GeForce 8800GTS terrible performance?

[Mussels]

dude - YOUR tests dont mean squat. AVERAGE is the AVERAGE frame rate, calculated based on min and max - if min and/or max change, the average will change. Just because your results 'didnt change much' doesnt mean that the word average has changed its meaning.

 

[Wile E]

LOL no... because.. f.e.a.r stress test shows average is gpu limited.. the minimum is gpu/cpu limited.. the minimum is how low the framerate dropped with the most action going on.

Mussels is right, if you raise the minimum fps, the overall average will also technically increase, as the average includes the minimum in it's calculations. The increase may not be a huge amount, but it's still an increase. Now, this is very simplified, but for example, the average of 60 and 22 would be 41, but the average of 60 and 30 would be 45. I know the FEAR benchmark averages together many more numbers than that, so the effects might be be as profound, but any increase is better than none.

 

[bigafroyo]

Mussels is right, if you raise the minimum fps, the overall average will also technically increase, as the average includes the minimum in it's calculations. The increase may not be a huge amount, but it's still an increase. Now, this is very simplified, but for example, the average of 60 and 22 would be 41, but the average of 60 and 30 would be 45. I know the FEAR benchmark averages together many more numbers than that, so the effects might be be as profound, but any increase is better than none.

yea.. the average might increase about .1 fps.. but cpu speed increases minimum more than average.

 

[Wile E]

yea.. the average might increase about .1 fps.. but cpu speed increases minimum more than average.

Which helps alleviate choppiness and slowdowns. So why are you so against raising the minimum fps?

 

[bigafroyo]

Which helps alleviate choppiness and slowdowns. So why are you so against raising the minimum fps?

actuallly ram helps choppiness and better graphics processing unit, a decent cpu is all that is needed with any card.

you definitly need more ram.

playing quake 4 at 1600x1200 x4 aa x16 af on ultra quality textures isnt playable with 1gb, throw in another 1gb and it's butter smooth.

 

[Wile E]

But the point of the matter is that a faster cpu does help. Other things do too, obviously, but overclocking is free. Better memory kits and gpus cost money.

 

[bigafroyo]

overclocking does help alittle, but it's not worth the results are poor and stressing cpu and memory for little performance gain , just run cpu at stock clocks and gpu, better off..plus if you ever want better performance just upgrade lol...when it becomes really dated because alittle overclocking anit gonna help a dated cpu/gpu.

 

[Wile E]

I think it's perfectly worth it. It get a performance boost for free, and I have no stability issues, whatsoever. If you don't push too much voltage and can keep it cool, it has very little effect on the life span as well. By the time I burn this thing up, I'll probably be ready to upgrade again, anyway.

 

[Schnookums]

But the point of the matter is that a faster cpu does help.

Agreed. This 9550 is nothing without a decent CPU. And as you can see in my specs...I have a netburst CPU Horrible :shadedshu

 

[pt]

overclocking does help alittle, but it's not worth the results are poor and stressing cpu and memory for little performance gain , just run cpu at stock clocks and gpu, better off..plus if you ever want better performance just upgrade lol...when it becomes really dated because alittle overclocking anit gonna help a dated cpu/gpu.

a example that overclocking the cpu compensates big time in games:

i had my 3000+ at stock and a x1800gto at stock
and in rtw, in nmight battle it was choppy and haad slowdowns, lots of them special when flaming arrows where fired, then, after i overclocked to 2.7 and the ram from 533 to 800, i was able to play at max settings in every night battle with lots of troops with no lag at all, and the gfx was still stock
how do you explain this?

 

[Schnookums]

a example that overclocking the cpu compensates big time in games:

i had my 3000+ at stock and a x1800gto at stock
and in rtw, in nmight battle it was choppy and haad slowdowns, lots of them special when flaming arrows where fired, then, after i overclocked to 2.7 and the ram from 533 to 800, i was able to play at max settings in every night battle with lots of troops with no lag at all, and the gfx was still stock
how do you explain this?

Wow..I can't wait to OC my Pentium D on my other PC Waiting for P5B Deluxe...

 

[WarEagleAU]

Guess you have your answer

 

[pt]

Wow..I can't wait to OC my Pentium D on my other PC Waiting for P5B Deluxe...

the hp one that also has a x850 and a coolermaster case?
now be my slave

 

[Mussels]

On overclocking and performance: The venice 3000+ was poo cause its stock speed was 1.8Ghz, the 3200+ was 2Ghz - 200Mhz for 200PR gain. Later models increased only a little, so the 3000+ was more like a 2900+, rather slow.

Anyway- most overclockers increase teh cooling, making the rig cooler than stock anyway, therefore it will last LONGER than if left alone at stock. Benchmark your OC: if you add 50Mhz at the cost of 10C of heat, it aint worth it - for the same 10C if you get 500Mhz and a 20% speed boost, thats worth keeping.

 

[pt]

On overclocking and performance: The venice 3000+ was poo cause its stock speed was 1.8Ghz, the 3200+ was 2Ghz - 200Mhz for 200PR gain. Later models increased only a little, so the 3000+ was more like a 2900+, rather slow.

Anyway- most overclockers increase teh cooling, making the rig cooler than stock anyway, therefore it will last LONGER than if left alone at stock. Benchmark your OC: if you add 50Mhz at the cost of 10C of heat, it aint worth it - for the same 10C if you get 500Mhz and a 20% speed boost, thats worth keeping.

what about 50% overclock and 0ºc hotter 'cause i bought a new cooler

 

[Irish_PXzyan]

Ok so..basicaly..I can OC my AThlon 64 3200+ 2.0Ghz up from stock without getting any fancy cooling system for it??
Ok so...Can someone give me a link to download a program or whatever is needed to OC the CPU and to keep an eye on the temps??? many thanks.

 

[pt]

Ok so..basicaly..I can OC my AThlon 64 3200+ 2.0Ghz up from stock without getting any fancy cooling system for it??
Ok so...Can someone give me a link to download a program or whatever is needed to OC the CPU and to keep an eye on the temps??? many thanks.

yep, to about 2.4/2.5 with stock
use bios to overclock cpu, and systool/speed fan/coretemp. beta to watch temps

 

[Beomagi]

Ok so..basicaly..I can OC my AThlon 64 3200+ 2.0Ghz up from stock without getting any fancy cooling system for it??
Ok so...Can someone give me a link to download a program or whatever is needed to OC the CPU and to keep an eye on the temps??? many thanks.

you dont need a program (thought there's clockgen), you can simply use the motherboard bios
here's a program you can google for : prime 95 - use it to stress your cpu to test stability.

in your bios, you should see something like FSB (though ath64 and other hammers don't use an fsb) or HTT bus or something at 200MHz. That's the stock speed of the main bus clock.

There should be an HTT multiplier in the bios - for most 939 mobos, it's 5. lower it to 4, because above 1000MHZ (base x htt multiplier) instability can occur, and you REALLY dont see any penalty for lowering it.

lower your ram ratios as well - if you increse the main bus, your ram speed will increase.

now start increasing the main bus by say 10MHz. each time, run prime 95 on max cpu to stress it for 10 minutes or so. if it fails, try increasing the cpu voltage - dont exceed 10% on stock cooling, less the merrier. and keep an eye on temps.

continue increasing the cpu speed until you're at the maximum stable/maximum voltage/temp you get. Determine the new memory speed - some mobo's will use ratios, other will state the actual spee din the bios, some just use settings - they'd say 533fsb or something.

use a program like cpu-z (google) to show you your ram speed. new ram speed = unoverclocked ram speed (you should be on a lower ratio prior to oc!) * (new fsb/old fsb)
you can try increasing the ram ratio to see if it's going to work well, prime95 can test memory too.

 

[DOM]

you dont need a program (thought there's clockgen), you can simply use the motherboard bios
here's a program you can google for : prime 95 - use it to stress your cpu to test stability.

in your bios, you should see something like FSB (though ath64 and other hammers don't use an fsb) or HTT bus or something at 200MHz. That's the stock speed of the main bus clock.

There should be an HTT multiplier in the bios - for most 939 mobos, it's 5. lower it to 4, because above 1000MHZ (base x htt multiplier) instability can occur, and you REALLY dont see any penalty for lowering it.

lower your ram ratios as well - if you increse the main bus, your ram speed will increase.

now start increasing the main bus by say 10MHz. each time, run prime 95 on max cpu to stress it for 10 minutes or so. if it fails, try increasing the cpu voltage - dont exceed 10% on stock cooling, less the merrier. and keep an eye on temps.

continue increasing the cpu speed until you're at the maximum stable/maximum voltage/temp you get. Determine the new memory speed - some mobo's will use ratios, other will state the actual spee din the bios, some just use settings - they'd say 533fsb or something.

use a program like cpu-z (google) to show you your ram speed. new ram speed = unoverclocked ram speed (you should be on a lower ratio prior to oc!) * (new fsb/old fsb)
you can try increasing the ram ratio to see if it's going to work well, prime95 can test memory too.

you can find all that here "google"

http://www.techpowerup.com/downloads/

 

[Irish_PXzyan]

Ok I downloaded Prime 95...ill just wait till meh mate comes on and he will guide me threw it with care

Thanks for your help ladies

 

[Flow]

clockgen is excellent for trying out how far you can go,when your system locks up you simply have to reboot.Change values too high in bios and you can reset the cmos by jumper or button on mainboard,or remove the cmos battery for short time.

Just keep in mind when raising the fsb,your memory goes up also.So you might wanna lower the cas latencies for your memory or lower the fsb for memory in bios,then you can raise the cpu fsb.

Happened to me a few times I forgot to raise the overvolting for vcore or lower the memory settings,making clockgen lockup hard.

 

[cdawall]

AHAHAHAH...the cpu never increases the average framerate only the minimum by a few frames.. no big deal... plus at really high res which you should be using 8800 gts with cpu means even less.

pls stop posting you are spitting out the wrong idea you starting to sound like RPG you had 1VIDEO CARD Benchmark that was it and as the name sais it was for VideoCards


OH and s754 newcastles are VERY hard to oc consistantly well 2.45ghz max 2.48ghz on my X newcastle they are very voltage tempramental and the stepping makes a HUGE diff
newest stepping does 2.45ghz (PIB cooling) @1.65V
oldest stepping does 2.48ghz (PIB cooling) @1.58V

 

[bigafroyo]

pls stop posting you are spitting out the wrong idea you starting to sound like RPG you had 1VIDEO CARD Benchmark that was it and as the name sais it was for VideoCards


OH and s754 newcastles are VERY hard to oc consistantly well 2.45ghz max 2.48ghz on my X newcastle they are very voltage tempramental and the stepping makes a HUGE diff
newest stepping does 2.45ghz (PIB cooling) @1.65V
oldest stepping does 2.48ghz (PIB cooling) @1.58V

umm ok, my 3200+ s939 winchester first 90nm a64 does 2.0 ghz stock to 2.6 ghz @ 1.5 vcore and my s939 venice does 2.4 ghz stock to 3.0 ghz @ 1.6.vcore

i cant even tell the difference from stock/overclocked... like i said performance gain from overclocking is crap.

 

[bigafroyo]

you dont need a program (thought there's clockgen), you can simply use the motherboard bios
here's a program you can google for : prime 95 - use it to stress your cpu to test stability.

in your bios, you should see something like FSB (though ath64 and other hammers don't use an fsb) or HTT bus or something at 200MHz. That's the stock speed of the main bus clock.

There should be an HTT multiplier in the bios - for most 939 mobos, it's 5. lower it to 4, because above 1000MHZ (base x htt multiplier) instability can occur, and you REALLY dont see any penalty for lowering it.

lower your ram ratios as well - if you increse the main bus, your ram speed will increase.

now start increasing the main bus by say 10MHz. each time, run prime 95 on max cpu to stress it for 10 minutes or so. if it fails, try increasing the cpu voltage - dont exceed 10% on stock cooling, less the merrier. and keep an eye on temps.

continue increasing the cpu speed until you're at the maximum stable/maximum voltage/temp you get. Determine the new memory speed - some mobo's will use ratios, other will state the actual spee din the bios, some just use settings - they'd say 533fsb or something.

use a program like cpu-z (google) to show you your ram speed. new ram speed = unoverclocked ram speed (you should be on a lower ratio prior to oc!) * (new fsb/old fsb)
you can try increasing the ram ratio to see if it's going to work well, prime95 can test memory too.

lowering the hypertransport speed decreases performance.

 

[Beomagi]

umm ok, my 3200+ s939 winchester first 90nm a64 does 2.0 ghz stock to 2.6 ghz @ 1.5 vcore and my s939 venice does 2.4 ghz stock to 3.0 ghz @ 1.6.vcore

i cant even tell the difference from stock/overclocked... like i said performance gain from overclocking is crap.

for games i'd agree, but for video encoding it's a godsend.

as far as HTT clock making a difference - try it yourself. I can drop it to x3 from x4 and my scores and times to encode are within the usual variance. virtually nil.