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FPS in Oblivion/Oblivion Tweaking (w/ Optimized Oblivion File from Ketxxx! Pg. 20)

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  1. Azn Tr14dZ New Member

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    Currently, I'm getting about 40 FPS in The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion in the dungeons and sewers. Would it drop much more than that (10+ FPS) when I reach outside? I just got the game on Friday, and just started playing today. So, yeah, I'm still in the dungeon, getting 40+ FPS. But my settings for it are 1024x768, and everything else is either "On", "High", or 3/4 of the slider to the right. Should I lower these for better FPS in the outside area?

    My current system specs are:
    AMD Athlon 64 3200+ @ 2.67Ghz
    GeIL Ultra Platinum DDR 400 @ DDR 445
    ATI Radeon X800XL @ 441/540 w/ EMT (5900 3DMark05)

    Should I overclock more to get better performance, and also lower settings in Oblivion?

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    In the time you typed that you could have played untill you're outside and have known...

    There is a framedrop outside though, not sure how big it'll be, going outside is the best way to find out.
     
  3. Azn Tr14dZ New Member

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    Yeah, but I'm doing MLG games for Halo 2...so I can't really see.

    But anyways, does anyone here know what I should do?
     
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    Even if it does get 10 less, down to 30, you should just leave it as is. as long as it doenst get below 25fps you should be right, because at about 25 is where you start to slightly see the lag.

    If it does get below 25, id say just lower the settings a little bit, or turn something that you dont mind off
     
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    Buy a X1950 and problem solved.
     
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    lmao cus we all have $700 AUD in our back pockets :p

    ...I think my entire system would only be worth like 1k AUD :eek:
     
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    I get 20-30 in town, 30-40 outside, 60-80 in dungeons and indoors. I have everything maxed with the shawdows off as they are useless.
     
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    What abt the forest?
     
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    i could run this game pretty decently (19+ in forests) with my gto2 @ 10x7 with grass 3/4, shadows up 1bar, trees all the way, distance all the way, and then a bunch of speed minded adjustments

    worked nice, except when i was in a forest and crested a hill and looked over all of cyrodil - that was a hit oof
     
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    Forests I get 40-60 deoending if there are enemies around.
     
  11. Azn Tr14dZ New Member

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    What are settings that really decrease performance? I'm almost outside!!!
     
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    Open your Oblivion.ini file found in the saved game folder in My Documents, edit the MinGrassSize and increase its value to 120 or even 150, that should give you a good boost in the forest area.

    I also disable shadows on grass, altough I leave all other settings maxed, one other thing that may help in the forest is decreasing the size of the texture map trees uses for shadows, there's an entry in the .ini file for doing it, I decreased from 512 or something to 256, or even try 128 if that doesn't help too much, you won't notice much of a difference in the IQ, but you may squeeze 1~2 more FPS from this tweak.

    There's a mod that significally improves the FPS at forest areas, by reducing the amount of polygons used to render the grass (grass it seems, is the biggest FPS killer while being outside for this game), you can find it here:

    http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=OblivionMods.Detail&id=1479

    Some ppl are experimenting with mods that reduce the overall amount of polygons used in Oblivion, without sacrificing the IQ it seems, I haven't tried any of those mods yet, as they seem to have too many bugs at their current versions, feel free to check from time to time on their progress, as this will enhance your performance by a great margin hopefully.

    Finally, if you are into using mods, I could recommend some I use in my game, especially Oscuro's Oblivion Overhaul 1.31, the Unofficial Oblivion Patch 1.4, Oblivion Stereo Overhaul, Parallax Mapping for all Textures (almost 1GB download), enchanced LOD textures for the long distance terrains (about 200MBs of them), and Natural Environments for an overall enhanced IQ while being outside, get them all here:

    http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/

    Here's a list of recommended mods as well, unfortunately, as of August 25, it has been discontinued by the author, but you can still find some gems there:

    http://www.elderscrolls.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=515789

    After using these tweaks, I can play with all settings maxed (all sliders at max), except for shadows on grass, at 1024x768 using HDR (no FSAA of course), and getting 60~80 FPS indoors, 30~35 at cities (except for Cheydinhal and Skingrad, which always are on the lower 20s in my system), and 25~30 FPS while being in heavily forested areas.

    Btw, be prepared for a feast for your eyes once you go out there :) I spent about 10 minutes just gazing and drooling at the sunset near Imperial City once I got outside the first dungeon, even my wife was sitting by my side amazed by the show ;) :D

    Hope this helps :)

    EDIT: Almost forgot, be sure to check this guide for a lot of tips on tweaking Oblivion, it is a must! :)

    http://www.tweakguides.com/Oblivion_1.html
     
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    well my x1900xt runs it quite nicely, but yea that grass is a killer, i normally get around 80-90fps maxed until grass then it drops to 50-70
     
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    The forests are supposed to be the wrost! If u get 50 in town, ud get 20 in the forests.
    So how can u get 60 in the forests and 30 in town?
     
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    How much do u think i would get with an X1900XT @ 750/1625 and a P4 Prescott @3.5Ghz?
     
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    Yes, I don't buy that either, by Ultra I asume you mean FSAA (which is set at 4X by default at Ultra) and perhaps even HDR, but even top of the line SLI and Crossfire systems are brought the their knees when playing Oblivion at 1600x1200 and everything maxed out when traveling and fighting at forest areas, how come a single 1800XT can outperform dual 7900GTX and dual 1900XT systems? :confused:
     
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    Cause the 1800Xt is THE Oblivion card! as you have rightly pointed out it even betters the 1900xt, it's about the cards architecture/rendering processes so I am told, just a different way of doing things that happens to just fit in well with this particular games architecture.

    Nice to see you again Warlock, have not seen you around in a while.
     
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    Thats a joke.
    The X1900 series is THE card for Oblivion because of its shaders, this is a known fact.
    The X1800 cards and the 7900 and 7800 cards cant compare, for they have half of the shader power of an X1900 at best.
     
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    Woah! that's surprising, if that's the case and seeing you have an X1800 too, I guess I have to believe that claim, though the disparity in FPS between forest areas and cities that Track cited still puzzles me :confused:

    Btw, it's nice to see you too Tatty, I've been busy taking the final test for my dental license, and lately at work these past months, I've been checking on the forum from time to time, though I didn't have the time to post, until I saw the Dark Ride fund raiser thread, now that I have a bit more free time I can post again, at least until my license is in the mail and I have to go to the US again, but it's nice to be here again :) How have you been doing lately buddy? I can see you've been busy updating your rig :)
     
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    15th Warlock, if I do the tweaks/mods you listed earlier, even if I get more FPS, will image quality lower by a lot?

    Btw, what do you get in 3DMark05?
     
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    Unless u lower the Pixel/Vertex shaders used in the game, u should pretty much not have to worry abt IQ.. but i dont know abt that polygon reduction thing..
     
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    No, Ultra is what it set itself to when it deteced the settings. Towns really kill my performance, forests don't. I have everything maxed with shadow sliders off, HDR and no AA 1280x1024. My sig needs to be updated. I am not a liar, if I was I would say that I got 10K on 3dmark05 at stock speeds.
     
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    Well, the MinGrassSize tweak will decrease the size and density of the grass, and the shadow texture map tweak for the trees will make the shadows at a long distance look less detailed, but the other mods (better LOD textures, parallax scrolling textures and Natural Environments) will certainly make your game look a LOT better, thought these have an impact on framerate.

    By mixing these tweaks/mods you can find a balance between good performance and great IQ, remember you don't need a lot of FPS when playing Oblivion, though there are certain situations when the framerate may get as low as 18~22 FPS (like when fighting many creatures around the Oblivion gates in the forests) but it isn't as distracting as you would think.

    What is distracting for me is how Oblivion handles memory, even with 2 GBs of RAM you'll get lots of loading from the HDD as the game streams the landscape, dunno about any tweak that improves this situation yet.

    I've tried changing some .ini settings that are supposed to be related to how the game handles caching of the landscape, but even after heavy tweaking I still get this stuttering from time to time. I've read that even ppl with 4GBs of RAM have the same problem, it has to do with the way the Oblivion engine handles the memory unfortunately.

    I get about 5500 marks at 3dMark05 and about 2800 at '06
     
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    I can't seem to find the "MiniGrassSize" anywhere?

    Hopefully my X800XL will run it fine outside, I get about 5900 in 3DMark05.

    Oh yeah, should I try all of those mods/tweaks that you showed me? Even the ones I have to DL in the links?
     
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    Look for this line:

    iMinGrassSize=

    Try to set it a 120 or more, be warned, too high a value will make grass look very small and sparce, also, remember to use the Low Poly Grass mod link I mentioned too ;)

    The other tweak is this:

    iShadowMapResolution=1024

    Try with 512, 256 or even 128.

    There are tweaks that will improve the memory management, water LOD, and even some tweaks are supposed to enhance performance on HT/Dual Core systems, please remember to read this guide:

    http://www.tweakguides.com/Oblivion_1.html

    You'll find these and many other tweaks there, I'm sure it'll help you a lot :)
     
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