Discussion in 'News' started by btarunr, Jul 14, 2011.
FUD travels just as fast too.
One mans fud is another mans fookie... don't ask..
I enjoyed reading the progression of the BD ES chips. I'm very curious how C0 will do.
With a totally brand new chip, with all new parts, with all new tech, with a new process. do you think we are going to get b3's ? I suspect we may see c2 or higher revisions in reality. Its all new, so it was bound to have bugs IIRC it tapped out over the winter which means they have likely been into bug fixs for a while. designing a new micro is no small feat. That siad. I disagree with some statements here about bulldozer having a lower IPC. I think they are looking at the design from the wrong angle.
But we shall see.
True + it's good Photoshop break for laughs (trying to create Web 2.0/3D-like navbar in this prog, so far it pisses me off then helping); thanx for entertainment. roflcopter
Yes i want to see bta do a C0 review too & quite eagerly, but only when this FX-8120/8150 released. Gotta go back to searching for "Creating Glass/Embossed/3D/etc... navbar in Photoshop" tutors. See you all by end of this week.
If this tester is just now getting his C0 i can totally see the top of the line BD being a limited supply run for the first few months of release.
Depends on what ground you are competing. Competing for maximum profits? You are 100% correct. Competing for the performance crown? Couldn't be more wrong.
I don't give a shit about the Camry, I want to know what the Ferrari is doing.
I can't afford a Ferrari, so any time spent looking at it, or even remotely thinking about it, seems pointless.
Camry doesn't work for me either...it's to small to fit my entire family in it.
I mean, if I wanted to be Ben Johnson, I'd take steriods. however, not everyone agrees that taking steriods in professional sports is a good idea.
Funny. Sounds like manufacturer's focus on top performance, may not be so prudent, when compared with real-life situations. I can only hope that the execs that have control over these things, like myself, don't live in fantasy worlds were everyone is rich, and can afford a Ferrari.
Don't know who Ben Johnson is? That's OK, I don't know the point of LN2 benchmarking for performance comparison or marketing, either.
I'm a car enthusiast. When I want to read about cars, I want to read about the fast ones and how they perform against the competition. Doesn't mean I'm gonna buy them, but reading about family sedans is no damn fun.
Just like with computers, when I want to read about them, I want to read about the fast ones and how they compare. I don't want to know what the budget chips can do. The only difference here is, I'm likely much more able to save up money to get the top performer, and will do so if the opportunity arises.
And yes, I remember Ben, and the scandal in Seoul.
Then it should be the job of those that sell them to make them more fun, rather than providing a distraction from the lack of enjoyment.
In my world, you fix problems at the source, not patch things over with bandaids.
Of course, there's always a place in the market for the Ferraris, but that doesn't mean that everyone needs to have a model like it all thier own. Fortunately, the market is large enough that exclusion of such product lines is not only feasible, the remaining segments are such that should not, and cannot, be ignored.
And the largest segment deserves the largest investment. Success comes through sacrifice, but you must never sacrifice too much(like Ben did). Buying a Ferrari, and then living in a cardboard box, is just silly.
So it remains to be seen..is AMD making some sort of sacrifice here? Seems like the time delay was a sacrifice in sales, to me. Are these clockspeeds enough, or did they sacrifice too much? Ferrari, or Camry?
I'm muscle/sports/monster vehicle fan & as long as it have speeds in excess of 200 kmph it's fine by me, but i vote Mustang Shelby 2006 or anything with V10 & 280/300 kmph. Same goes for CPUs: if the Intel currently is like Ferrari & VIA is like Toyota Corolla (which is not bad either - 240 kmph is quite good too), then AMD is Mustang Shelby 2006/2009 with V8 & with excellent speeding (and ramming) abilities. Hello, decided to jump over here to see what comments do you have b4 i'll google for navbar creation tutors.
But if Dozer becomes prototype F1 bolid of CPU & still sold like great muscle car - that would be real funny, if not hillarious (in a good way).
What I'm liking from AMD is the platform itself. The AM3 backward compatibility on a completely new microarch. I mean, it should be like a Mustang Shelby which was owned by someone who never used it. I feel it that way.
Mmmmm.... Mustang Shelby w/V10 or better V12-type of current AMD CPU & still no company have a time to optimize any apps for it, just for Intel with HT; beats me. Atleast there's now one app (actually it's a game & it starts with C lol) that uses multicore CPUs to extent so i hope to see this app running & optimized for both Dozer & SB/IB; numbers like that suppose to determine how good or bad the competition is. And if SisSandra & other CPU benchmarking apps will include optimizations for both Intel's & AMD's upcoming CPUs as well - the better. Off-topic: Mustang Shelby costs ~190000 sheckels in Israel; 190000 divide by 3.5 & you'll get the price in USD; drives just as fast & doesn't cost a fortune like Ferrarys & other sports cars that cost 500000 - 1000000 sheckels. Same should be with CPUs. Just my 2 cents, though. Thanx Thefumigator.
Bulldozer isn't a Shelby.
Bd is more like a V8. It has high power consumption and is a bitch to cool
Sandy Bridge is a Turbod 4cyl. Doesn't eat a lot of power and can hit 5ghz on air
Hope to see that when new Dozer info is out; hope by end of this month there will be news when it's released for real & what real specs each CPU (FX-8xxx/6xxx/4xxx) will have. And i hope the Dozer is not Shelby but rather F1 bolid instead. Plus i love the 3.1GHz to 4.0GHz Turbo mode (not that it needed when you decide to go over 4.0GHz). Right now my current CPU (Phenom II 965BE) is close to Shelby 2005/2006 with V8/10 after 4.0GHz OC.
A Phenom II X4 is close to a Ford Fiesta at no matter what clock speed
Something i just came up & also something for us to laugh at: to beat Ferrary - say - 2011 on it's own field one have to be either...... a Ferrary 2012 or something close to 2012 F1 bolid. I hope FX-8150/8120 will be something between Ferrary 2012 & 2012 F1 bolid. Atleast the specs of those two say they're pretty much that fast. Ford Fiesta? Still fast, but not as Shelby. Though i wanna see how my current CPU will run when paired with Sabertooth 990FX, 2x4GB DDR3 1600MHz, Indigo Extreme ETI & AX1200W PSU; bet close to Shelby 2005. Plus i think that i prooved myself as Mustang fan now, didn't i?
P.S. Photoshop/Crysis/Bioshock (giving you few of the apps i have) doesn't give that much of a flying f*** bout CPU rather GPUs when at 1920x1200 (excluding Photoshop); with 2xGTX 460s SLI they run like champs though OC'd CPU is favored too.
Xbit labs Article on BD
Rehash of old info for hits. You posted why? Same info is in the OP...
Old info? I thought it was brand new. My bad guys
It's NEW TO ME!!!!!!!!
Sure, because you never posted in this thread before...:shadedshu
This is so important, I'mma gonna post it again.
I think AMd is building a corvette zr1 2011 model and you'd have to compare it to other exoctics to see why its such a tremndous car, I think the 4 and 6 core cpu's will be like lower level corvettes.
But thats just my impression, not the ferrari pricetag.
Just because i post doesn't mean i read every post.
But it says right in the article that it's FUD, and you still posted. No offense man, but really? Maybe I'm taking this a bit too seriously, but man....
In order to somehow settle down (even though i admit i don't have the rights to tell you what to think/do true, merely giving you opinion) the thing that's going in here (Pestilence vs rest of TPU members/staff, lol jk) here's what i can say: following apps have to be tested on FX-8xxx/6xxx/etc - Crysis 1 & 2, 3DMarkVantage/11, all CPU apps suite TPU uses while compared head-to-head with SB-E & numbers monitored; this will be the only legitimate indicator of Dozer's performance & this will only happen when those 8/6/4-cored Dozers will be released. The only thing left is to find out official (and not FUDed) info from AMD itself. What planned by AMD in August? If anyone of you knows you better tell, cause that will be legitimate too. Why August? Cause it's Q3 (Q4?) 2011 which is close enough to that rev. B2/C0 release date of CPUs judging by this thread. Just need to wait for end of this month/beginning of August official Dozer info. to all.
this is on the AMD facebook page
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