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  1. KBD New Member

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    Full tower for sure, good cases would be Silverstone Tj-07, Coolermaster HAF 932, may be Stacker 830, certain Lian-Li models, Thermaltake Armor+, Mountain Mods cases which are optimized for water cooling, there are others but these come to mind first.
    Antec 1200 is a great case, its just not for water, for air its excellent. I wouldnt recomend water cooling for a first time builder though, if you really want to though id get a kit like Swiftech H20 Compact or one of Petra's kits and get someone to help you if possible.
     
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    If you go water, go custom. I had that Swiftech compact kit about a year or so ago, and it will NOT handle an i7.
     
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    In that case, he is better off sticking with air, custom setup is NOT for everyone.

    Second thought, how about a CoolIT Domino, good for i7?
     
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    That I'm not sure about. However, the Eliminator would not handle an i7, so I'd guess probably not. A simple custom WC is easier than it seems, especially if you take the advice of the resident experts here. ;)
     
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    for that budget, you can ditch that case and that cooler and pick this up

    http://www.performance-pcs.com/cata...ge=product_info&cPath=59_262&products_id=4269

    I would also get the custom window for that case.

    Watercooling is actually really easy... The hard parts are to pick out the right components (which anyone here can help you with) and fitting the radiator 2x120 or greater to the case... If I was you and building from scratch, I would get a case already pre-drilled with the rad and fans WC parts so you dont have to worry about the second part.

    After that its a matter of screwing in the fittings (very easy) cutting out tubing and testing for leaks... The advantages of a good WC system are exponential with an i7 just because they run so insanely hot.
     
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    phanbuey says thanks.
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    I think we've overloaded the OP. He's probably passed out next to his computer. :laugh:
     
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    nah thats the version without the rez... the case kit has a drivebay rez in it.. that kit alone runs $240ish and then the case is another $150ish (for the 570, $120 for the GZ)...

    Its basically the same as buying the parts on your own and then paying someone $70 bucks to spend several hours putting it all together...

    Just an idea for a first kit. After you see it in action you will be able to put it together no problems.
     
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    I passed on my bed, partially because of so much info at one time! I'll stick with air cooling for now unless water is my only option if I want to safely OC to 4.0... I thought 6 fans would do the job, guess not!

    Right now I'm still looking into RAM, I appreciate the recommendations but I don't want to order off any website but Newegg. (Sorry I didn't inform you of this earlier.)

    And $500 for a case?!?! That's worse than how the gas prices were back 6 months ago!
     
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    Well, if you must go newegg, then get these. Do NOT get scared off because they are only 1066 sticks and don't have heatspreaders. They are Micron D9 sticks, and will do 1600+ with cas 7 or 8 timings, and you can buy cheap copper heatspreaders for them.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148246

    As for the cooler...dammit, go outside the box and buy this here:

    http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/thulexbled.html
     
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    Alright, I'll grab the cooler. If possible, how about some RAM from Sidewinder? Or RAM + spreader. (Since I'm already shopping there.) I honestly don't want to give myself anymore trouble than I need. I thought I had a great build going on too! =[ Wow, that cooler is going to cost $100.

    Edit: Okay so Sidewinder doesn't sell RAM! But they do sell heatspreaders!
     
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    Oh, and the OP will need an adapter bracket for 1366, this one:

    http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/thlgboreboxb.html

    Same for Xigmatek-S1284EE, it needs a 1366 adapter as well if he still goes that way, newegg has them in stock i think.

    Newegg is great and has a crazy selection but sometimes you gotta buy from other places as Newegg doesnt carry some of the extreme stuff. I can personally vouch that Sidewinder computers is a safe place to buy from and their prices are very competitive in comparison to other enthusiast shops.

    You misunderstand, its not just the case you are getting but a complete custom water cooling system already installed in it which will save a beginner like you a lot of trouble not to mention that all the components are among the best on the market, for that price you cant beat it as phanbuey pointed out.
     
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    Alright, added the adapter to my cart. As for RAM, fine I'll go with the Crucial 6GB kit but which RAM cooler should I get? There's a good selection on Sidewinder!
     
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    Buy the ram I linked, and these heatspreaders. I have them, and they are great for the money:

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835110105

    That combo will rival any DDR3 sticks on the market, except maybe $300 sets with Elpida Hyper IC's.
     
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    If I go with that case, I won't need my $100 CPU cooler right? (How is water cooling managed over long periods?) If I go water cooling, what exactly am I going to be replacing in general? Like, I know I won't need the CPU cooler, what else?
     
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    Ugh, don't buy that case! Give me 5 minutes, and I'm going to put something together for you.
     
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    You're awesome, thanks!

    Oh and I'm going to order 3 of those heatspreaders right?
     
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    Here you go! I forgot to add the hardrive. Still, a great system, under budget, and a perfect case if you decide to get watercooling in the future.

    [​IMG]
     
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    Paulieg, your system has a lot of different parts to the one I've got now. I'm not sure when I'll be doing water cooling, probably not soon. I'll settle for air w/ 3.8 if it'll save me a lot of trouble.
     
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    Well, the case is a very individual choice. Trust in the other items I listed. They are all very solid. If you want a higher end board, I'd say go with a Foxconn Blood Rage, or the DFI UT.

    Trust me. The copper more than does the job on my DDR3 sticks, which are currently clocked to 1800mhz. The spreaders are still cool to the touch. No need to those noisy little fans.
     
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    Looked into the Blood Rage and DFI UT, the Rage seems to have an unstable BIOS whereas the DFI seems to have an overly complicated BIOS. I'll stick with my UD4P, unless I'm mistaken.

    Edit: How about a mobo that will allow me to manually control fans? The UD4P, from a review I just read, doesn't have that option.
     
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    4850x2 is fully support in ATI's drivers since 9.1. Support issues are now non-existent.

    That's not to say it's the best choice tho.

    With SLI as an option on the X58 boards, I'd go with 2 GTX260s over the 4870's.
     
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