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GOD's Existence Proved using theory of probability

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  1. N.M.S.B New Member

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    PROVING THE EXISTENCE OF ALLAH (SWT)
    TO AN ATHEIST
    by Dr. Zakir Naik
    CONGRATULATING AN ATHEIST
    Normally, when I meet an atheist, the first thing I
    like to do is to congratulate him and say, " My
    special congratulations to you", because most of
    the people who believe in God are doing blind
    belief - he is a Christian, because his father is a
    Christian; he is a Hindu, because his father is a
    Hindu; the majority of the people in the world
    are blindly following the religion of their fathers.
    An atheist, on the other hand, even though he
    may belong to a religious family, uses his
    intellect to deny the existence of God; what ever
    concept or qualities of God he may have learnt in
    his religion may not seem to be logical to him.
    My Muslim brothers may question me, "Zakir,
    why are you congratulating an atheist?" The
    reason that I am congratulating an atheist is
    because he agrees with the first part of the
    Shahada i.e. the Islamic Creed, ‘La ilaaha’ -
    meaning ‘there is no God’.
    So half my job is already done; now the only
    part left is ‘il lallah’ i.e. ‘BUT ALLAH’ which I shall
    do Insha Allah. With others (who are not
    atheists) I have to first remove from their minds
    the wrong concept of God they may have and
    then put the correct concept of one true God.
    LOGICAL CONCEPT OF GOD
    My first question to the atheist will be: "What is
    the definition of God?" For a person to say there
    is no God, he should know what is the meaning
    of God. If I hold a book and say that ‘this is a
    pen’, for the opposite person to say, ‘it is not a
    pen’, he should know what is the definition of a
    pen, even if he does not know nor is able to
    recognise or identify the object I am holding in
    my hand. For him to say this is not a pen, he
    should at least know what a pen means.
    Similarly for an atheist to say ‘there is no God’,
    he should at least know the concept of God. His
    concept of God would be derived from the
    surroundings in which he lives. The god that a
    large number of people worship has got human
    qualities - therefore he does not believe in such a
    god. Similarly a Muslim too does not and should
    not believe in such false gods.
    If a non-Muslim believes that Islam is a merciless
    religion with something to do with terrorism; a
    religion which does not give rights to women; a
    religion which contradicts science; in his limited
    sense that non-Muslim is correct to reject such
    Islam. The problem is he has a wrong picture of
    Islam. Even I reject such a false picture of Islam,
    but at the same time, it becomes my duty as a
    Muslim to present the correct picture of Islam to
    that non-Muslim i.e. Islam is a merciful religion, it
    gives equal rights to the women, it is not
    incompatible with logic, reason and science; if I
    present the correct facts about Islam, that non-
    Muslim may Inshallah accept Islam.
    Similarly the atheist rejects the false gods and the
    duty of every Muslim is to present the correct
    concept of God which he shall Insha Allah not
    refuse.
    (You may refer to my article, ‘Concept of God in
    Islam’, for more details)
    QUR’AN AND MODERN SCIENCE
    The methods of proving the existence of God
    with usage of the material provided in the
    ‘Concept of God in Islam’ to an atheist may
    satisfy some but not all.
    Many atheists demand a scientific proof for the
    existence of God. I agree that today is the age of
    science and technology. Let us use scientific
    knowledge to kill two birds with one stone, i.e.
    to prove the existence of God and
    simultaneously prove that the Qur’an is a
    revelation of God.
    If a new object or a machine, which no one in
    the world has ever seen or heard of before, is
    shown to an atheist or any person and then a
    question is asked, " Who is the first person who
    will be able to provide details of the mechanism
    of this unknown object? After little bit of thinking,
    he will reply, ‘the creator of that object.’ Some
    may say ‘the producer’ while others may say
    ‘the manufacturer.’ What ever answer the
    person gives, keep it in your mind, the answer
    will always be either the creator, the producer,
    the manufacturer or some what of the same
    meaning, i.e. the person who has made it or
    created it. Don’t grapple with words, whatever
    answer he gives, the meaning will be same,
    therefore accept it.
    SCIENTIFIC FACTS MENTIONED IN THE QUR’AN:
    for details on this subject please refer to my
    book, ‘THE QUR’AN AND MODERN SCIENCE –
    COMPATIBLE OR INCOMPATIBLE?
    THEORY OF PROBABILITY
    In mathematics there is a theory known as
    ‘Theory of Probability’. If you have two options,
    out of which one is right, and one is wrong, the
    chances that you will chose the right one is half,
    i.e. one out of the two will be correct. You have
    50% chances of being correct. Similarly if you
    toss a coin the chances that your guess will be
    correct is 50% (1 out of 2) i.e. 1/2. If you toss a
    coin the second time, the chances that you will
    be correct in the second toss is again 50% i.e.
    half. But the chances that you will be correct in
    both the tosses is half multiplied by half (1/2 x
    1/2) which is equal to 1/4 i.e. 50% of 50% which
    is equal to 25%. If you toss a coin the third time,
    chances that you will be correct all three times is
    (1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2) that is 1/8 or 50% of 50% of 50%
    that is 12½%.
    A dice has got six sides. If you throw a dice and
    guess any number between 1 to 6, the chances
    that your guess will be correct is 1/6. If you
    throw the dice the second time, the chances that
    your guess will be correct in both the throws is
    (1/6 x 1/6) which is equal to 1/36. If you throw
    the dice the third time, the chances that all your
    three guesses are correct is (1/6 x 1/6 x 1/6) is
    equal to 1/216 that is less than 0.5 %.
    Let us apply this theory of probability to the
    Qur’an, and assume that a person has guessed
    all the information that is mentioned in the
    Qur’an which was unknown at that time. Let us
    discuss the probability of all the guesses being
    simultaneously correct.
    At the time when the Qur’an was revealed,
    people thought the world was flat, there are
    several other options for the shape of the earth.
    It could be triangular, it could be quadrangular,
    pentagonal, hexagonal, heptagonal, octagonal,
    spherical, etc. Lets assume there are about 30
    different options for the shape of the earth. The
    Qur’an rightly says it is spherical, if it was a
    guess the chances of the guess being correct is
    1/30.
    The light of the moon can be its own light or a
    reflected light. The Qur’an rightly says it is a
    reflected light. If it is a guess, the chances that it
    will be correct is 1/2 and the probability that both
    the guesses i.e the earth is spherical and the light
    of the moon is reflected light is 1/30 x 1/2 = 1/60.
    Further, the Qur’an also mentions every living
    thing is made of water. Every living thing can be
    made up of either wood, stone, copper,
    aluminum, steel, silver, gold, oxygen, nitrogen,
    hydrogen, oil, water, cement, concrete, etc. The
    options are say about 10,000. The Qur’an rightly
    says that everything is made up of water. If it is
    a guess, the chances that it will be correct is
    1/10,000 and the probability of all the three
    guesses i.e. the earth is spherical, light of moon
    is reflected light and everything is created from
    water being correct is 1/30 x 1/2 x 1/10,000 =
    1/60,000 which is equal to about .0017%.
    The Qur’an speaks about hundreds of things that
    were not known to men at the time of its
    revelation. Only in three options the result
    is .0017%. I leave it upto you, to work out the
    probability if all the hundreds of the unknown
    facts were guesses, the chances of all of them
    being correct guesses simultaneously and there
    being not a single wrong guess. It is beyond
    human capacity to make all correct guesses
    without a single mistake, which itself is sufficient
    to prove to a logical person that the origin of the
    Qur’an is Divine.
    CREATOR IS THE AUTHOR OF THE QUR’AN
    The only logical answer to the question as to
    who could have mentioned all these scientific
    facts 1400 years ago before they were
    discovered, is exactly the same answer initially
    given by the atheist or any person, to the
    question who will be the first person who will be
    able to tell the mechanism of the unknown
    object. It is the ‘CREATOR’, the producer, the
    Manufacturer of the whole universe and its
    contents. In the English language He is ‘God’, or
    more appropriate in the Arabic language,
    ‘ALLAH’.
    QUR’AN IS A BOOK OF SIGNS AND NOT
    SCIENCE
    Let me remind you that the Qur’an is not a book
    of Science, ‘S-C-I-E-N-C-E’ but a book of Signs
    ‘S-I-G-N-S’ i.e. a book of ayaats. The Qur’an
    contains more than 6,000 ayaats, i.e. ‘signs’, out
    of which more than a thousand speak about
    Science. I am not trying to prove that the Qur’an
    is the word of God using scientific knowledge as
    a yard stick because any yardstick is supposed
    to be more superior than what is being checked
    or verified. For us Muslims the Qur’an is the
    Furqan i.e. criteria to judge right from wrong
    and the ultimate yardstick which is more
    superior to scientific knowledge.
    But for an educated man who is an atheist,
    scientific knowledge is the ultimate test which he
    believes in. We do know that science many a
    times takes ‘U’ turns, therefore I have restricted
    the examples only to scientific facts which have
    sufficient proof and evidence and not scientific
    theories based on assumptions. Using the
    ultimate yardstick of the atheist, I am trying to
    prove to him that the Qur’an is the word of God
    and it contains the scientific knowledge which is
    his yardstick which was discovered recently,
    while the Qur’an was revealed 1400 year ago. At
    the end of the discussion, we both come to the
    same conclusion that God though superior to
    science, is not incompatible with it.
    SCIENCE IS ELIMINATING MODELS OF GOD
    BUT NOT GOD
    Francis Bacon, the famous philosopher, has
    rightly said that a little knowledge of science
    makes man an atheist, but an in-depth study of
    science makes him a believer in God. Scientists
    today are eliminating models of God, but they
    are not eliminating God. If you translate this into
    Arabic, it is La illaha illal la, There is no god, (god
    with a small ‘g’ that is fake god) but God (with a
    capital ‘G’).
    Surah Fussilat:
    "Soon We will show them our signs in the
    (farthest) regions (of the earth), and in their own
    souls, until it becomes manifest to them that this
    is the Truth. Is it not enough that thy Lord doth
    witness all things?"
    [Al-Quran 41:53]
     
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    wall of text proven by the internet
     
  3. N.M.S.B New Member

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    Lol jst read it in ur free time
     
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    Haha i dont have anything like that jst wanted to share the book called quran contains some things which r to hard to justify for a iliterate man to say 1400 years ago
     
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    Most of us have a question if there is a god who or what was he how is he does have parents or does he have children is he like the creation.A iliterate man 1400 years ago answers all this question so easily how can i or u jus tify this logically. Example-The Most Concise Definition of God
    "Say: He is Allah,
    The One and Only.
    "Allah, the Eternal, Absolute.
    "He begets not, nor is He begotten.
    And there is none like unto Him."
    [Al-Qur’an 112:1-4]
     
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    I'm an atheist and this rubbish proves nothing about god.

    It does not deserve to be in the science and technology section, but should be moved to GN and forgotten about.
     
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    Just because man didn't have an iPad 1,400 years ago doesn't mean they were not intelligent. The best philosophers were around setting up the framework for civilization when even ROME was a bunch of tribes.

    A LOT of knowledge was lost when places like Alexandria was burned to the ground. Two major plagues didn't help either. To say the Bible or the Quran says things that are above mans understanding at the time is rather naive.

    With that being said I do believe in G-d but lets not act as if a book written by man and his interpretation of the Lords will is something magical beyond reproach. Anyone with a strong faith in G-d doesn't need to justify their belief to non-believers.

    Dunno why this is even in the science section. This is philosophy trying to disprove science which is ever evolving. Its like freezing snow.

    Another respectful atheist.
     
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    Give a monkey a typewriter and enough time he will reproduce the works of Shakespeare.

    I am not saying that he is not smart at all (extremely charismatic leader with lots of good ideas), but his words is prone to misinterpretation and translation errors which no doubt would have altered the original meaning.
     
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    You didn't prove anything. Just a bunch of quotes from a book that was written by the hand of man.

    I can prove that wizards fly on broomsticks and vampires are at war with werewolves just as easily.
     
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    Don't quote books here. It's not really going to do anything,
    We worship technology here, if god can give us better CPU's and More Ram we will be happy :toast:
     
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    This proves to me that even if there 'may' be a chance that God can be proven, I still do not have the attention span to read a wall of text.
     
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    And yes, there is a lot of prayer and faith bumping a CPU from 4.8Ghz to 4.9Ghz or changing memory CAS from 10 to 9. AMEN
     
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    Up volts if you can't bump the CPU speed any higher. You don't need god to do that for you :D
     
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    Humans are carbon-based life forms.
    Generalization. Which is wrong.
     
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    Hi guys, Allah here. I'm using this account because the user who owns it is closest to me.

    I just wanted to say N.M.S.B is completely right. Follow is teachings and I will surely give you multiple underage virgins* to be with for eternity once your time comes.



    *Personality may vary.
     
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    *And gender as well.
     
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    Obvious bullshit doesn't deserve respect.
     
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    What is obvious for you might not be to another million minds.
    It deserves enough respect, to be analyzed and interpreted to those eager to be clarified of the amount of BS you see in it.
     
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    I'll print it to read it later.
     
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    this is dumb. go back to reddit.
     
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