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[FUD] Upgrade GTX 285 to GTX 460??

Discussion in 'NVIDIA' started by qubit, Jun 16, 2010.

  1. qubit

    qubit Overclocked quantum bit

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    I'm wondering if performance will be significantly better than my GTX 285 when overclocked and sold at a good price? I guess we'll find out in a couple of weeks.

    Roll on W1zzard's review. :rockout:

    Fudzilla EDIT: Link now broken. Thanks Fudzilla. :rolleyes:

    EDIT 27AUG10: I've decided to stick with what I've got. Gory details in post 15. :)
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    if u were going to buy a fermi i would go the 470 not 60.
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    And if it unlocks to a 470?... :D
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    well if it did, i dont think you could overclock it as far as a 470 :(


    guess it depends on price weather the extra amount for a 470 would be worth it.
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    I doubt you need to 'upgrade' at all to be honest.


    Stick with what you have and wait for the price drops.
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    I don't think it will unlock anything at all. Those days were over years ago. They don't just disable shaders, they also laser cut them now.

    It'll be stupid to upgrade to a GTX 460 from 285. Very little performance increase for the problems of Fermi. Wait until they release something better or get a... HD 5870? I don't know I can't recommend 9 months old high end card...
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    better up to 480 if you have the money. You do not care and do a long-term investment.
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    Thanks everybody.

    I know that the stock 460 will have performance similar to my 285 or a bit less, but I was wondering if it overclocks very well, it might be significantly faster than my 285 and at a good price to make it worth buying? Having DX11 is also good for playing the odd DX11 game or demo.

    I guess we'll just have to wait for W1zzard's review for the hard facts.
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    afaik its the 465 that unlocks to 470.. and only the evaluation copies are able to. Retail cards are missing memory chips required for an unlock. Would just brick the card. Blind flashing would still be possible though.
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    Don't even think to "Downgrade" to 460. It is really a downgrade
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    yeah take a look at Wiz's reviews of the 465, the gtx285 is faster, being that the 460 is slower than the 465 by a decent margin, you're looking at one hell of a downgrade.

    keep the 285 until you can afford a 470 or better.
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    GTX 460 outperforms the GTX 465 in every test I've seen but is not worth upgrading from a GTX 285 for. Performance is way too similar. I'd sit on your GTX 285 for a while.
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    Performance is really similar with the GTX 460 and the GTX 285 I have owned both. If I had a GTX 285 and was in your shoes.... I would ask myself a couple questions.

    1 Do I really want DX11 ?
    2. Am I a big overclocker.

    If the answers are yes to both of those.... the GTX 460 would be a great upgrade. Also new drivers come out... the GTX 460 will become even more powerful.

    But... If the answer is no to either one of those... I would not up grade.
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    thread necromancy, there are dates on the posts for a reason.
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    qubit Overclocked quantum bit

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    Ok, just to round the discussion off people, I've decided not to buy the GTX 460, or upgrade my GTX 285 at all for now. Basically, since I posed the question, I've spent quite a bit on other things, such as a new laptop (HP dv6-1216sa), monitor (iiyama E2607WS) and printer (Brother HL-2150N).

    When the "GTX 485" 512 shader monster is released and the price comes down from the statosphere, I'll consider upgrading then. Heck, by that time I might replace the CPU, mobo and RAM as well. :D

    Thanks for your replies and advice everyone. :toast:
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    That is the least amount of time I would wait to upgrade. I don't like to upgrade my GPU unless it is at least a twofold improvement. I went from HD 4850 to GTX 470 for example. I'll wait until prices come down on the next twice as powerful card or see if SLI technology has improved and eliminated micro stuttering and consider a second GTX 470.
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    Your waiting strategy seems sound to me; you really wanna get your money's worth from your current purchases.

    On the microstuttering problem, I never saw it (or didn't realise that I had). I had a 9800 GX2 for a while, but I never noticed it. From what I understand from reading a tech article on it once, it only affects animation where the frame rate put out by the card is less than the screen refresh eg 30-45fps on a 60Hz screen. This is supposed to result in uneven stutters I believe. If it's locked to vsync and you get a steady 60fps out of it (ie no dropped frames) then it disappears completely. It certainly looked liquid smooth working like that.
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    Prices on GPUs are insane IMO and shouldn't be more than CPUs. $500 on the best single card GPU? No thanks. If I hadn't gotten a great deal on my GTX 470 (same price as GTX 460 1GB), I wouldn't have bought it.

    The reason you don't see micro stutter with the FPS count locked @ 60 is because your system is producing extra frames to compensate for the uneven frame rate being produced by the two cards. The extra frames fill in the gaps when the frame rate drops off in sequential momentary lapses. ATI has some software that changes the way CF is rendered improving micro stutter, hopefully nVidia has something like that too.
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    The performance of the GTX 460 (single) is about the same as the GTX 280/285/275, with the GTX285 being about 3 to 5 frames faster on older games, and about 3 to 5 frames slower on newer ones. However the GTX 460 takes less of a penalty than the GTX 285 with anti-aliasing and offers DX11.

    That being said, there are some practical considerations that make the GTX 460 attractive:

    *it requires about 24 amps on the 12 volt rail, vs the 36 amps that the GTX 285 requires;
    *it is physically considerably smaller than the GTX 285 and will more easily fit in standard ATX case;
    *it generates less heat than the GTX 285;
    *it can safely run on a good quality 480 watt power supply which would not be advisable with the GTX 285; and
    *it is more scalable with SLI, offering the performance of a GTX 570/480/580 in that configuration (though with stronger PSU).

    So, it not an upgrade. But it is a better choice than the GTX 285 for a budget build as you can buy a cheaper power supply, a smaller case, less ATX case fans, etc.
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    You don't appear to understand how vsync works. The system does not produce any extra frames.

    When you lock your framerate to vertical sync, the system produces a video frame and then sits idle until the next screen refresh, when it produces another. When it can do this fast enough, so that it doesn't miss the next vsync, you get liquid smooth video animation. If it misses frames, then you get judder and it looks crap.

    What you were thinking of, is when vsync unlocked. The system will then freewheel, producing a continuously varying, uneven framerate, which will be either higher or lower than the monitor refresh rate. Playing a game with it in this state is what leads to line tearing, odd judders and other artifacts.

    In short, for gaming, always lock vsync and for benchmarking, always unlock it.

    And by "system", I mean the whole lot working together, not just the video card.

    @Supremo_Lagarto: thanks for that. It always gets me how next gen tech can do the same thing and more, while improving performance in lots of other areas, like you mentioned. :)

    A good example of this is my HD2900XT, a big-ass underperforming card for it's time that used loads of power and ran very hot. Some small cheapie card can now run rings round it in every respect. :laugh:
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