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    Yeah, should be just fine. Specs on it are pretty good.
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    Kingston. Cannot deny, Kingston is/has been/will be the best in the Memory biz.

    V300 or HyperX, either will last you for years of plenty fast. 500 vs. 550....really? For your PC?

    Are milli-seconds ruining your life? Samsung is faster, and the have a price point SSD that uses inferior memory.

    Kingston is appropriately priced and worthy of every penny. No, I do not work for them. However, I have no complaint's either.

    I have a small one, as a cache, in my UltraBook, and soon will be replacing the spinner with a V300, or a HyperX- just landed a promotion, at work!

    Either way, I advise Kingston, in case you were still wondering. :laugh:
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    Just looked at your own link. On the same page! Kingston, $88 bucks.!!

    See the Samsung? TLC, not MLC. Avoid TLC! Not nearly as stable as MLC.

    Why pay more, for less reliability?

    Alright, I am done.
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    Aren't Seagate SSD's a bit new to be calling them unreliable? I mean, how did you come across this? I have at least 15 Seagate HDD's at the moment along with some other brands. I haven't noticed one being more reliable than the other... Anyways, no need to get the Seagate with the Kingston at that price.
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    I really like the Crucial M500 drives.

    Crucial M500 120GB SATA 2.5" 7mm (with 9.5mm adapt...

    Samsung 840 Pros, Corsair Neutron, Plextor, Intel, and OCZ Vertex are all good drives as well. Can't really go wrong with the higher tier ones. You won't notice much of a difference between them.

    I think he referring to MLC vs. TLC, but the Seagate drive is MLC so. Also drives like the Samsung 840 have a lot of tweaks to the controller to offset the bad write endurance from TLC NAND.

    Not sure why he loves Kingston so much. All the reviews ive seen of any of their SSDs show them to be pretty mediocre.
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    That crucial drive has mechanical write speeds. Not so great for an O/S drive.
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    Agreed, but once you have the OS installed, your not going to be doing much writing. It'll be reading more than writing.

    But I do remember that the 120GB version of the M500 is actually pretty slow all together compared to the higher capacity variations because of only having like 4 NAND chips apparently. So nevermind.
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    Why not Plextor? Their SSDs are quite reliable and they are in the market for quite a long time.

    Granted I am biased against Seagate. The brand has a very bad reputation in my country, which is ironically where the main factories are located.
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    I think 'LOVE' is a bit strong. :roll:

    Point being, Kingston is a reliable company, no? They make SSD's made of flash memory, no? Is it not true, Kingston is the World's largest memory company?

    So, maybe their SSD's aren't the fastest. But, how many milliseconds makes it slow? Plus, their R/W lifespans are quite better than most SSD's out there, that cost much more than the Kingston.

    Am I lying? I'm pretty sure all this is true. As of two weeks ago, when I stopped researching SSD's.

    You say, 'Love.' I say, 'Logical choice.'
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    SAMSUNG, with the TLC. Seagate uses the more reliable MLC but, isn't new to the game less than been there done that? (i.e. Kingston, memory...)

    :rockout:
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    I agree with Arjai.. reliability has to stand out when it comes to storage & we all know sandforce based kingston is a leader in almost all aspects. Do not just look from the price perspective, you will repent when your data will be at loss! Morever, samsung has a bad reputation nowadays with their smart phone. I do not want to take a chance with thier SSDs :eek:
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    Kingston is known for their compatibility and XMP profile testing in system RAM, beyond that I don't think they're really doing anything miraculous regarding SSDs. SandForce controllers may have gotten better since the high failure rate days, but they still don't seem to be as reliable as other controllers built specifically FOR reliability. SF is still used with the impress with the initial speed spec marketing angle, but even the new ones can and have failed within a year or less.

    Aside from that, it's not just about controller durability but firmware and setup as well. I went with a Plextor because across the board they were getting raves from review sites and customers for consistency and reliability, which is largely due to their proprietary firmware. It's a great compliment to a solid controller.

    As far as Seagate goes, they were good back in the day, but ever since the flood I don't think I'd even trust their HDDs, let alone their SSDs. Some may sit jaw agape at less than 30 sec boot times, but they can easily wind up with head in hands after one fails. It's like that classic line from Blade Runner, often times "the light that burns twice as bright, burns half as long". In this case maybe even less than half.

    One of the primary problems with the so called "consistency" tests done on SSDs is it really only tests their consistency across various types of reads and writes. The most important factor regarding consistency in an SSD is how well they maintain speed across various drive conditions over time as far as how full they are and how cluttered they are. This is where Plextor's proprietary firmware comes into play. It makes the TRIM function more efficient and thus the drive overall more consistent regardless of data capacity or condition.
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    It seems like selecting the right SSD is not as easy as one would think. There's a lot that has to be taken into consideration. What caught my eye was the speed. I know it's probably only theoretical, but nevertheless, it is still amazing. A controller is something I didn't take into consideration perhaps I should read more in-depth articles or buy something similar to yours.
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    Good points. However, I have not heard of recent advances in Sandforce being unreliable.

    http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/ssd-charts-2012/AS-SSD-Overall-Total-Score,Marque_fbrandx166,2792.html

    http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/ssd-charts-2012/AS-SSD-Overall-Total-Score,Marque_fbrandx54,2792.html

    Kingston lands somewhere in the middle of the Plextor results. So, not so bad considering the price of the top tier SSD's out there. If you want the best of the best, spend the dough. If you want a reliable SSD that performs better than what you will actually notice and is reasonably priced...Kingston.
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    I think you should read really good SSD reviews, like the ones at TweakTown. The Seagate 600 you linked to uses an LAMD controller that gets over 90C under a load for 10 minutes. You shouldn't worry too much about the temp of the controller as much as you should the flash. Flash loses endurance when it gets hot and the heat from the controller has to go somewhere. PCBs are made from copper and copper is used in heat sinks because it spreads heat....in this case right from the controller to the flash.

    In reviews there are a lot of different performance results but have you ever asked yourself what you should really look at? Everyone likes to point out throughput and all of these really big numbers, 550 MB/s read and 500 MB/s write for sequential transfers. The truth is, daily use activities will never produce a load that will break 300 MB/s unless you are actually transferring a file from one SSD to another.

    So what should you really care about, latency and low queue depth IOPS performance. Some people think they are the same thing but they are not. They are closely related.

    Latency: http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/5593/crucial-m500-120gb-ssd-review/index6.html

    IOPS: http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/5593/crucial-m500-120gb-ssd-review/index7.html

    You want low latency and high IOPS but you want high IOPS at low queue depths since your desktop or notebook will rarely get over a queue depth of 4.
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    The Sandisk Extreme II, Samsung 840 Pro and OCZ Vector are the top performers in any capacity size right now. If you want to get specific to the 128GB class, take 840 Pro off your list because it has higher latency than the others in this capacity size.

    I saw someone stated that TLC is unreliable. That is not true. It shouldn't get hot since TLC can have issues with heat but the new 19nm and older 20nm class from Samsung is 3K P/E cycles or better, just like IMFT and Flash Forward.

    If you want a super bargain, the Mushkin Chronos DX 240GB goes on sale from time to time for around 160 at Newegg.
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    All I can say is I like my SanDisk Extremes....80% full in RAID0 and running about 925Mb/s...75% and less they run about 1Gb/s

    They've been very reliable.no hiccups at all.
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    @up just ordered lol
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    I just ordered that glitched price SSD. Hope it ships to the US okay, its not available on the amazon.com site, only the .co.uk!!
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    Well, a year ago I wanted a ssd, too, going from 10k rpm hdd, but for me the reliable and safe it is on first place,after that, the speed(to be the same on data compressible and uncompressible) so I prefferd to go with Samsung 830 512mb, and a week ago I buy another samsung 830 256gb for my second pc, the speed from 500mb to 550mb, it is too little to go with some unreliable ssd...
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    I think this all gonna be nothing but an amazon refund. Seller did not sell a single thing before, but let's hope for the best. (I'm curious, how much did they charge for the shipping into the US?)
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    $15 to ship to US, delivery estimate 2 to 4 weeks.


    It says Dispatched from and sold by Amazon. Gift-wrap available. So it might not be a problem. If they f-ck me over, I'll do a chargeback.
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    Thanks, $15 is Nice.

    I hope Amazon will honor the price or cancel the order tho, because chargeback (here in the EU) sometimes takes weeks if not months, and I just ordered three of these :>

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