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Don't those pocket-sized noco starter batteries already do 1000CCA and more?

I'm more interested in its ability to continuously power equipment. Still have a Viair 450P that I refuse to let go of but struggling to make use of after switching to EV. Tried those noco jump starter batteries, they're not capable of running that stuff.

Not gonna pay $600 for one though.
 
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Sales pitch sounds great but I can't see myself buying a battery for my truck from an etailer.
 
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Half the weight, Twice the power, and at only six times the price of a standard battery. Bargain.
 
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I got a lithium battery for my motorcycle, amazing the difference in weight, and still more than the power of the crappy lead acid dinosaur.
 

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It's not just the fact that you get more power, it's that the battery is usable from 10-100% charge. Voltage drop doesn't happen at below 60% capacity like on lead acid.
 
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I'm pretty amused that usage of super capacitators are pretty limited in car industry, they have developed hugely to aid conventional batteries, as they... have insanely good lifetime and astonishing current capabilities.
 
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I converted a USP unit to super-capacitors to cover power glitches up to a minute or so.

Replacing a UPS Battery With Super-Capacitors : 5 Steps - Instructables

Made my own carrier

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Don't those pocket-sized noco starter batteries already do 1000CCA and more?

I'm more interested in its ability to continuously power equipment. Still have a Viair 450P that I refuse to let go of but struggling to make use of after switching to EV. Tried those noco jump starter batteries, they're not capable of running that stuff.

Not gonna pay $600 for one though.
Yes/No. Noco in particular on/off goes through periods of very scammy-spec'd products.
Early Project Farm did several videos w/ Noco's products back then, and the generic 'import' jumpstarters, etc. were more capable.
*all* lie on their actual CCA capability, with most of the consumer-facing starter packs melting their leads during max-CCA load testing.

Also, most-all of those 'pocket size' starters, use Lithium Polymer packs like the new DeWalt tool batteries. (not LiFePo4 'cans')

$600 is *almost* reasonable. However, I could never use such a battery; it actually gets cold where I live, in the winter.

Half the weight, Twice the power, and at only six times the price of a standard battery. Bargain.
If you're 'thumping' with car audio kit, this 1 much lighter battery could replace the primary *and* secondary batteries.
For specific use-cases, yes. $599 is a bargain.


I pretty amused that usage of super capacitators are pretty limited in car industry, they have developed hugely to aid conventional batteries, as they... have insanely good lifetime and astonishing current capabilities.
My guess, the literal Lead-Acid cartel doesn't want their market 'muscled in on'. In industrial automotive, etc. they seem to be in more-common use.


This particular IOXUS 12V Supercap model, has been available in 'surplus' for over a year. Clearly, *something* that was built and sold using these things, semi-recently were retired from service.

 
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My guess, the literal Lead-Acid cartel doesn't want their market 'muscled in on'. In industrial automotive, etc. they seem to be in more-common use.


This particular IOXUS 12V Supercap model, has been available in 'surplus' for over a year. Clearly, *something* that was built and sold using these things, semi-recently were retired from service.


I must admit that a movie scene came up in my head when I read "Lead-Acid cartel" :kookoo: :laugh:

Isn't the automotive sector pretty much the only one left where lead-acid type batteries are still widely used?
 
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This particular IOXUS 12V Supercap model, has been available in 'surplus' for over a year. Clearly, *something* that was built and sold using these things, semi-recently were retired from service.


24WHr, so could hold up a computer for a few minutes, but only about 1/20 the capacity of a car battery.

Might be a good alternative for a UPS
 
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I must admit that a movie scene came up in my head when I read "Lead-Acid cartel" :kookoo: :laugh:

Isn't the automotive sector pretty much the only one left where lead-acid type batteries are still widely used?
Yes (and forklifts+cranes, IIRC. Tho, Lithiums have found their way into those 'industrial' applications, too.).

Which, is why there's only a handful of companies DESPERATELY trying to stay relevant.
(last I checked, for most automotive Lead-Acids in US, there were 2 major conglomerates w/ MANY sub-brands/manufactureres)
Also, why a lot of "North American production" Lead Acids are made in MX.

TBQH, given the active hostility towards the long-standing technology they produce... I can't blame 'em.
Esp. since those same companies helped to implement (consumer-facing) safe and sane lead recycling* (a necessity once US's last lead smelter was shuttered)

*Note, that esp. outside of US, regulations and safety of workers in lead reclamation, sucks...

24WHr, so could hold up a computer for a few minutes, but only about 1/20 the capacity of a car battery.

Might be a good alternative for a UPS
Low Capacity, extreme Current, effectively indefinite cycle life, 0 off-gassing. Yeah, could be a good choice there.

Self-Discharge characteristics aside, a great replacement for Stop-Start equipped cars and primary 'SLI' replacement. Also, unlike Lithium batteries, SuperCaps will still operate in cold.

(Potentially, good for DIY Cell Spot Welders, too)


IIRC, I've seen more than a few people take 'motorcycle' batteries, and use them in paralel with supercap 'boosters'.

There's a decade+ of studies on Battery+SuperCap parralel operation. The caps absorb transient loads and starting current, the battery provides the 'bulk' storage.
Given that this *can* greatly reduce the amp load on the battery, the battery can be much smaller/lighter w/ a much longer lifespan (in-use).
 
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My guess, the literal Lead-Acid cartel doesn't want their market 'muscled in on'. In industrial automotive, etc. they seem to be in more-common use.

At work with other techs we actually concluded the same actually... it is a headscratcher... we have everything really, but nope... weird world we live in.
 
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