That's the airflow in my case. The rear 120mm LED fan is only 1300RPM. I might upgrade that eventually. It probably will need to suck more air once I put the zalman in.

Your airflow looks good to me. You may not need to do anything to your system, except maybe the 120mm fan upgrade. The Noctua fans look good and are extremely efficient, and the best thing is they are almost silent.
 
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again tkp, you need to understand fulid dymanics and cooling better then you do, even without the fan that wouldnt be a good idea, it SUCKS air out of the case, this means there would be very little airflow over ram and vrms.

i know your just dead set that the x2 is the only cooler to choose, but you can let it go now,hes choosen to order the vf900

and like i said, he could get a dual fan blower that would push more air over the WHOLE CARD as well as pushing it all UP to the top of the case where the exausts are, that would be my move.

also those little vent fans are good if your system has a open slot ABOVE the videocard, can be used to get air flowing thru the dead zone between videocard and cpu cooler :)

for excelent slection of fans and cooling devices try www.xoxide.com, every fan in my case is from them (well other then the one in the psu and the vf900)

Get over it man, freaking hell.... such a hippocrite you are.

The blower SUCKS air out of the system. I know the VF900 CU has been ordered, you don't have to remind me. Seriously, read what I posted. If it was directly adjacent there would be some problems (I don't know CFM of that generic single slot cooler though).

Due to the Design of an AcceleroX2/X1, the blower will benifit more, creating less drag around the GPU fan. Whats with you using "advanced" terms like fluid dynamics? Thats just another way of saying physics.

And finally, a BLOWER FAN does not BLOW AIR into the system, it is called a BLOWER FAN because of its DESIGN, taking air and sending it perpinducular to its intake!!! Any normal fan dubbed a blower is misleading advertising.

X800PROF just removed the panels, thats all you need to do. The blower fan won't help much and might do worse.
 

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Get over it man, freaking hell.... such a hippocrite you are.

The blower SUCKS air out of the system. I know the VF900 CU has been ordered, you don't have to remind me. Seriously, read what I posted. If it was directly adjacent there would be some problems (I don't know CFM of that generic single slot cooler though).

Due to the Design of an AcceleroX2/X1, the blower will benifit more, creating less drag around the GPU fan. Whats with you using "advanced" terms like fluid dynamics? Thats just another way of saying physics.

And finally, a BLOWER FAN does not BLOW AIR into the system, it is called a BLOWER FAN because of its DESIGN, taking air and sending it perpinducular to its intake!!! Any normal fan dubbed a blower is misleading advertising.

X800PROF just removed the panels, thats all you need to do. The blower fan won't help much and might do worse.

wow maby you need some links to get you started, and you correct but incorrect as well, fluid dynamics is related to physics but is far more complex, honestly you need to read up on it, you clearly dont understand how fluids move, air is a fluid/gass as such you assumptions about it being "simple phsyics" like are innaccuret.

Fluid dynamics is the sub-discipline of fluid mechanics dealing with fluids (liquids and gases) in motion. It has several subdisciplines itself, including aerodynamics (the study of gases in motion) and hydrodynamics (the study of liquids in motion). Fluid dynamics has a wide range of applications, including calculating forces and moments on aircraft, determining the mass flow rate of petroleum through pipelines, predicting weather patterns and reportedly modelling fission weapon detonation. Some of its principles are even used in traffic engineering, where traffic is treated as a continuous fluid.

Fluid dynamics offers a mathematical structure that underlies these practical disciplines and that embraces empirical and semi-empirical laws, derived from flow measurement, used to solve practical problems. The solution of a fluid dynamics problem typically involves calculation of various properties of the fluid, such as velocity, pressure, density, and temperature, as functions of space and time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluid_dynamics

some info to get you started, its an intresting field, it will help you understand why bonkers said that the x2's design is suboptimal and why i said what i said, read up on the topic, honestly it will help you when cooling systems efficently and trying to avoid noise :D
 

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Still battling...well anyway, if the computer stops crashing (it was stable for weeks and started going nuts yesterday, I had to repair windows, remove some RAM (might be dead, might just not want to POST with 4GB anymore, might be another MB issue), and now the onboard audio doesn't work...so I have no sound), I'll post some results with the Zalman. It looks like I'm going to have to go get either some jewelry screwdrivers or an eyeglass repair kit to get those tiny screws out. Anybody know the exact size of the screws on the retention bracket for the GPU fan?
 

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get a nice eletronics rep kit, i have one with filips,flat and torx drivers and 4 pairs of plyers, its a god send, and those damn screws are SMALLLLLLL and sometimes are stuck in TO DAMN WELL.

the kit i have was around 30bucks years back, it was worth it, first set i had that didnt strip out(drivers dont strip, good metel) i think craftsman has a nice set as well(lifetime replacment warr :D )
 

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Still battling...well anyway, if the computer stops crashing (it was stable for weeks and started going nuts yesterday, I had to repair windows, remove some RAM (might be dead, might just not want to POST with 4GB anymore, might be another MB issue), and now the onboard audio doesn't work...so I have no sound), I'll post some results with the Zalman. It looks like I'm going to have to go get either some jewelry screwdrivers or an eyeglass repair kit to get those tiny screws out. Anybody know the exact size of the screws on the retention bracket for the GPU fan?
Did you try resetting the cmos for the heck of it? I had a similar issue about 2 weeks back. Clearing the CMOS corrected it for me. I would've said it's the ram, but you said your onboard quit. If CMOS reset doesn't work, dying mobo, maybe?
 

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Did you try resetting the cmos for the heck of it? I had a similar issue about 2 weeks back. Clearing the CMOS corrected it for me. I would've said it's the ram, but you said your onboard quit. If CMOS reset doesn't work, dying mobo, maybe?

I cleared the CMOS about 15 times. For some reason I had to install SP2 to get everything to work. I am going to put the ram back in now and see what's going on. It was telling me that my CPU was running at 0Mhz. Plus, it wouldn't turn off speedstep in windows. My e6600 was running at 1.6GHz constantly. Well, after updating to the P25 bios and reinstalling windows and fiddling with the BIOS for a while...it seems to be working outside of the RAM, which I'm going to test in a minute.
 

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see why i hate xp?

i have never had this kind of crap with 2003, EVER, xp however causes no end of headakes for me, some stuff dosnt like sp2, other stuff wont run properly without it.......what a PITA!!!
 

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see why i hate xp?

i have never had this kind of crap with 2003, EVER, xp however causes no end of headakes for me, some stuff dosnt like sp2, other stuff wont run properly without it.......what a PITA!!!

...and vista is no better. It seems to be more stable, and my computer is easily powerful enough to handle it, but it sucks for games and I HATE how it wants to hold my hand constantly. I'd probably disable just about every warning it has if I used it.

Anyway, I plugged the ram in and now it works. This MB is nuts.
 

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vista sucks to, i never said it didnt, its like its made for people who dont understand a damn thing about using a computer(mac users)

im sticking with 2003 ent for now, maby when server 2008 comes out it will be worth the bother, if not im sure 2003 will last till vienna is ready for market.
 

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vista sucks to, i never said it didnt, its like its made for people who dont understand a damn thing about using a computer(mac users)

im sticking with 2003 ent for now, maby when server 2008 comes out it will be worth the bother, if not im sure 2003 will last till vienna is ready for market.

Wasn't saying that you did, I was just pointing out that microsuck hasn't really fixed anything. I tried vista beta 2 for about an hour and was prepared to use the disk I burned it on as a frisbee after that hour.
 
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AshenSugar, please curb your tounge, we don't want any flaming here, you seriously need counselling if you are like that in real life. You don't have to go "I was not saying that", and then continue on with some slander.

IF you do hate Microsoft so much, then why are you using their OS?

X800Professor, got the VF900CU yet?
 

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AshenSugar, please curb your tounge, we don't want any flaming here, you seriously need counselling if you are like that in real life. You don't have to go "I was not saying that", and then continue on with some slander.

IF you do hate Microsoft so much, then why are you using their OS?

X800Professor, got the VF900CU yet?

I'm getting the VF900CU on Monday. I use windows mainly because I don't feel like messing with compatibility or training my girlfriend to use any other operating system. I have windows XP to a point where I like it (took some work). I really didn't like vista when I tried it, and I really hate the performance differences. Maybe I'll upgrade when I'm using an X3900 or Geforce 9800 (I wonder if they'll call it that...) and DX10 is the norm, but not before then.
 
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I'm getting the VF900CU on Monday. I use windows mainly because I don't feel like messing with compatibility or training my girlfriend to use any other operating system. I have windows XP to a point where I like it (took some work). I really didn't like vista when I tried it, and I really hate the performance differences. Maybe I'll upgrade when I'm using an X3900 or Geforce 9800 (I wonder if they'll call it that...) and DX10 is the norm, but not before then.


They will never call it a Geforce 9800 :roll:

The best thing for your VF900CU is intake ducting, from the expansion ports. That will improve its cooling a bit.
 

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They will never call it a Geforce 9800 :roll:

The best thing for your VF900CU is intake ducting, from the expansion ports. That will improve its cooling a bit.

Oh but why not? Not like ATI's 9800 ever showed up on Nvidia's radar. I mean the FX series was so unbelievably powerful that ATI's engineers had to burn 9800s to keep warm when everyone refused to buy anything but the amazing FX5800 Ultra. :laugh:
 
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Dude... Nvidia had to turn their GPUs up even more LOL. They had phenomenal clocks for their time around 500 core . ATI had the clock rates in the 400s.

EDIT: That generic thing is decent... this is what I got... 60CFM... theres a hurricane generated by it, it evidently moves more air than my 92mm.

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=145&products_id=4424

For the hard drive:
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=145&products_id=4425

FOX-1 Standard model
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=145&products_id=4423
 
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Software Windows 2003 ent server as workstation(kills xp in perf and stab)
i dont use windows xp because it takes so much work to get it to the same point 2003 is out of the box, even with using nlite on xp u still have to do alot of tweaking after install to get xp as lean and mean as 2003 is OOTB.

and i didnt know i was using my toung thought it was my fingers doing the talking....(ok i wont go there.....har har)

as a tech i see ALOT more problems with xp then i even saw with 2k dispite the fact that most of the people i setup with windows back in the day would choose 2k over xp because it was less buggy and 2k pro was cheaper then xp pro, the only os i have seen as many seemingly random problems with is..*drum roll* you guessed it windows ME, and at times ME was even more easly delt with, at least it never had a service pack of hot fix that caused the whole os to go haywire.

some bad effects i have seen critical hotfixes cause.

drivers failing ti inilize for no reasion, normaly takes 15min to 2hrs to fix (15min if ur able to fully remove the hotfix/know what hot fix caused it)

sound support dissapearing dispite drivers being installed.

EXTREAM system slowdowns on p4 systems(in not a p4 lover but when a critical hotfix cuts the system perf down to under 1/2 what it was....well u guessed it, i get angery)

optical drives dissapearing for no reasion requiering you to reassign them drive letters or del the ide controler and restart to get them back.

optical drived randomly reverting to pio mode and thus causing all sorts of system perf issues.(very rare with 2k, normaly caused by 3rd party software like starfarce, with xp, well i have seen it randomly happen and happen due to hotfixes)

random restarts/bsod's after critical hotfix installs.

windows nolonger connecting to tcp/ip networks due to a critical security hotfix.

i could go on and on, but these are the worse ones.

probems caused by sp2.

software failing to work properly or at all under sp2, forcing the software maker to hack around the problems and fix something because ms didnt update to fix it in a timely manner.

wireless network cards failing to work AT ALL till drivers where updated, possably causing system crashes/restarts/bsod's

firewall issues causing connections to not work properly or at all with it enabled(hell it wont even let you get a dhcp addy off a router if its enabled......

again i could go on and on, but these are the most common ones i have found.


2000 and 2003 on the other hand NEVER had these kinds of issues, no critical updates screwing up the os, all the 2k and 2k3 service packs have ADDED compatability and support.
and even perf at times.

xp was RUSHED OUT, hence the problems its got, vista was RUSHED out,hence the loss of fetures such as WinFS, ms infact dumped fetures to rush DRM into the os and get the os out as quick as possable.

xp is the first windows os to come out BEFOR its server counterpart, xp was put out October 25, 2001 server 2003 was put out March 28, 2003 so its a year and 7 months after xp was put out, theres a reasion for that, xp CANT work in server mode without crashing, it was rushed out beacuse ms needed an NT based desktop os and had marketed 2k as buisness only(marketing that was a bad choice to be sure)

vista was rushed out to make hollywood happy that ms was pushing their agenda(hard core DRM for videos/audio) and because the current ceo of ms is a tool.

hence server 2008 will come out a year after vista(or longer) when its acctualy ready for prime.

in the past windows came out server+workstation at the same time.

windows 3.0 had windows nt3 server
windows nt 3.x had equivlant nt server versions.
nt4 had ws and server out at the same time.
2k same deal, xp they droped the ball, and vista.....well its just a nightmare currently for software support not to mention good drivers........talk about cluster fuck.........

my point is that i dont use xp because its crap, but i do use its older more mature and mentaly stable brother 2k and its younger yet more mature, stable, and robust brother 2003.
 

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Processor Athlon64 3500+(2.2gz)@2.94gz(3.03gz)
Motherboard Biostar Tforce550 (RMA) (m2n-sli delux)
Cooling PIB cooler
Memory 2gb ocz 533 +1gb samsung 533 4-4-4-12
Video Card(s) x1900xtx 512mb+zalman vf900 cooler(kicks stock coolers arse)
Storage 80gb,200gb,250gb,160gb
Display(s) 20.1 in dell 2001fp + KDS visual sensations 19"
Case Codegen briza seirse
Audio Device(s) ADI SoundMax HD audio onboard,using Ket's driver pack
Power Supply FSP 400watt SAGA seirse w/noise killer
Software Windows 2003 ent server as workstation(kills xp in perf and stab)
as to the fx line, HORRID CARDS, i had a 5800ultra, it was not "the shit" it was just SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT, the 9600 KILLED IT at 1/4 the price :(

and ati didnt need clocks, they had the better design, in dx9 they had true dx9 specs no partial persission bullshit, they did FULL persission period also each pipe had a shader unit, on the fx line it was like 2 pipes to 1 shader unit (bottleneck anybody?)

dont get me started i think i put a post up explaining why the fx line sucked already :p
 
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