[FUD] AMD’s answer to Fermi is Trillian - Specs?

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

drop already 5 series prices! *shakes fist at sky*

 

[Lionheart]

I will take this with a grain of salt, but it does sound awesome!

Come on Nvidia, I believe in you, even though you suk sometimes but I want competition and low low prices, and your beastly cards!

 

[ToTTenTranz]

The Fud is now saying that Trillian is the Eyefinity6.. meh.

 

[nt300]

Ya just read that too So if not 5890, it leads me to believe AMD still has HD 5890 on hold just to see if and when Fermi gets released and how its performance will impact HD 5000's. One thing is for sure imo, AMD can afford to drop prices a lot, Nvidia cannot

Trillian is Radeon HD5870 Eyefinity 6 card
Not the “5890”
http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/17741/1/

 

[nt300]

the R900 should be in early testing now, research on that core is almost guaranteed done with the R1000 being the one in current development, nvidia is in a similar situation Fermi isn't even out yet but Fermi's next "revision" should be in its development stages, Fermi got hung up on testing and optimizations.

ATI's R900 is codenamed Hecatoncheires.
In ancient Greek, Hecatoncheires means "hundred armed" and from what we hear this is a Brand New Architecture and not just improved version of R770, something that RV870 is. Love those Greeks

This is when ATI finally Annihilates its competition imo
http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/15891/34/

 

[erocker]

ATI's R900 is codenamed Hecatoncheires.
In ancient Greek, Hecatoncheires means "hundred armed" and from what we hear this is a Brand New Architecture and not just improved version of R770, something that RV870 is. Love those Greeks

This is when ATI finally Annihilates its competition imo
http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/15891/34/

I see RV970 being another shader/ROP increase based on the same design as 870/770/etc. It doesn't need to be redesigned yet. After RV970 it most likely will be a new archetecture.

 

[zithe]

I really don't think a 2400-shader new GPU would be in AMD's plans by now.

It's bad business practice to stand still and let the competition catch up.

 

[Binge]

More ROPs will = win. I really like the specs of the "Trillian" in the first post.

::EDIT::

Anyone see this article yet?

Not the “5890”

It turns out our well informed sources weren't that well informed after all. This is a new card from ATI but it's not the faster HD 5870.


It is an HD 5870 that can take care of six displays. The official name is ATI Radeon HD 5870 Eyefinity 6 Edition and the card will launch after Cebit. The exact date is March 11th and as you can imagine this card will go after Matrox multi-display solutions rather than Nvidia's Fermi based GTX 480.

Since we don’t know too many people with six monitors this card will definitely be interesting, but it won’t make a huge difference in the high end market. It has the Halo effect as it's cool to run six displays but only few will actually do that.

Very few people have two displays to begin with, but some people with loads of cash and a train / airplane simulation obsession will definitely go after this card.

Source: Fudzilla

 

[KainXS]

so the HD5890 is just the HD5890 and this trillian is just this card we saw at launch

 

[ToTTenTranz]

It's bad business practice to stand still and let the competition catch up.

No one at AMD or nVidia ever stands still. It's always a matter of resource management.
Which is why they don't launch cards just because they can - they launch them when it makes sense.

 

[mastrdrver]

I see RV970 being another shader/ROP increase based on the same design as 870/770/etc. It doesn't need to be redesigned yet. After RV970 it most likely will be a new archetecture.

Nordichardware and VR-Zone(?) have already stated that R900 is a redesign. I think I read Charlie saying this too but I'm not sure where.

Even Tech Report, at the end of their last Fermi article, stated that ATI will need to change to change architecture the next generation to something "similar" to Fermi (I believe it to mean being able to do more than 1 poly/clock).

 

[erocker]

Nordichardware and VR-Zone(?) have already stated that R900 is a redesign. I think I read Charlie saying this too but I'm not sure where.

Even Tech Report, at the end of their last Fermi article, stated that ATI will need to change to change architecture the next generation to something "similar" to Fermi (I believe it to mean being able to do more than 1 poly/clock).

Thing is, based on power consumption and heat dissapation where it stands now, the RV870 could easily be beefed up and be called a RV970. Especially if done on a smaller process than 40nm. This is also most likely the most cost effective thing ATi can do. It's been working for them. I disagree with the TechReport article, and I think that thier article is based off of "if everything goes right" with Fermi. I'm fairly confident if ATi went ahead and added shaders and ROP's to the RV870 it would beat a Fermi. Time will tell, Nvidia needs to start selling cards first.

 

[a_ump]

i would really like to see ATI work on a new architecture, but at Nvidia's current pace, it wouldn't surprise me if ATI saved the new architecture for "RV1000" and did another shrink+improvement on the current like they have been. No need for them to release a new architecture yet. Unless they want to try what intel did and blow away their competition. If they succeeded that'd be great. I really do think, architecture-wise, nvidia is in a tight spot untill 28nm becomes solid.

 

[Indra EMC]

so the HD5890 is just the HD5890 and this trillian is just this card we saw at launch

http://img.techpowerup.org/100219/AMD-Radeon-HD-5870-2GB-6DP-4.jpg

That is definitely not Trillian, but That's HD 5870 with SIX mini display port for 6 monitor in Eyefinity mode.

 

[zithe]

No one at AMD or nVidia ever stands still. It's always a matter of resource management.
Which is why they don't launch cards just because they can - they launch them when it makes sense.

Using the G92 as high end for 2 years was standing still, imho. ATI wouldn't have had a chance if nvidia had just gone on with new stuff. I don't believe there was anything stopping them.

 

[a_ump]

very true zithe. Nvidia coulda pulled an intel and come out with a new architecture(G200) while their opposition was behind. Like imagine if Nvidia had come out with G200 while HD 3XXX series was being released.

 

[Lionheart]

Do you guys think there will be a HD5990?

 

[DonInKansas]

It's bad business practice to stand still and let the competition catch up.

No, it's bad business practice to blow your wad when you already control a segment of the marketplace. There's something to be said for release timing when a lot of customers will equate "new release" with "zomg awesomeness."

 

[ToTTenTranz]

Using the G92 as high end for 2 years was standing still, imho. ATI wouldn't have had a chance if nvidia had just gone on with new stuff. I don't believe there was anything stopping them.

You might want to re-check your sources.

The G92 was nVidia's high end from December 2007 (8800GTS 512 launch) to June 2008 (280GTX launch). That's 7 months, not 2 years.
Even the 9800GX2 was the top card for only 3 months.

Gradually, the G92 was used from high end (8800GT) to top end (8800 GTS 512, later 9800GX2) and to mid-end right now (GTS250).


What's been around as high-end for two years is the GT200. And that's happened because of nVidia's horrid experience with 40nm.
As far as rumours go, the GT212 (256-shader, DX10.1 40nm part) was cancelled in early 2009 and Fermi has been.. well, late.



But you can be sure that the HD5000 series' success depended a lot on nVidia's fail.

 

[El_Mayo]

Do you guys think there will be a HD5990?

Hmm, who knows
there was no HD 4890x2 even though it may have equal a GTX 295
the real question is:
Will there be an HD5950?
i think that would sell

 

[a_ump]

You might want to re-check your sources.

The G92 was nVidia's high end from December 2007 (8800GTS 512 launch) to June 2008 (280GTX launch). That's 7 months, not 2 years.
Even the 9800GX2 was the top card for only 3 months.

Gradually, the G92 was used from high end (8800GT) to top end (8800 GTS 512, later 9800GX2) and to mid-end right now (GTS250).


What's been around as high-end for two years is the GT200. And that's happened because of nVidia's horrid experience with 40nm.
As far as rumours go, the GT212 (256-shader, DX10.1 40nm part) was cancelled in early 2009 and Fermi has been.. well, late.



But you can be sure that the HD5000 series' success depended a lot on nVidia's fail.

u ever wonder that maybe nvidia after all this time and realizing fermi's difficulty went back and fixed that issue. Cause how else are they going to fill the high end of the GTX 3XX series? Fermi is GTX 4XX and GTX 3XX has been 200 series renames. So i think it's possible.

 

[Lionheart]

Hmm, who knows
there was no HD 4890x2 even though it may have equal a GTX 295
the real question is:
Will there be an HD5950?
i think that would sell

Yeah true, a HD5950 would be a great hign end dual video card, hopefully amd will release it, not that I want it but it would save ppl money on buying a HD5970, plus overclocking will be good!

 

[zithe]

You might want to re-check your sources.

The G92 was nVidia's high end from December 2007 (8800GTS 512 launch) to June 2008 (280GTX launch). That's 7 months, not 2 years.
Even the 9800GX2 was the top card for only 3 months.

Gradually, the G92 was used from high end (8800GT) to top end (8800 GTS 512, later 9800GX2) and to mid-end right now (GTS250).


What's been around as high-end for two years is the GT200. And that's happened because of nVidia's horrid experience with 40nm.
As far as rumours go, the GT212 (256-shader, DX10.1 40nm part) was cancelled in early 2009 and Fermi has been.. well, late.

I was kinda including the g80 in that run, as the performance levels were initially 2-3% different between them.

But you can be sure that the HD5000 series' success depended a lot on nVidia's fail.

 

[mastrdrver]

Its funny that they canceled GT212 (256 shader part). I've been seeing random comments here and there that a half Fermi (256 shader) is coming soon than everyone is thinking.

 

[nt300]

Nordichardware and VR-Zone(?) have already stated that R900 is a redesign. I think I read Charlie saying this too but I'm not sure where.

Even Tech Report, at the end of their last Fermi article, stated that ATI will need to change to change architecture the next generation to something "similar" to Fermi (I believe it to mean being able to do more than 1 poly/clock).

I would have to agree. AMD is ready to move into something completely new once Bulldozer gets released as a Brand new build from the ground up. Seems AMD is going to do a complete build from the ground up with everything CPU and GPU related. Good move imo, and something to build for the future.