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Gaming performance of 4ghz Bulldozer ES vs i7-990X

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So this means AMD should just give up and quit?
People also said they won't have a chance against Nehalem but I see them doing just fine.
It will be hard to compete with S2011 yes, but you are saying that like if BD will be at P4 performance levels and have no chance whatsoever. Don't forget AMD doesn't have so much cash to throw at R&D as Intel.

I don't think that is what he is saying. My take on what he is saying, and also what I believe is gonna happen is BD will be able to compete with Nehalem, and possibly SB, but Intel's Ivy Bridge CPUs, which are coming soon, are gonna be faster. I personally won't actually consider BD a fail if it can compete with Nehalem, but it'll still be a lose for AMD as Intel will continue to have the fastest chip available in Ivy Bridge. Personally, I wan't the see BD pitted against a 2600k SB chip at equal clock speeds.

Trust me, I'd love to see AMD be able to compete with Ivy Bridge, but I just don't see that happening.
 
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I don't think that is what he is saying. My take on what he is saying, and also what I believe is gonna happen is BD will be able to compete with Nehalem, and possibly SB, but Intel's Ivy Bridge CPUs, which are coming soon, are gonna be faster. I personally won't actually consider BD a fail if it can compete with Nehalem, but it'll still be a lose for AMD as Intel will continue to have the fastest chip available in Ivy Bridge. Personally, I wan't the see BD pitted against a 2600k SB chip at equal clock speeds.

Trust me, I'd love to see AMD be able to compete with Ivy Bridge, but I just don't see that happening.

I agree It won't be the fastest out there but at least it will narrow that gap a little.
Isn't IB Q2 2012 or I missed something.
 
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I agree It won't be the fastest out there but at least it will narrow that gap a little.
Isn't IB Q2 2012 or I missed something.

I thought it was Q1 2012. I could be wrong.
 
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Sorry but where are you getting this info from, i am not saying your wrong though some kind of proof to back up what your saying might go down better than the big glitch red font thing you did :wtf:


Google, Bulldozer ES Crippled

The mainstream consent is that

A1, B0, B1 are all crippled

that is why AMD Bulldozer has an accelerated growth compared to The dreadfully long 3 years before something new

2 years from now we will be looking at what, K20?

The ES Bulldozers are completely different to the mainstream consent of Production Bulldozers

ES Bulldozers lowest clock
is 2.4GHz

Production Bulldozers lowest clock
is 3.5GHz

8130P Production is 3.8GHz
while
8130P ES is 2.6GHz/2.8GHz/3.0GHz/3.1GHz

I thought it was Q1 2012. I could be wrong.

LGA1155 IB is Q1 2012

LGA2011 IB is Q3 2012
 
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I don't think that is what he is saying. My take on what he is saying, and also what I believe is gonna happen is BD will be able to compete with Nehalem, and possibly SB, but Intel's Ivy Bridge CPUs, which are coming soon, are gonna be faster. I personally won't actually consider BD a fail if it can compete with Nehalem, but it'll still be a lose for AMD as Intel will continue to have the fastest chip available in Ivy Bridge. Personally, I wan't the see BD pitted against a 2600k SB chip at equal clock speeds.

Trust me, I'd love to see AMD be able to compete with Ivy Bridge, but I just don't see that happening.

Yes, that's what I was getting at.
 
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Lol, still slower than Nehalem.


i think you are talking still lower than 1200$ cpu.

If that righ that's mean it's big move for AMD and beat intel cuz AMD cpu will be priced around 400$.
Leave 3 FPS for 800$ i will accpet this.
 
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i think you are talking still lower than 1200$ cpu.

If that righ that's mean it's big move for AMD and beat intel cuz AMD cpu will be priced around 400$.
Leave 3 FPS for 800$ i will accpet this.

It doesn't matter

the 990X doesn't scale well

The 2600K and 2500K with 33% and 66% less threads absolutely destroys the 990X

Even the i5-2400 at stock destroys the 990X
 
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It doesn't matter

the 990X doesn't scale well

The 2600K and 2500K with 33% and 66% less threads absolutely destroys the 990X

Even the i5-2400 at stock destroys the 990X

I hope you are talking about single thread performance here.
 
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Well i dont think those games they benched use the extras cores of the bulldozer. Wait till games are optimised for 8 cores and 6 cores and then you will see improvements. Plus there isnt any proof here its just random benchmarks.

Wait till they compare it to a 2500k with a production chip not engineering sample.
 
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I hope you are talking about single thread performance here.

well....single threaded performance goes up....
Multi-threaded Video Transcoding H.264 (DTS5.1) to x.264 AC3 5.1
980X in handbrake gets 28.11 FPS
2600K - 21.65 FPS
2500K - 16.32 FPS

28.11/12 = 2.343 FPS per thread
21.65/8 = 2.71 FPS per thread
16.32/4 = 4.08 FPS per core

and the more threads/cores you get the more performance you get!

Single thread performance goes up!

Multithread Performance goes up!

You can't have just Multithread Performance go up on a Intel cpu
 
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well....single threaded performance goes up....

980X in handbrake gets 28.11 FPS
2600K - 21.65 FPS
2500K - 16.32 FPS

28.11/12 = 2.343 FPS per thread
21.65/8 = 2.71 FPS per thread
16.32/4 = 4.08 FPS per core

and the more threads/cores you get the more performance you get!

Single thread performance goes up!

Multithread Performance goes up!

You can't have just Multithread Performance go up

I know that both goes up, but you said that a 2600k absolutely destroys the 990x (even the 2400) well in single thread yes but when you utilize the 990x to 100%, it (the 990x) destroys SB.
But yes I agree SB is very good compared to 990x (even better is the price/performance ratio)

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I know that both goes up, but you said that a 2600k absolutely destroys the 990x (even the 2400) well in single thread yes but when you utilize the 990x to 100%, it (the 990x) destroys SB.
But yes I agree SB is very good compared to 990x (even better is the price/performance ratio)

:toast:

and if that price/performance flows to LGA 2011

expect $480~ hexa-cores

SB absolutely destroys Westmere
 
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SB absolutely destroys Westmere

Not in multithread.


http://www.anandtech.com/show/4083/...core-i7-2600k-i5-2500k-core-i3-2100-tested/17

But let's stay on topic here.
 

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There is no topic, this is all BS.


Remember boys and girls, when the hype is too much, and you buy into it, you generally end up disappointed.

As far as I am concerned, this doesn't even deserve a thread, we already got this info in the Bulldozer thread. Is that how it is now, you want a thread for every rumour?

How many Bulldozer threads do we need? I'mma gonna vote this thread gets closed.
 

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There is no topic, this is all BS.


Remember boys and girls, when the hype is too much, and you buy into it, you generally end up disappointed.

As far as I am concerned, this doesn't even deserve a thread, we already got this info in the Bulldozer thread. Is that how it is now, you want a thread for every rumour?

How many Bulldozer threads do we need? I'mma gonna vote this thread gets closed.

I agree. Waste of bandwidth.
 
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I agree. Waste of bandwidth.

It's not a total waste. I use these threads on my ESL students to help them distingish between fact and opinion.

Thanks everyone....:toast:
 
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lol, in multithread....

Don't go off topic and show an 8 thread beating a 12 thread

:rockout:

i7 2600K = 2860 CBMarks per thread
i7 980X = 2250 CBMarks per thread

If you do the maths

SB beats out Westmere proving me right...I speak over generalized but I am getting dead accurate here

i7 SB 12T = 34312.5 CBMarks(It will get higher than this just telling)
i7 Westmere 12T = 27056

There is no topic, this is all BS.

Remember boys and girls, when the hype is too much, and you buy into it, you generally end up disappointed.

As far as I am concerned, this doesn't even deserve a thread, we already got this info in the Bulldozer thread. Is that how it is now, you want a thread for every rumour?

How many Bulldozer threads do we need? I'mma gonna vote this thread gets closed.

Bull$$$$

The Hype is negative....people who are taking it positive are people who understand the improvement over K10.5 instead of comparing it to the Intel's Nehalem/Westmere....
 

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lol, in multithread....

Don't go off topic and show an 8 thread beating a 12 thread

:rockout:

i7 2600K = 2860 CBMarks per thread
i7 980X = 2250 CBMarks per thread

If you do the maths

SB beats out Westmere proving me right...I speak over generalized but I am getting dead accurate here

i7 SB 12T = 34312.5 CBMarks(It will get higher than this just telling)
i7 Westmere 12T = 27056



Bull$$$$

The Hype is negative....people who are taking it positive are people who understand the improvement over K10.5 instead of comparing it to the Intel's Nehalem/Westmere....

I'll make sure to put in a good word at intel marketing for ya, since they seem to be signing your check.
 
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lol, in multithread....

Don't go off topic and show an 8 thread beating a 12 thread

:rockout:

i7 2600K = 2860 CBMarks per thread
i7 980X = 2250 CBMarks per thread

If you do the maths

SB beats out Westmere proving me right...I speak over generalized but I am getting dead accurate here

i7 SB 12T = 34312.5 CBMarks(It will get higher than this just telling)
i7 Westmere 12T = 27056



Bull$$$$

The Hype is negative....people who are taking it positive are people who understand the improvement over K10.5 instead of comparing it to the Intel's Nehalem/Westmere....

Well we are off topic anyway :) but maybe we just misunderstood each other.

Yes I agree when comparing core per core (SB vs Westmere), SB beats the crap out of it .

One question about the 12T SB (SB-E): how much of a performance impact does the large cache have? I think SB-E will have around 20MB cache (correct me if I'm wrong I'm taking a wild guess here, I believe that there were some numbers floating around but can't remember), and also what other variables can affect performance (since SB-E won't be core per core the same as SB, I'm guessing).
 
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Well we are off topic anyway :) but maybe we just misunderstood each other.

Yes I agree when comparing core per core (SB vs Westmere), SB beats the crap out of it .

One question about the 12T SB (SB-E): how much of a performance impact does the large cache have? I think SB-E will have around 20MB cache (correct me if I'm wrong I'm taking a wild guess here, I believe that there were some numbers floating around but can't remember), and also what other variables can affect performance (since SB-E won't be core per core the same as SB, I'm guessing).

Sandy Bridge Core is the same it might have a different code word for it....but I think they like "xxx" Bridge

Known differences about Sandy Bridge-E from Sandy Bridge -M/P...If there is any differences other than below I haven't dived into it yet

Larger L3
DMI 2.0 5GT/s -> QPI 12.8GT/s
Dual Channel DDR3 1333 -> Quad Channel DDR3 1600
 
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The Hype is negative....people who are taking it positive are people who understand the improvement over K10.5 instead of comparing it to the Intel's Nehalem/Westmere....

Yeha, but you know, until things are official, you can't really say who is better, and who isn't.


All i can think of is all the times in the past that cards/CPUs were hyped, and then turned out to be not true, and many people were upset about that.

Don't want to see that situation again, as it's not really fair to the companies these rumours surround.

I mean, I hope all these are true, but there's no way currently to confirm.
 
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Well, at least in this instance people are hyping that it will suck. They will either have their opinions confirmed or they will be pleasantly surprised. Either way, AMD doesn't lose out really.
 
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Yeha, but you know, until things are official, you can't really say who is better, and who isn't.


All i can think of is all the times in the past that cards/CPUs were hyped, and then turned out to be not true, and many people were upset about that.

Don't want to see that situation again, as it's not really fair to the companies these rumours surround.

I mean, I hope all these are true, but there's no way currently to confirm.

Nicely written. Similar happened with HD6970 launch AFAIK.

But surely Bulldozer will be better than Phenom II, but you never know :laugh:
 

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If the final production BD manages to beat a 2600K quite easily whats stopping intel from releasing a locked I7 2800 with 6c/12ht and clock it at 3.6Ghz?

I know intel would probably never do it but shit it would be awesome
 
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If the final production BD manages to beat a 2600K quite easily whats stopping intel from releasing a locked I7 2800 with 6c/12ht and clock it at 3.6Ghz?

I know intel would probably never do it but shit it would be awesome

Intel is already planning a strategy like that with SB-E. The problem is that prices are expected to be pretty high.
 
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