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Gabe Newell Calls Windows 8 a "Catastrophe"

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  1. Ravenas

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    http://allthingsd.com/20120725/valves-gabe-newell-on-the-future-of-games-wearable-computers-windows-8-and-more/

    I agree 100% with it being a catastrophe.
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    Why? From what I've seen, they are definitely trying to "boil the ocean", and already have 2 major OS's for software vendors to support (ok a lot more with 64 and 32 bit permutations and if you count Vista). I can't speak to the usability of Win 8 myself, I haven't even looked at the Beta.
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    This was what impressed me most in the entire article

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    :laugh: I lol'ed when I read that. I wish there was a picture.
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    Thank you captain obvious. :toast:
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    Steam's not an operating system/operating environment.
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    Hes a hypocrite that all I'm saying.

    Its a platform and its closed as hell.
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    Just from the screenshots I haven't even bothered to do any beta testing on it. I'm rather afraid to have to deal with it being a sys admin. Maybe I can convince the big boss man to skip this version. :laugh:
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    It extremely closed. However, it is also extremely open in a sense that it provides an outlet for indie developers out there to actually sell their product to a mass maket that they might have otherwise not had the chance to do.
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    Its the same with most "app" stores. Valve is it afraid MS might be stepping on thier toes.
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    Have you seen the Xbox8's specs? This thing is designed to replace the home PC in an effort to "monetize" everything you do on the PC. Xbox live and Zune and all the other crap they do on a proprietary PC designed by actuary.

    This is not the same as steam. Steam may be closed and a form of DRM, but it doesn't attempt to make things which were previously free and make them proprietary.
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    You won't have to do much convinicing. The Windows 8 is built for touch users. Honestly, that is how you get the best experience out of it. Otherwise, just stay with Windows 7.

    Microsoft could imposs a DirectX standard on Windows and make people want to upgrade. Similar to what happened from Windows XP to Vista.
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    Xbox 8 Specs? Really?

    Yeah good luck sticking with Windows 7 forever.
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    They have been stepping on Valve's toes for some time now. Take "Games for Windows Live". Microsoft is doing something that developers are already doing on their platform.


    Forever is a harsh word MailMan. :laugh: Windows 9 maybe?
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    No kidding, Windows 9 will be in Beta a week after Windows 8 hits the shelves.
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    No it wont. You guys are kinda blind where the industry is going. iOS, OSX will soon be merging. Windows 8 is just taking that step sooner. Desktops and tablets will all soon share the same OS. This is all going to cloud computing. What you are seeing in Windows 8 is the future guys. Love it or hate it the game is changing.
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    Lul. Comparing an OS to a software application is dumb. U should feel dumb. :slap:
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    Apple has done the same thing with Lion and Mountain Lion you just seem to downplay this fact.

    Anyhow, it is obvious this is happening. It makes the operating system evolve from a dedicated "Windows only" platform to an ecosystem for many many consumer products. Great... Awesome. However, I don't want to spend 10 minutes searching for applications that can be found in 30 seconds max on Windows 7 all because I don't want to use a touch screen. Seriously, I don't want to play Starcraft 2 on a touch screen. I don't want to use Solid Works on a touch screen. I don't want to do jack sh*t on my computer with a touch screen. I like doing that on iPad or iPhone. However, not on my desktop.
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    I love having to spell this out to people. The Xbox is designed to replace the Home PC since most people use it as a multimedia device. The people who run any productivity software will have to buy a different PC, but for most people, the Xbox will be a PC that runs everything they need it to. The Xbox will be a host to a ton of "monetized" services, You'll need xbox live for internet access, and a host of other subscription services. All this on a software platform you can't replace (secure boot).

    Windows 8 is an attempt for all of those monetized services to be the norm on your PC courtesy of secure boot. They don't need to allow the platform to remain open for other developers any longer if they can close the PC platform on the software side.

    I'm not going to go into the whole explanation because it's too long, but the Xbox is a cheap PC that serves most people's purposes with tons of subscription content attached.

    If they can close the platform up, they don't have to let developers write anything for the platform. Services like steam could just be denied access.
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    Ever heard of Steambox? No? :rolleyes:

    You don't need a touch screen for Windows 8. Its just cross platform thats it. It just takes you longer to find things because its new. Not because its slower. OSX is behind windows 8 in this aspect.

    They are also closing it to deter piracy. I have no issue with it because I pay for everything. I guess its ok for Apple and Valve but not MS?
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    To some extent yes, the install base for windows is much larger. If it becomes the norm, many services we're used to being free may not be anymore. We already pay for an ISP, should we need to pay a gatekeeper (for Xbox live) just because they wrote that limitation in?
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    You are free to use Linux.
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    Gabe just wants to promote his closed-source Linux DRM, so he can make more billions

    Apparently mentioning "Windows 8 sucks" gets his statement posted everywhere -> more people now know that there is Steam for Linux, next he can go to publishers and say "look everybody knows about Linux Steam. If you make a crap console port to Linux, we will only take 50% of the game cost as service fee for Steam"
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