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  1. <<Onafets>>

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    Hi all,
    I'm gonna get a HD 4870X2 2GB Graf Cad. I wanted to know weather to get any fans or coolers with it cause of temp. My current grpics card is a Nvidia GeForce 7600GS and average temp is 70 Celcius! The prob is its isn't and never has been overclocked...wtf? :confused:

    Plz help.
    All comments will be thanked!
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    I know that card is a little hot devil!! I see you have a stock case so if that means like a Dell, HP, etc then I'd say for you or a friend to cut a 120mm hole on the side of your case(easy, just grab a CD and trace it) and cut it out with a hole saw or dremel. This would be for a fan to provide some nice cool air since most OEM cases do not have a front fan. Don't forgot, You'll need to drill the screw holes so you can screw the fan to the case.
     
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    PCI fan blowers are just as cheap and a little bit more invasive that drilling into your case. I put 1 below my HD 4870X2, just to keep hot air under the card from getting trapped, as its a fucking monster.
    I use this one;
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835299005
    In an Antec 300 Case.

    The big key to keeping one at relatively cool levels is using ATI 8.10 Catalyst Control Center, it allows you to alter the fan speed. For setting the cards 3D settings and 2D settings I'd suggest something like Rivatuner. It's a bit more involved but it gives you more options to change settings given different program loads. Again the main issue with the card is that it gets too hot on some games because the card doesn't adjust the temperature automatically on load, some minor tweaking fixes this problem.
     
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    Thankis m8 :toast:
    is that the only thing i need...120mm fan. or should i get 2 to be on the safe side...they're only $5!

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    You should get a aftermarket GPU fan since 4870x2 run extremely hot. On my 4870x2 it idles at 79C!! and loads at about 101C I’m trying to get a fan but I don’t think any older fans support RV770 cooling yet.
     
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    You didn't say what brand you are getting. If it has rear exhast (like my Palit) then the case heat will not be a big issue. You can adjust fan speed with RivaTuner. Mine idles around 48C with the fan at about 50%. It's a little noisy but I can live with that.
     
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    P4 and a 4870X2 2GB. How about you buy your self a SLOWER GPU and FASTER CPU. And what PSU do you have ?
     
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    dont want no slower nothin
    last time i got slower i got annoyer:mad:

    o well
    Peantium 4 @3.00mhs
    i cant upgrade processor
    so what do i do
    all i can buy is that videeo card an coolers

    Peace
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    U have to have a faster CPU first or there will be extreme bottleneck. Can’t imagine a P4 with a top ATI card.
     
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    :nutkick: well that hit me like a bullet
    how cheap is a dual core at 2.0 mhz
    how cheap is a quad core at 2.0 mhz

    Note not off ebay

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    Sorry to say but you will be wasting your money with that card, your processor is way too slow.

    I would suggest a 4850 and later on a full upgrade, that thing @ 3g is like an amd @ 2g.
     
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    Or, you could accept CPU bottlenecking and ENJOY anyway.

    Or, you could accept CPU bottlenecking and ENJOY anyway.

    What would you rather do - have an AWESOME videocard that your CPU can push at decent framerates with all the eye candy on in the rezzes you use -- (YES it will be CPU limited for top framerates, even the quads ARE on a 2560X monitor you don't have )

    Or, maybe you should spend $200 instead of $500 on a much lesser card, that STILL BOTTLENECKS ON YOUR SYSTEM... THEN DO IT AGAIN WHEN YOU FINALLY UPGRADE YOUR SYSTEM BOARD, CPU AND RAM.... NO YOU SHOULD NOT !!!!

    You can buy a $500 card then ? You might have wasted $200 bucks but so WHAT .... it's the entire net of massive guru head upgrade geeks that counsel you to do so.

    The ANSWER hinges on what is your current monitor setup... I didn't look.

    So, I still don't agree with the conventional wisdom, not one bit.

    You should get the 4870x2 - and ENJOY the framerate and eye candy, with your cpu(cores/HT) cranking 100%... at your usual resolution... all the eye candy on is your hip bonus. (and maybe 1 or 2 jumps in playable resolution)
    If you decide to UPGRADE the motherboard and cpu - in the future, you will have the vidcard and a GIANT framerate leap that will be satisfying. It will be worth it AGAIN.

    An E8400 IS BOTTLENECKED AT 1024X768 with a 4870x2 - at like 50-60 fps with the eye candy maxxed. Bottlenecked MORE in crysis.

    SO WHAT.

    The nice thing about the 4870x2 is you can keep ONE GPU OFF if need be...

    Until you spend a wad on a system upgrade - THAT WILL BE BOTTLENECKED AT HIGHER REZZES WITH THE 4870X2 ANYWAY!

    No, the conventional wisdom IS NOT CORRECT. Sorry. It's not correct. It's not correct.

    This is not spamming, this is not trolling, this is purely the truth, and please do not attack me for it.

    If you don't get 4 raid zero sata3 drives going, your harddrive reduces in game framerates when you have to grab to load new map area or whatever - and loading into game...

    Look, get the 4870x2, use it, enjoy it - turn up the eye candy , whatever, turn it down for a playable rate in 1600x1200 at 75hz if you have to for a playable framerate - or enjoy turned on full eye candy in MOST games at 1440x900 or 1080 - whatever.... use it in single core when you have to.

    This advice( not mine ) given all over every site I've been to ( and that's a lot of em )

    IS TOTAL HOGWASH IMO

    I HAVE A REASON FOR SAYING THAT -

    The reason is - what I recommend works. NO, you won't maxx the card fps in all rezzes(not even close), especially not 2560 - but then your monitor doesn't even do that does it ?

    People have "problems" with rig jealousy and internet rig genius advice, and IMO don't really think it through all too well.
    Oh what they say is NOT > " just flat out ridiculous" - sure it jibes with known facts....

    But the point is yer 3.0 ghz dual core or HT will push the 4870x2 sufficiently for you for now.
    DON'T go blowing dough on a lesser card - especially if you want the 4870x2.

    what next if anything future *cheapo* up path > G31 or G35 pci-e 16x board $50.
    CPU E5200 $75
    2 gigs patriot ddr2800 $19

    CURRENT prices at the egg....

    NOW - yes that will drive the 4870x2 better with a bit of overclocking on the cpu - that goes up easily, most people wouldn't try to stop you with those components above ( they would still beat you senseless telling you they have a better rig or know you're cpu limited - but so is an E8400 - at "very low" rezzzes aka 1024x768 ) .
    They will beat you senseless, dude, face it. They know so much....you must have only the very highest in all compnents... and they will tell you what they are...

    Is it really worth NOT going 4870x2, and WASTING $200 bucks on something else ?

    NO, it isn't, IMO, and I've said WHY. For $144 bucks (upgrade parts above) most people wouldn't scream that you need something better...

    Have I made my point clearly enough ? I sure hope so. Long way around the barn, but hey, first time ANYONE here has heard it I'd say.

    Here it is again - GET THE 4870X2 - and FORGET all the raging net crap about yer current rig.
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    My pre-=apologies to all those who have shelled out enormous dollars to squeeze every last bit of framerate they possibly can out of the 4870x2 at insane resolutions long before others, I promise to spend ten minutes drooling in green jealousy over your rig sigs there, and run out to buy lottery tickets with some food stamps, so someday when I'm smart enough to build something, I can copy you. Really - I'm so green with envy I'm smashing my keyboard right now. Thank you for being so great.
     
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    do you even have a PCIE slot? I used a 7600GS on my old P4 rig, but it was AGP. Are you sure your mobo is compatible? And If you do have a PCIE slot I suggest like the others, buy a better CPU and grab a 1gb 4870, you will be fine.
     
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    You my friend have some issues. I dont appreciate anything you just said. You may be right to some extent. But this person came to TPU for advice, and we gave him our thoughts. We dont need you telling him that you are all high and mighty and try and tell him not to listen to a thing we say. He asked, we gave. Thats what you should have done also , without the long ass lecture on how he should listen to you and only you. You could have gave him one simple answer, " yes, i think you shoud get the 4870X2" and thats it. Next time some one asks for advice, give it to them without the lecture stating that we are usless guru's. If that were true, then why do people come here to ask for our advice? kthx gbye:shadedshu
     
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    Well my friend, perhaps your advice to me is just as silly ?

    Ok, first of all, if I had just spewed the one liner you seem to wish I had, I'm sure you'd have been (or any number of others) one of the first ones to jump down my throat and call me stupid. Now if the fellow doesn't like MY ADVICE and all the reasons I stated for it, he is welcome to not take it, and if you disagree with it, you're welcome to as well. Tell everyone why if you like... you didn't do that here.
    (you just didn't like how I said it)

    " You may be right to some extent."

    YES, and that's the real heart of the problem. Conventional advice isn't always the best advice, and isn't always correct - like in this case.

    I see I didn't call you a "useless guru".
    I applied it to this topic ( on all the other forum websites too) , not to everything on this website, so you asking why people come here is pretty silly, especially since I was here too, and he got the correct advice from me - along with the very reasons WHY, which it's pretty safe to assume, are nowhere else on this entire website.

    Nobody likes conventional wisdom getting bucked, especially when they subscribe to it, then find many reasons pointed out to them, why it doesn't hold up. High and mighty, indeed.
     
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    Sparkle 9800GTX+ - $135 after MIR
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    Total: $427 with E5200 - $464 with E7300 (Using your HDD's, CDRW, monitor ans Win XP key)

    Very capable system, very upgradable and will play anything at your monitors native res of 1680x1050. Given Aus prices this will come out to about $500 - $600 I expect..but it is the best of both worlds...you get good graphics AND a new system....don't buy the 4870x2, get something like this instead and be smart with your cash. :) :toast:



    p.s. SiliconSlick, that's how you give advice...if you think everyone here is a useless person at giving advice...why are you here with us 'lowering' yourself to our standards??


















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    I guess you miss the point too

    Look, the point is his 3.0 ghz can run the 4870x2 and if he wants one he should get it.

    That's all, I guess it's everywhere, telling your fellow enthusiasts to spend all the money they can on every other part just so they can get the highest fps at the highest rez.

    Now you layed out a cheap system that will run the 4870x2 as well.

    So if the fellow wants the 4870x2 - WHO ARE YOU TO TELL HIM NO ?

    Yes, methinks the pot is calling the BETTER kettle black.

    Now IF someone says "I only have this much money" - why then what you want to say is fine, right ?

    Instead, this guy wants a 4870x2 and everyone blabbed forget it ... you need to $PEND $PEND $PEND on xx xx xx xx xx x xx - or forget it....

    NO, he doesn't. He can get it now, and spend just a little later and be just fine.

    Now, if you don't want others to get the 4870x2, because it's a waste, oh well. That's for you to follow your own advice then, huh.
     
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    Single 3.0Ghz are no go, u need a dual core proc with 2.5+, with decent FSB and cache
     

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