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FX 8350 or i7 4770k

Discussion in 'General Hardware' started by ANIR0X2K00L, Apr 26, 2013.

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Which will u buy for a gaming PC

  1. i7 4770k

    55.2%
  2. fx 8350

    28.7%
  3. wait for amd to release steamroller

    16.1%
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  1. btarunr

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    Then it's i7-4770K for you. I wouldn't wait for Steamroller, I have no reason to think it will be >5% performance over FX-8350.
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    No CPU 4 years ago would be powerful enough to ultilise a modern video card to it's full potential. The best you couldn't have got was a Core 2 Quad which would be playing today's games fine but even so a modern GPU wouldn't be utilised fully.



    Says who? I've been running a crappy Athlon II X4 since 2009, and there isn't a single game it cannot play maxed out today. I could probably hang onto it for another 2 years if I wanted to making 6 years total.


    There is no correct answer. Technology moves so fast so what we recommend today might be a lemon for longevity. IMO the FX would last longer for gaming, in the short distant future you'll get better performance as it'll be paired with a faster GPU and in the long distant future you'll get better performance due to it being a genuine 8 core CPU.
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    ATI crossfire set ups favor intel cpu's.
    Where as Nvidia sli set ups perform better than ATI crossfire on AMD cpu's.

    the 8350 is at least 140 bucks cheaper then that i7.. is it even available yet?
    keep in mind that if you plan to do SLI or crossfire, i'd use an intel system since AMD platform offers diminishing returns... weird huh?

    http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/crossfire-sli-scaling-bottleneck,3471.html

    Read it and weep.

    Dude, seriously?
    If you're playing a game that is CPUdependent, then what you say is true to a point. A core 2 due E8400 will Over clock to 4 ghzand is more than enough CPUfor you to play the games of today.

    That cpu is 7 years old.

    If you plan to run dual GPU's, a system that uses PCIe 1.0 only has enough bandwidth for a single modern GPU. cutting it down to x8x8 will bottleneck your graphics cards.

    any non CPU dependent game will utilized your modern GPU to it's full potential on a CPU from up to 7 years ago.
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    There was NOTHING wrong with his comment. You went out of bounds in your moderation. He was on topic and polite. Your role is not to censor but to keep things civil. He was civil. You owe him an apology.
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    The E8400 is 5 years old. Released January 2008.

    http://ark.intel.com/products/33910

    I was careful with my wording, I wasn't implying that E7400 coupled with a modern GPU couldn't play games well. But just because it can play games well doesn't mean it pushing the GPU to its full potential.

    If an Core 2 Duo could push a modern GPU to it's full potential then a Core 2 Duo E7400 + ATI 7970 would perform identical to an i7 4770k + ATI 7970 in single threaded games. The latter would have double the frame rate whether the game is single thread or not. (That is not to say the former couldn't max out most games, it would) What you're forgeting is an older CPU has slower instructions per clock and access to slower memory bandwidth so even in a single threaded environment it would be signficantly slower.
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    Should we let the forums fill up with comments like "lolwut", "Cheezburgers!" and other useless post like that then? I don't see anything wrong with posting banter either, but I have been in the forum long enough to know what once comments like this creep in, the thread derails within a page and becomes completely useless for OP. Did I censor him? I didn't delete the post (quite a few of us will do that without batting an eyelid). Enough of this sidetracking, if you are not too happy with the way I moderate please feel free to make a complaint, and I shall be judged by the superiors.
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  8. xenocide

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    My Vote:

    Intel i7-4770K

    Reasoning:

    I would take the i7 for a number of reasons. For starters, it will consume less power and generate less heat than the AMD alternative. Nect, you said your primary focus was gaming, there are both quite a few games that favor Intel CPU's due to using abstract instruction sets, and a lot of games that use 4 or less threads--which also favors Intel. The only games I can think of where AMD CPU's are on equal footing and there are up to or more than 8 threads supported, are Battlefield 3 and Metro 2033. Now even with those two titles, BF3 somewhat favors Intel CPU's as well as supporting a maximum of 8 threads--which would lead to the i7 outperforming the FX-8350.

    There's also the fact that even though next-gen consoles will have up to 8 threads available, it doesn't immediately mean every game that comes out will support 8 threads. It will probably take 2-3 more years to see games optimized for that, which means the hardware in question will already be up to 3 years old, and still kicking, at that point, there will be substantially faster hardware available from Intel and AMD, and what you picked at this point will almost seem irrelevant. The fact is almost all games being released this year will probably use 1-4 threads, and most of the games for the next ~3 years will probably use ~4 threads.

    Now there's always the argument about going AMD to save money, because you can always upgrade in the future since they stay on the same socket. Here's what nobody here has mentioned; there is only 1 AM3+ motherboard on Newegg that lists having PCI-Express 3.0 sockets, and it's $200. By comparison, there are dozens of Intel Motherboards that feature them--every 7x series motherboard to be precise starting as low as $75. This means if you upgraded your GPU, you risk a chance at a noticeable bottleneck not too far down the road--sure, current PCI-ex 3.0 GPU's don't take a huge performance hit from dropping down to 2.0, but what about the next generation of GPU's? And what about multi-gpu setups for that matter?

    The obvious retort would be "well he can just buy a new mobo when PCI-express 3.0 is natively supported", but then you're adding additional cost in the foreseeable future--something this guy is explicitly trying to avoid. You'd be looking at buying 2 motherboards, a cpu, and any gpu expenses, and that $100-150 you saved has been completely voided.
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    You have every reason to believe it will give a 15% performance boost overall. With the doubling of decoders and the shortening of the memory channel that is what AMD executives and engineers are predicting. Now single thread performance will be in the area of 6-7 % which is 2 to 3% more than you stated in your erroneous post.
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    No concrete launch window for the consumer versions, and no tests done. Even if its 15% better I believe you are better off getting a 4770K half a year early, at worst case 4770K will be equal to 3770K (which is on average quite a bit better than 8350 in games, and can overclock better). The only advantage Steamroller have (at 15% improvement over Bulldozer) will be price, but I have no reason to believe that the price will be significantly different.
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    SR will be 20-30% better in fully supporting sw and 10-15% in IPC. So, Intel will have heavy competition and everyone with an AM3 mobo the best CPU upgrade EVER... So, everyone should hope that this happens and this scenario has very nice possibility to be seen close to the end of 2013.
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    4770K is not available. You are making assumptions about availability and performance. Fourth quarter begins 10/1/13 That is as little as 5 months away. It certainly won't be coming in December too late for Christmas rush. So it will be October or November. 5-6 months. Hasbeen has been delayed you can't be sure when it will arrive. You can't recommend products until they are tested on real applications. So you are definitely jumping the gun. I still FIRMLY state wait until the dust clears The fellow said he can wait into the 4th quarter why are you showing your Intel fangs so soon??? I hate having to waste time combating FUD (fear, uncertainty, and doubt) the famous PR tactics of the WINTEL crowd. Lets cut the hype down a couple of notches and wait until the 4th quarter. If somebody else needs a computer tomorrow then a recommendation now is necessary and we can see for what purpose the computer is needed and what budget is available and then make an appropriate recommendation
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    Haswell is a month away and there have been plenty of performance leaks. Versus SR which hasnt leaked a thing outside of electrons :)p). WHile both are speculative, one at least has rumors of performance circlating while the other, SR, is a mythical beast at this time regarding performance...One cant hang their hat on anything at this point, but at least Haswell has a nub to make you want to think about it. :D

    small_banksy steam roller.jpg

    EDIT: It sure seems people are looking really REALLY hard to find BIAS in posts... Amazing...
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    If I don't make assumptions on the availability and performance of Steamroller there is absolutely no point in talking about it at all. :rolleyes:

    Given what little we know about Steamroller the expected time gap between it and Haswell is still going to be about half a year, thank you for doing the math for me. No I am not making any assumptions on the expected performance of 4770K, the worst case is that 4770K is a total turd and OP gets a 3770K instead (which is proven to be quite powerful). Or we can expect a slight improvement (on par with 2770K to 3770K), in which case Steamroller needs to work pretty hard in order to catch up with it in gaming.
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    long term 4770K will be better
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    Most likely. It will however be far more expensive. Intel will likely price at the same level of the 3770 or a bit higher. That will enable them to maintain their return on investment. Remember the cpu market is shrinking. So Intel is not likely desirous of lowering the unit pricing
    of the Hasbeen chips.
    So if Steamroller delivers a 15% overall performance improvement over FX Vishera as AMD insists, and 6-7% gain in single threaded performance. it is likely to be much closer to I7 4770k
    performance than Vishera is to I7 3770k. For most productivity apps Vishera is only a hairsbreath behind I7. Apps like winzip,Photoshop, databases etc. In multimedia decoding it is quite a respectable competitor to I7 3770k.

    I have every reason to wait and see. If I am disappointed, I have never had an issue with expressing it here or elsewhere.
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    Remember however, the cost to support Steamroller (mobo with proper VRMs, proper Heatsink to support similar overclocks to IB), assuming its like BD, could drive the cost difference down a bit.

    Thing is, one can wait until XXXXX, but then when they get there, Broadwell is around the corner or AMD's 'tock'...Really, I mirror what a few people said here already and if you are ready now, buy in a month... waiting a month as opposed to AT LEAST 5 is a different ballgame. I'm not sure SR will be worth waiting that long for IMO... and I say SR but that is quite interchangeable really. If SR was coming out in a month I would say wait for that and dont wait for Haswell. ;)
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    No Broadbust is likely at least 2 years off. Pay no mind to the projected release it will be a good deal later than that. It will take 2 years for Intel to make its return on investment in Hasbeen wothwhile. Also Broadbust is a further die shrink. It will be harder each time they shrink the process closer to atomic size.
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    Release dates were not the underlying point in that... the concepts were, note.



    Ya know, for someone who seems to resent bias, you sure do take your jabs at Intel quite a bit without provocation I may add...

    "Broadbust"

    "Hasbeen"

    If you would like to stop bias and argumentative posts, perhaps looking in the mirror is a good place to start. :)
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    I understand where you are coming from on that, but my derision of Intel monikers is not based on lack of performance it is about their monopolistic practices which cause higher cpu prices and slow down technical advances. I have intense hatred of monopoly capitalists and their undue influence on goverment processes. There are many anti-monopoly laws on the books that are not being enforced because of the big money they use to corrupt an already corrupt government. So I have a bias against Intel for that reason alone. If AMD ever fails cpu prices will shoot up further and innovation will slow even further. It is not that I view AMD as a good capitalist. To me they all stink, but I am concerned about technical progress and the cost of commodities that I purchase.
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    I agree with your reasoning, but that isn't an excuse. Just stop it and perhaps people will respond more in kind to your views as, without that, they are mostly rooted in fact.

    Catch you around... its GO TIME! :)
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    I appreciate your response ,I will heed your advice . It's good we found some common ground.
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    can we draw up a conclusion for OP then?! theres been several pages, giving fact and opinion on every stance, amd, intel and amd steamroller.

    would it be best to say to wait, if thats what he wants and to last 5/6 years.
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