Has everyone read: Reasons We Share Personal Data section in Windows 10 Microsoft Privacy Statement

[Uplink10]

what in the fuck is that
a 5 year old with safety scissors could make a diagram that makes more sense

I know, I found it in the comments on some news site, I think it is also somewhere on Reddit.

Finally I will be forced into using Linux on the metal and booting Windows in VirtualBox instead.

I am also planning to do that before support for Windows 8.1 ends, good thing is games are coming to Linux and even the AAA titles. And VirtualBox 5 supports USB 3.0 and paravirtualization (choose betwen Hyper-V, KVM). It is going to be pretty hard to decide betwen Xfce/KDE and which distribution.

 

[Solaris17]

I love all the hate on Microsoft about windows 10. Its like you people didn't expect this or it was slid under your nose. or masqueraded as a Christmas gift. Do you really like hating Microsoft that much that you have some how managed to forget the EULAs that have taken pretty much everything you think your entitled to "own" online?

BING
GOOGLE
AOL
YAHOO
All major search engines
Facebook
myspace
APPLE
MICROSOFT
SAMSUNG
KEYOCERA
MOTOROLA
SONY
NINTENDO
Pretty much all online games keep a log of pretty much everything you ever do or say.
KASPERSKY
AVAST
NORTON
CARBONITE
ESET
some of these programs scan your PC and report whats installed directories etc.


I dont see a ridiculous amount of trash threads on any of those companies.

some of this oversightedness is making you look pretty silly. You guys belive in lizard people and HAARP too right? chem trails too.

 

[Liquid Cool]

This invasion of privacy actually keeps me up at night, yet many of you gentlemen consider it a joke. I was happy to cut the cable cord, but I'm thinking of cutting the internet cord as well. "This" isn't what I envisioned when I first hopped on the 'net in '92 using command line. It's turned into a nightmare for privacy and frankly it seems like quite a few of you that understand what is going on here are quite ok with it. This concerns me greatly.

I'm in the wrong place, you won't see me here again.

Best Regards,

Liquid Cool

 

[R-T-B]

So what? Troll alert?

Just don't do damn shady stuff on your PC... Ain't that too complicated or what? Putting theft warez etc child pr0n on Microsoft server... is bland stupidity and must be punished... there for this agreement lies there.

So chaps... are you seriously thinking somebody really cares for your porn habits? Get real...

If you are so afraid use Gentoo and compile by checking each line of the code by yourself?

As much as I am not concerned by Windows 10 privacy (you can turn it off for the most part anyhow), that is probably the worst argument for it you could formulate. The worst enemy of privacy is people asking "what do you have to hide?" when you request it. It should be an expected right, not an oddball privilege. It's NOT just for people surfing kiddy porn. It's for your grandparents whose credit card numbers get stored and subsequently hacked. Think about it.

And I for one have nothing to hide... but that doesn't make my data any less private.

 

[TheMailMan78]

As much as I am not concerned by Windows 10 privacy (you can turn it off for the most part anyhow), that is probably the worst argument for it you could formulate. The worst enemy of privacy is people asking "what do you have to hide?" when you request it. It should be an expected right, not an oddball privilege. It's NOT just for people surfing kiddy porn. It's for your grandparents whose credit card numbers get stored and subsequently hacked. Think about it.

And I for one have nothing to hide... but that doesn't make my data any less private.

Nothing is private the second you get on the net.

 

[95Viper]

Nothing is private the second you get on the net.

+1 on that... and, to add to it.
Nothing is private anywhere or anytime anymore, on or off the net.
"They" can watch/hear you anytime... "They" have eyes and ears everywhere.
If "They" deem you important enough to be a problem/nuisance/threat.

EDIT:
Yes, I am invested in the tin foil markets.

 

[Caring1]

+1 on that... and, to add to it.
Nothing is private anywhere or anytime anymore, on or off the net.
"They" can watch/hear you anytime... "They" have eyes and ears everywhere.
If "They" deem you important enough to be a problem/nuisance/threat.

EDIT:
Yes, I am invested in the tin foil markets.

I see that outlook as being a realist, not paranoid.

 

[Tatty_Two]

+1 on that... and, to add to it.
Nothing is private anywhere or anytime anymore, on or off the net.
"They" can watch/hear you anytime... "They" have eyes and ears everywhere.
If "They" deem you important enough to be a problem/nuisance/threat.

EDIT:
Yes, I am invested in the tin foil markets.

My daughter is one of "they", the capacity for any targeted approach to the masses is well over exaggerated to be honest and whilst there is no doubt that the means are there I think that their use is again well exaggerated, often used as propaganda along the lines of telling everyone what they can do so many will just assume that they are doing. As for me I have no real concerns although I acknowledge the concerns of others, I have nothing to hide and therefore nothing to find. if our governments are paying "operatives" a lot of money to check my progress in World of Tanks online then that's a job I should be applying for

 

[Laughing_Beast]

I dont see a ridiculous amount of trash threads on any of those companies.

Exactly.

 

[Caring1]

if our governments are paying "operatives" a lot of money to check my progress in World of Tanks online then that's a job I should be applying for

Maybe they don't have operatives investigating everything we do online, but if ever your name or something you do triggers their interest, they will have all they need to investigate.

 

[Tatty_Two]

Maybe they don't have operatives investigating everything we do online, but if ever your name or something you do triggers their interest, they will have all they need to investigate.

Well that's the thing, I don't disagree with you but some seem to think there are like 500 people there just waiting to jump on a trigger, it's just not like that, resources are very stretched, especially in the current security climate, bigger fish to fry and all that. Yes of course they have the ability to do intelligent scans and keyword searches probably filtered and analysed by software, I just don't think it's a round the clock activity where large amounts of resource are spent on it but even my knowledge is not that specific. In this particular topic though, I have a feeling it's less about "they" and more about what Microsoft wants, if security agencies have to rely on Microsoft exclusively then arguably we are all in trouble!

 

[95Viper]

Please, don't misunderstand my meaning of "They".

To me, some, "They" means...

A. The nosey busy bodies who have to intrude on your every move, because, they are what they are.
B. The person who hacks you 'cause they can.
C. The ones with the drones that will splatter the video of you all over the internet/media.
D. The governments who are, possibly, more paranoid than the people they intrude upon.
E. The jealous neighbors, who cannot stand you have a life and they don't.
F. The ones who steal you personal info/wealth/identity, because, they are to worthless to get there own.
G. The media, 'cause it makes ratings.
H. The sickies who would hijack your cameras (whether, in a PC, standalone, etc.) to get their perverted thrills.
I. Businesses who cull your information for gain. (Microsoft is one of these; as are a multitude of other businesses)
J. Etcetera

"They" does not necessarily need to be a government to invade/violate your privacy.
They are just one part of "They".

 

[pigulici]

Win 10 , for now, it just a big mess, and as more people look under the hood, find more mess...I think that M$ can do what they want with their OS, the big problem I find to be the lies about this OS(lies through omission, like was that "faster" boot from Win8(in fact was sleep/hibernate thing)). And the fact that Windows have dominant position as OS on PC, did not help us, at some point we have to use this OS(I use Photoshop for money so I must stay with Windows, I can't do so much with Gimp+linux(for now)). Well , at least I have a year of "free" upgrade, for sure, this year my Win 7 will stay...
What I find another problem for customer security , are the ads(like one from solitaire game), just read some days ago that the ads from yahoo mail was infected with virus software, at least for a week before the yahoo admins find and stop(and it is not first time, if you search about it), and today I read about : "Major Firefox vulnerability lets hackers steal your files using dodgy web ads" (link: http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/c...09-givb77.html ), so this is another hole in my security pc, just that M$ get more money...
I understand why M$ did the new OS as a tool to gather info about all a user do, especially when you remember how close are M$ to NSA(or any agency of any "free" state), they do same thing Ceausescu did in my country in communism era: gather any info about anybody, encourage anybody to speak about anybody, use police for that if people don't give themselves enough nasty info, put all in folder, so anybody in that period have a personal folder with info about them, and if anybody don't want to do something(most because of moral decision), the secret police get out some nasty info to convince you(like:"what your wife or familly will say about some declarations we have, that at a party, 5 yrs ago , when you was drunk and your wife home and pregnant , you said to a friend that you just bang the secretary and was better than with your wife"), before put you a gun on head if still not want to do it. Think about, what power can have someone who knew(and have some proofs) about some of your mistakes from past, some you even don't remember, and even if you don't care much or shame about it, the others will banish you if knew about it, and the change of place will not help you to start a new life...And the thinking like "I don't care about privacy because I have nothing to hide" it is so wrong on so many levels that I find hard to belive people are think like this; guys, wake up, the gov, the national agency, or any big corporate are made of people like me and you, the gov it is not some holy saints group, are people, like me and you, and people do make mistakes, some do deliberate. They (gov+agency+big corporate+hackers...) gather as much data about anybody, as they can , not as legal it is allowed, their problems it is that it is so much data, that it is hard to pint-point to something, for next few years they have no means(hardware and logical side) to make use/sort of this big gathered data on one individual(and the NSA told that some years ago, when voices rise about that general gather of data from internet), they don't hurry to resolve that for now, because if they want to spy some individual , they can do it without all that big general data. Think about , how the internet was invented, as open transfer of data between station, open internet,without encryption, anyone see anyone, was deliberate this way, and don't tell me that Pentagon was stupid, it is not that much stupid, even Caesar some 2000yrs ago use encryption for messagess with his generals; we can use actual hardware and some minimal software to have encrypted internet(was already demonstrate years ago), but none of decisional party(gov, agency, etc) want that, and people are too lazy to care for now, they try to show us that they patch the holes in internet/software security, like you can give medicine to died monkey to run faster, they don't want a new secure internet, some of us use VPN, but it is not enough when the SO send info about you...I am not paranoic, but I refuse to belive the lies, I use what it is now, but at least I know in real what it is... dark times are come for human soul...

 

[R-T-B]

Nothing is private the second you get on the net.

That's a fact but hardly a moral argument. My point was that you should not argue for the status quo, but against it.

 

[Tatty_Two]

Pretty much all of A - I is illegal activity to one degree or another in most countries and whilst I fully agree it's still an absolute invasion of privacy personally I am more concerned about "they" who think they can do it legally, they are the ones we really need to watch, but again, if there is nothing to find they will soon get bored and they will surely get distracted if their house should burn down in the middle of the night

 

[TheMailMan78]

My daughter is one of "they", the capacity for any targeted approach to the masses is well over exaggerated to be honest and whilst there is no doubt that the means are there I think that their use is again well exaggerated, often used as propaganda along the lines of telling everyone what they can do so many will just assume that they are doing. As for me I have no real concerns although I acknowledge the concerns of others, I have nothing to hide and therefore nothing to find. if our governments are paying "operatives" a lot of money to check my progress in World of Tanks online then that's a job I should be applying for

Meh, you're British. You have put up with your governments crap. Its like a national pride thing to take it in the preverbal rear. America was founded for terrorists by terrorists (Before anyone freaks out my family has a long history of rebellion. I'm a proud American to the core.) We here in the states are having a hard time adjusting to this whole "Patriot act" garbage. We liked our illusion of privacy before the whole Snowden thing went down. We are having a hard time coming to grips with the fact we live in a "Big Brother" state like you wankers across the pond. So let the conspiracies fly! Never mind the actual logistics of watching everyone's porn habits.

I imagine in a few more years once the baby boomers are all dead people will just assume being watched and being controlled is how things are supposed to be. THEN the real fireworks will begin. You'll always have guys like me who go against the grain but, by then we will be REALLY unpopular. I'm talking uniform and train car unpopular lol.

Pretty much all of A - I is illegal activity to one degree or another in most countries and whilst I fully agree it's still an absolute invasion of privacy personally I am more concerned about "they" who think they can do it legally, they are the ones we really need to watch, but again, if there is nothing to find they will soon get bored and they will surely get distracted if their house should burn down in the middle of the night

Its not a matter of "finding things". Its a matter of using innocent private info against you. Blackmail and such. We already have cases here in the US of "Homeland Security" agents (Still sounds like Russian propaganda to me) using info to crush romantic rivals in the civilian world. You know what? They didn't even lose their jobs for doing it. To me that's what is scary. Lone government agents taking it upon themselves to deem what is moral and what isn't.

That's a fact but hardly a moral argument. My point was that you should not argue for the status quo, but against it.

Argue what? Nothing can be done at this point. Only thing that can be done is to adapt to the system. If you think the system will adapt to you well.......I wouldn't hold your breath.

 

[Tatty_Two]

I would suggest that we British have greater transparency here than you have over the pond, I agree that the level of that transparency is very gray but yours has appeared very dark in recent years. We don't actually put up with the "crap" don't confuse shouting very loud and not getting heard with whispering quietly and not getting heard Again I would only add to this that I don't believe it's endemic, yes of course it happens but I don't think on the scale that some would suggest.

 

[TheMailMan78]

That's a fact but hardly a moral argument. My point was that you should not argue for the status quo, but against it.

I would suggest that we British have greater transparency here than you have over the pond, I agree that the level of that transparency is very gray but yours has appeared very dark in recent years. We don't actually put up with the "crap" don't confuse shouting very loud and not getting heard with whispering quietly and not getting heard Again I would only add to this that I don't believe it's endemic, yes of course it happens but I don't think on the scale that some would suggest.

I fully agree. My point is its more of a culture shock here in the states. A lot of illusion has been shattered since 9-11. Americans are not used to an NSA spying on its own citizens. Not that it wasn't happening before. It just wasn't as in the open as it is now. Personally I think its great. I have been enjoying the show. I knew since I was a small boy people in large groups (Government, Schools, Employers) become idiots. I think its a riot people actually believe that they are important enough to spy on and JUST NOW they figured out the "man" is watching them since Snowden.

Its a real shock to people here in the states man. Britain has a history of being more in acceptance of these kind of acts. Of course given that nations history it really is to be expected. Your an island nation. A government on an island has to keep a tight ship.

 

[Tatty_Two]

I think we invented spies, the King was not getting enough taxes in around 1000 years ago so sent spies out to all the major population areas to "monitor" the peasants, then Robin Hood came along and everyone knows the story from there on in.

 

[Vayra86]

Meh, you're British. You have put up with your governments crap. Its like a national pride thing to take it in the preverbal rear. America was founded for terrorists by terrorists (Before anyone freaks out my family has a long history of rebellion. I'm a proud American to the core.) We here in the states are having a hard time adjusting to this whole "Patriot act" garbage. We liked our illusion of privacy before the whole Snowden thing went down. We are having a hard time coming to grips with the fact we live in a "Big Brother" state like you wankers across the pond. So let the conspiracies fly! Never mind the actual logistics of watching everyone's porn habits.

I imagine in a few more years once the baby boomers are all dead people will just assume being watched and being controlled is how things are supposed to be. THEN the real fireworks will begin. You'll always have guys like me who go against the grain but, by then we will be REALLY unpopular. I'm talking uniform and train car unpopular lol.


Its not a matter of "finding things". Its a matter of using innocent private info against you. Blackmail and such. We already have cases here in the US of "Homeland Security" agents (Still sounds like Russian propaganda to me) using info to crush romantic rivals in the civilian world. You know what? They didn't even lose their jobs for doing it. To me that's what is scary. Lone government agents taking it upon themselves to deem what is moral and what isn't.


Argue what? Nothing can be done at this point. Only thing that can be done is to adapt to the system. If you think the system will adapt to you well.......I wouldn't hold your breath.

This is logic that cannot be argued with.

However I would add that there ARE numerous groups that are actively working to prevent or diminish the privacy breaches that are so rampant these days, and they do have their successes from time to time. Baby steps. But the governments are making strides in the other direction as well...

Either way it is a hot topic and Snowden is just the tip of the iceberg too.

You should come take a look over here in the Netherlands. Last year, our government adopted a system that connects the data from all government branches that deal with the data of the Dutch people to spy for possible breaches of legislation. For example, do you pay tax, and is that tax sufficient for your income, and is that income realistic for what you are actually doing, and is that car you drive even possible with the income you earn.

And us Dutch, what did we do? We didn't even fucking notice. People here walk around with their eyes closed and their hands on their ears. It's a level of ignorance I am extremely concerned about. We haven't learned shit from the second World War, where suddenly whole groups of people were forced to wear this little star so they could be deported elsewhere.

Looking forward to a great future of indoctrination and manipulation, but then again, it's never really been much different, just the toolset is getting more and more refined.

 

[TheMailMan78]

This is logic that cannot be argued with.

However I would add that there ARE numerous groups that are actively working to prevent or diminish the privacy breaches that are so rampant these days, and they do have their successes from time to time. Baby steps. But the governments are making strides in the other direction as well...

Either way it is a hot topic and Snowden is just the tip of the iceberg too.

You should come take a look over here in the Netherlands. Last year, our government adopted a system that connects the data from all government branches that deal with the data of the Dutch people to spy for possible breaches of legislation. For example, do you pay tax, and is that tax sufficient for your income, and is that income realistic for what you are actually doing, and is that car you drive even possible with the income you earn.

And us Dutch, what did we do? We didn't even fucking notice. People here walk around with their eyes closed and their hands on their ears. It's a level of ignorance I am extremely concerned about. We haven't learned shit from the second World War, where suddenly whole groups of people were forced to wear this little star so they could be deported elsewhere.

Looking forward to a great future of indoctrination and manipulation, but then again, it's never really been much different, just the toolset is getting more and more refined.

I agree with both of you guys.......with that being said I think we have not only proven this whole MS thing to be small potato's but completely derailed this thread into oblivion! lol

I'm moving on gentlemen! Good debate/conversation.

 

[Vayra86]

It is always good to derail tinfoil threads to avoid total disaster and armageddon.

 

[R-T-B]

I fully agree. My point is its more of a culture shock here in the states. A lot of illusion has been shattered since 9-11. Americans are not used to an NSA spying on its own citizens. Not that it wasn't happening before. It just wasn't as in the open as it is now. Personally I think its great. I have been enjoying the show. I knew since I was a small boy people in large groups (Government, Schools, Employers) become idiots. I think its a riot people actually believe that they are important enough to spy on and JUST NOW they figured out the "man" is watching them since Snowden.

Its a real shock to people here in the states man. Britain has a history of being more in acceptance of these kind of acts. Of course given that nations history it really is to be expected. Your an island nation. A government on an island has to keep a tight ship.

I fully agree it's a culture shock here in the states and has been going on far longer than most realize. My vision is more utopian than practical, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be fought for. Utopian visions should always be fought for, even if completely unattainable.

Argue what? Nothing can be done at this point. Only thing that can be done is to adapt to the system. If you think the system will adapt to you well.......I wouldn't hold your breath.

I didn't say it would change anything, but blatantly arguing for it as the poster I originally quoted was is just silly. You seem to forget where this quote stream originated.

 

[broken pixel]

Nikola Tesla tried to turn the tides of the Industrial Revolution using the laws of resonance.
http://www.abundance-and-happiness.com/law-of-resonance.html

Sorry! Off topic, thoughts before the actual though for this thread.

Smell that? You smell that? Privacy, son. Nothing else in the world smells like that. I love the smell of privacy data transferring in & out of Microsoft servers in the morning. You know, one time we had private data, for 24 hours. When it was all over, I logged in. We found holes in the OS, every stinkin' peace of binary data was being shared to third parties for profit. The smell, you know that profit smell, the whole worlds data shifting throughout Microsoft data centers. Smelled like... Chaos. Someday this corporatism will end..."

Cue Ride of the Valkyrie by that dude Richard Wagner,
jMa

 

[Blue-Knight]

BING
GOOGLE
AOL
YAHOO
All major search engines
Facebook
myspace
APPLE
MICROSOFT
SAMSUNG
KEYOCERA
MOTOROLA
SONY
NINTENDO
Pretty much all online games keep a log of pretty much everything you ever do or say.
KASPERSKY
AVAST
NORTON
CARBONITE
ESET
some of these programs scan your PC and report whats installed directories etc.

From that list, I just use Google.

The worst enemy of privacy is people asking "what do you have to hide?"

Well, as no one is going to answer this I will:

What do you have to hide?

I have many things to hide, but the main focus is my personal data. No way I will keep a backup of that in the cloud or anywhere on the internet, not even encrypted.

Things I (try) to hide from the general public while I am in computer connected to internet include: Location, real name, preferences, my physical appearance, certain opinions and other things.

It is OK if Google knows about it (it is providing free services I use)... I would be worried if that info becomes exposed to the ordinary public (e.g. techpowerup members). But it is the risk I have to take and I consider it minimal, I'd say I would be fine if all of that is leaked anyway. About passwords, unauthorized access to my accounts and credit cards I couldn't care less (very hard to happen anyway).

But what Microsoft wants with my data? They will probably sell everything to the legal or illegal market and maybe for evil things, monopoly maintenance, etc...

For the people who paid for Windows, if you think you "love" microsoft so much to give away your personal information and still pay for this for them to profit...

Well, I would think more if I were you... Windows is not a free service (yet). In the end, you have the right to choose. LOL!