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GK104 Faster then the HD7970! But not really???

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What are those guy's smoking? "45% increase in performance compared to 7970" really? They expect me to believe that? More Fanboi fodder from the green team :shadedshu

The only thing that look's valid is the pricing, IMHO it has been Nvidia keeping the price's up on GFX card's. I think AMD was trying to bring the cost down but saw that people were still willing to pay a premium so. When in Rome....
 
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What are those guy's smoking? "45% increase in performance compared to 7970" really? They expect me to believe that? More Fanboi fodder from the green team :shadedshu

The only thing that look's valid is the pricing, IMHO it has been Nvidia keeping the price's up on GFX card's. I think AMD was trying to bring the cost down but saw that people were still willing to pay a premium so. When in Rome....

Well if you look at the number of Stream processors or CUDA cores or whatever its double the amount of a GTX580 so it's totally plausible. And yeah, prices are very much NV.
 

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What are those guy's smoking? "45% increase in performance compared to 7970" really? They expect me to believe that? More Fanboi fodder from the green team :shadedshu

Erm... 45% over HD7970 is 60% over GTX580, not far fetched at all. GTX580 is really close to 2x GTX 285 . GTX 285 was "only" 60% faster than 8800/9800 but was made on the same process 65nm.

What are YOU smoking for being so sure that Kepler won't be at least 50% faster than Fermi, when almost every single generation before has attained that 50% increase and then some??

Fermi was on a new process, but was troubled and they made a huge mistake in the interconnect layer. 28 nm is not as troubled (if at all) and without the screw up in the interconect layer, you can expect even better performance.
 
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Just being realistic, performance increase's are always welcomed! Have seen enough of this type of marketing to know that usually it is "optimistic" at best, still waiting for actual product's/performance #'s :)

In theory everything is possible
 

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Just being realistic

Realistic, based on what? We have nothing to compare with, other than previous generations.

The only 28 nm GPU released so far is Tahiti and this one does not count for a fair comparison. There's a very good reason that it's "only" 30% faster than previous AMD's generation. They wanted/had to finally include all the compute goodies and since they wanted to mantain a <<400 mm2, they were only able to put 2048 SPs on it. They also had to increase the bus to 384 bit, a 50% increase. IF GK110 is 512 bit (which I tend to doubt) that would only be a 33% increase over GF100/110.

Nvidia does not need to devote so much slilicon to adding compute goodies, because they are already there in Fermi. So it's easier for them to double up the SP count. The rumors in that site say 550 mm2 on 28nm for the high-end chip GK110, that's really twice as big as GF100, so 1024 SPs are very likely. GK104 is also almost twice as big as GF104 and so specs are somewhat dissapointing to me, and somehow I don't believe them, because if there's something that makes me doubt about the validity of those specs, is the fact that GK104 uses the exact same SMs as GK110, instead of doing something like they did with GF104 (48 SP wide SM instead of 32 SP). If true, I'm disapointed, because that's a missed oportunity to bring a really good mid-range/performance card like GTX460/560 (and maybe crush AMD cards in the process).

I'm not saying that I give any credibility to these rumors, I'm only saying that they are posible. They can make a lot of sense actually.
 
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I stand behind my previous comment.

From what I read the GK104 is 290mm2, the GF114 is 360mm2 so?

Isn't that what usually happen's when a die shrink's? Not the other way around, unless i'm missing something :confused:
 

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From what I read the GK104 is 290mm2, the GF114 is 360mm2 so?

I said almost. Also GF104 is 330mm2, at least "officially".

And both are 256 bit, so that means that the shader area is most probably doubled.

We are debating about rumors anyway, maybe fakes, so I'm not going to give anything of this too much importance.
 
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OK, so here's another disturbing news from the rumor mill:

http://lenzfire.com/2012/02/entire-nvidia-kepler-series-specifications-price-release-date-43823/

This time everything is leaked, specs, prices release dates on all Kepler lineup.
Who's Lenzfire?

So the 768 cores gpu is 10% faster than 7970 ,the 896 cores one is 20% and the 1024 cores is 45 % faster than 7970 ...thats seems a little far fetched to me, i hope is at least 20-30% better .
And this time they better not lie to us saying gtx 680 only need 250w like they did with the 480's and 580's series.
 

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They've fallen behind. By the time they release their "flagship" card, AMD will be just abot ready to launch their next series. We still don't have an actual timeframe for any new Nvidia card. Then again, things can change very quickly as far as these things go.

thats how the story has been for the last like 4 or 5 years. AMD releases first, everyone hops on their boat. Nvidia releases there card late and people jump on their boat. A repeating routine it seems. However GK104 is there mid ranged card.

If those specs are true for the 6xx series! OMG GTX660 or Ti version is mine!

Jesus $1000 for the GTX690
 
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thats how the story has been for the last like 4 or 5 years. AMD releases first, everyone hops on their boat. Nvidia releases there card late and people jump on their boat. A repeating routine it seems. However GK104 is there mid ranged card.

The only AMD generation that has released first in the last 5 years was HD5000 and with this one makes 2. This time Nvidia seems to be late by 2-3 months, not like they were with Fermi and reasons seem to be quite different, i.e ensuring that no mistakes are made and no paper launch. Erocker claim is beyond absurd, but ey I will eagerly await for HD8000 in Q3 2012 :roll:.
 

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The only AMD generation that has released first in the last 5 years was HD5000 and with this one makes 2. This time Nvidia seems to be late by 2-3 months, not like they were with Fermi and reasons seem to be quite different, i.e ensuring that no mistakes are made and no paper launch. Erocker claim is beyond absurd, but ey I will eagerly await for HD8000 in Q3 2012 :roll:.

and the HD4 series. Nvidia released there GTX2xx series after that. and with the GTX260 192 core barely beat the 4870 so they made a 216 core that really beat it.
 

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and the HD4 series. Nvidia released there GTX2xx series after that. and with the GTX260 192 core barely beat the 4870 so they made a 216 core that really beat it.

Nope, exercise you memory. Nvidia released first and AMD releasd 2-3 weeks later for like $200 lower price. Then Nvidia had to lower the prices and they also released the 216 core to beat the HD4870 (192 SP and HD4870 traded blows) and be able to charge a little more.
 
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the 192 SP was alot faster in min FPS as well - i had both cards and the 260 192 was noticeably faster. They released the 216 to beat the 4870 1GB as the original 4870 was 512MB...
 
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They've fallen behind. By the time they release their "flagship" card, AMD will be just abot ready to launch their next series. We still don't have an actual timeframe for any new Nvidia card. Then again, things can change very quickly as far as these things go.
AMD will most likely release the Dual-GPU HD 7990 card to compete with anything Nvidia releases before they get the HD 8900's out the door.
 

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28nm Sea Islands GPU family sometime in 2013

http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/25822-amd-28nm-sea-islands-official-successor-to-southern-islands

I posted this for 2 reasons.

1) the likelihood of a Southern Islands refresh is rather small if Sea Islands has to release in 2013 and in 28nm. I mean, 3 very different generations in 28nm? I don't think so. Now something like HD4890 is not out of the question.

2) According to that slide: Charlie's credibility... pheeeeeeeeow bam! <--- hitting the ground. Not that it's ever been high. :laugh:

Also: http://www.obr-hardware.com/2012/02/semiaccurace-is-absolutely-wrong-about.html

OBR said:
Charlie Demerjian knows nothing about Kepler

SA vs OBR. Round 1, Fight! Hahahaha. It's going to be fun to see who gets closer to the truth in the end. It's certainly not going to be based on who has the better sources, for sure. Though based on his reporting of Bulldozer and Tahiti, I'm going with OBR, maybe he's on a roll.
 
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lol... just read some OBR stuff. ridiculous.
 

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The only AMD generation that has released first in the last 5 years was HD5000 and with this one makes 2. This time Nvidia seems to be late by 2-3 months, not like they were with Fermi and reasons seem to be quite different, i.e ensuring that no mistakes are made and no paper launch. Erocker claim is beyond absurd, but ey I will eagerly await for HD8000 in Q3 2012 :roll:.

I think erocker is quite correct. His words were 'flagship' card which by almost every available rumour (bar this lenzfire' one) will be closer to 2013. The GK 104 is the performance part, not flagship. And we're talking single gpu here, not dual gpu's.

But I do also believe that given the shrink from 40 to 28nm and given NV need to do very little to the compute design, it will easily have the features required to beat the 7970 buy a fair margin. A lot of people are completely disregarding (what you've said) about the 79xx series sacrificing SP's for compute. NV have no need to sacrifice, they already have a very solid compute device.

Yeah, I'm holdimg out until April (well March should have concrete info). At least by then, waterblocks will be readily available for 7970's and/or NV will have it's beasts out.

Either way, win/win for me :D
 

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I think erocker is quite correct. His words were 'flagship' card which by almost every available rumour (bar this lenzfire' one) will be closer to 2013. The GK 104 is the performance part, not flagship. And we're talking single gpu here, not dual gpu's.

Not every rumor says that at all. Most say that high-end will release shortly after the performance part. As per usual the different cards will probably release with weeks of difference, kinda like GF104 released shortly after GF100. Only one leaked and obviously fake slide showed the flagship (which they call GK112 :shadedshu) coming in late 2012. It also said GK110 is a dual GK104 which IMO is beyond absurd since Nvidia does not give dual cards any codename. Specs shown there are very different to what we hear now too.
 

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OK, so here's another disturbing news from the rumor mill:

http://lenzfire.com/2012/02/entire-nvidia-kepler-series-specifications-price-release-date-43823/

This time everything is leaked, specs, prices release dates on all Kepler lineup.
Who's Lenzfire?

:roll:

That is grade-A bullshit right there. 45% faster in what exactly? With less memory than the 7950, it will never happen in any game or benchmark besides PhysX, and if performance of the GPU really does double, no way in hell would Nvidia be that retarded to pair it with a VRAM capacity that will hit the wall at multi-monitor resolutions... My bet is 4GB at least for their top of the line card and dual-GPU cards aren't gonna happen for Kepler until the re-brand, just like Thermi.

Also 600 series is getting skipped for desktops, and is being reserved for their 28nm Fermi die shrink, hell look at their own previous naming schemes from G92 to GT200 to Fermi (8000>200>400) -- with every new generation (not rebrands), they skip a series. What makes this article even more full of shit, is the fact that with each card, the number of shaders drops in perfect binary increments: 128, 256, 512 etc (excluding their Fermi cloned figures), which no generation of GPUs EVER did. They pulled these numbers out of their asses...

Erm... 45% over HD7970 is 60% over GTX580, not far fetched at all. GTX580 is really close to 2x GTX 285 . GTX 285 was "only" 60% faster than 8800/9800 but was made on the same process 65nm.

What are YOU smoking for being so sure that Kepler won't be at least 50% faster than Fermi, when almost every single generation before has attained that 50% increase and then some??

Fermi was on a new process, but was troubled and they made a huge mistake in the interconnect layer. 28 nm is not as troubled (if at all) and without the screw up in the interconect layer, you can expect even better performance.

$10 bucks says this guy didn't read the article... :slap:

Well if you look at the number of Stream processors or CUDA cores or whatever its double the amount of a GTX580 so it's totally plausible. And yeah, prices are very much NV.

Sorry dude, BS article is still complete BS...if Nvidia had anything remotely as fast as that, they'd have already beaten AMD to the punch with a new generation of GPUs...anyway, regardless of what the performance will be, it is going to need two nuclear power plants to run if current power consumption figures are anything to go by, and handily beat the Thermi grill with lower cooking times :roll:.
 

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$10 bucks says this guy didn't read the article... :slap:

You have $10 less now. yay... :nutkick:

if Nvidia had anything remotely as fast as that, they'd have already beaten AMD to the punch with a new generation of GPUs...

Chips are made when they are made. The performance of the chip has nothing to do with when they release it.
 

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iirc i've read an article about that nvidia are going from low end - high end somewhere , if that's true then the lenzfire article is complete bs
 
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