HD 4870X2 Beats GeForce GTX 280

[panchoman]

ah okay.. but to me this sort of implies that the 4870 wont be as powerful as the 280.. which is probably bad for ati...

 

[erocker]

280 = $600 / 4870 = $300. No one loses. The 280's chip is about the size of two RV770's anyways. What Nvidia needs is a card that will run head to head with the 4870 and be in it's price range.

 

[OzzmanFloyd120]

I think that really depends on the cost, if you can get a 4870X2 for $300 and the NV280 is $320 (I just pulled those prices out of my ass) and the 4870X2 ends up out performing the 280 it's going to hurt nvidia more because of the price difference.

 

[JRMBelgium]

ah okay.. but to me this sort of implies that the 4870 wont be as powerful as the 280.. which is probably bad for ati...

Not nessesarily. If ATI succeeds in releasing a product that provides 3870X2 performance, a product that consumes way less power then the 280, a product that is at least 100$ cheaper then the 280, then it will sell, oh yes it will...

It's going to be 4870 vs 260 & 4870x2 vs 280 I think.

 

[panchoman]

well lets hope ati does just that, they can still pull it off, but it all depends on the prices and other factors.

 

[Megasty]

well lets hope ati does just that, they can still pull it off, but it all depends on the prices and other factors.

Exactly, because ATM things don't add up at all: performance-4870<260<280<4870x2 price-4870<260<4870x2<280. All we need is a steady fight not a NWO

 

[wolf]

I think it was supposed to be a cost comparrison, as in the cost of the 4870x2 will be equal to the new NV chips.

the cost will be irrelevant to the niche market who go for only the best of the best - this may well be 2x4870X2, but its a tricky subject....

it seems (so far) that in price, the 4870X2 "should" best a 280GTX, however as ive read before from techreport, ATi is building its Multi gpu setups with smaller building blocks as such. so trying to get 3 or 4 nvidia gpu's to scale well bring alot more issues.

my guess at this stage would be that the 2 most polular entusiast setups are:

4870X2 = great performance at a great price
GTX280 SLi = insane performance at an insane price

still, so much of this is educated guessing, speculation and fanboyism (of which i myself am undoubtedly guilty).....

cant wait for this headline...

"GTX2XX and 48XX go head to head"

 

[erocker]

4870X2 = great performance at a great price
GTX280 SLi = insane performance at an insane price

I agree, except there also there's the insane power consumption and heat generation for the GTX280. Theoretically if the GTX280 chip was a little bigger it would pretty much be two RV770's put together. Both companies are taking different approaches to these new cards, and really that's a good thing and gives a more distinction of choice.

 

[wolf]

+1 diversity of choice in product will be awesome for the first time in a while now. its been 6 of one and half a dozen of the other for months and months now.

 

[Hayder_Master]

yeeeeeeeeeehaaaaaaaaaaaaaa , yeh baby ati wins

 

[Hayder_Master]

nvidia try to put gdd5, i just want to tell them time is out ati is score even if you make gddr6


atinvidia


nvidia say ambush , ati 4870x2 is coming ,
ati say everybody go out is my land now
nvidia say please don't kill me

 

[DarkMatter]

I agree, except there also there's the insane power consumption and heat generation for the GTX280. Theoretically if the GTX280 chip was a little bigger it would pretty much be two RV770's put together. Both companies are taking different approaches to these new cards, and really that's a good thing and gives a more distinction of choice.

But I think you guys are forgetting that 4870 X2 are 2 GPUs slapped together, so it's power consumption could (by common sense it will) be a lot higher than that of the 280, unless Ati can do some magic this time around, which I doubt. I do think it will be faster, but I don't think it will do a lot better than 3870 X2 in comparison. << Note that this implies I'm saying it WILL DO better (overal or in the market, etc.), but not A LOT BETTER in terms of performance-per-watt. The X2 consumes more than the 8800 Ultra and a lot more than the 8800 GTS 512/ 9800 GTX, while not being a lot faster. It consumes more than 2xHD3870 and I don't think they can improve this situation by much in the next generation. Nv 280 consumes exactly 50% more than HD4870, so I don't think they can make the X2 consume less than 2x the power of a single card and that would make the Hd4870 X2 draw significantly more power than Nv's cards.

Then there's also the price issue. I could be wrong, but I find it hard to believe that costing the HD4870 more than $300 they can make the X2 cost around $500. Maybe (I'm almost sure really) they are counting with GDDR5 pricing going down by the time they launch the card, but by then all the cards are going to cost less. Specially if the reason for GT200 to be so expensive is that it has extremely low yields, as that's something they can fix "easily". They usually do (speaking of chipmakers in general).

Also later but soon Nvidia will launch it's 55nm refresh with the possibility of a GX2 regaining the crown. And sadly if that happens it will be an all-around crown because Nvida right now is a bit better in perf/watt and perf/price than Ati while using a bigger manufacturing process. 55nm will only make this fact more radical.

IMO Ati is going to be the better purchase option in the near future, as it's selling their cards within the hot spot, but we clearly can't count Nvidia off. According to leaked specs and bencharks HD4850 won't be faster than 9800 GTX so Nvidia has that card to fight against Ati. It will also have the GT selling for significantly less $. If HD4870 will be "better" than GTX 200 cards because its price, won't it be HD4870 < 9800GTX < HD4850 < 9800GT ?? IMO Yes. Where's the low limit? It will depend on the performance of the cards, and as it stands right now BOTH companies will have their products in different segments. They won't compete in performance, they WILL do in price/performance and there, the lower you go the better bang for the buck you will find. And that will be 9800 GT/GTX* IMO, but only time will tell.

* Because contrary to HD4000 series they won't be high-end and prices will be easier to lower to the desired point. Similar situation as with the HD3870 vs. 9600GT and HD3850 vs. 9600GSO.

 

[trt740]

But I think you guys are forgetting that 4870 X2 are 2 GPUs slapped together, so it's power consumption could (by common sense it will) be a lot higher than that of the 280, unless Ati can do some magic this time around, which I doubt. I do think it will be faster, but I don't think it will do a lot better than 3870 X2 in comparison. << Note that this implies I'm saying it WILL DO better (overal or in the market, etc.), but not A LOT BETTER in terms of performance-per-watt. The X2 consumes more than the 8800 Ultra and a lot more than the 8800 GTS 512/ 9800 GTX, while not being a lot faster. It consumes more than 2xHD3870 and I don't think they can improve this situation by much in the next generation. Nv 280 consumes exactly 50% more than HD4870, so I don't think they can make the X2 consume less than 2x the power of a single card and that would make the Hd4870 X2 draw significantly more power than Nv's cards.

Then there's also the price issue. I could be wrong, but I find it hard to believe that costing the HD4870 more than $300 they can make the X2 cost around $500. Maybe (I'm almost sure really) they are counting with GDDR5 pricing going down by the time they launch the card, but by then all the cards are going to cost less. Specially if the reason for GT200 to be so expensive is that it has extremely low yields, as that's something they can fix "easily". They usually do (speaking of chipmakers in general).

Also later but soon Nvidia will launch it's 55nm refresh with the possibility of a GX2 regaining the crown. And sadly if that happens it will be an all-around crown because Nvida right now is a bit better in perf/watt and perf/price than Ati while using a bigger manufacturing process. 55nm will only make this fact more radical.

IMO Ati is going to be the better purchase option in the near future, as it's selling their cards within the hot spot, but we clearly can't count Nvidia off. According to leaked specs and bencharks HD4850 won't be faster than 9800 GTX so Nvidia has that card to fight against Ati. It will also have the GT selling for significantly less $. If HD4870 will be "better" than GTX 200 cards because its price, won't it be HD4870 < 9800GTX < HD4850 < 9800GT ?? IMO Yes. Where's the low limit? It will depend on the performance of the cards, and as it stands right now BOTH companies will have their products in different segments. They won't compete in performance, they WILL do in price/performance and there, the lower you go the better bang for the buck you will find. And that will be 9800 GT/GTX* IMO, but only time will tell.

* Because contrary to HD4000 series they won't be high-end and prices will be easier to lower to the desired point. Similar situation as with the HD3870 vs. 9600GT and HD3850 vs. 9600GSO.

Guys from what I read the 4850 is supposed to be on par with a 8800gts /9800gtx and the 4870 near the speed of a 3870x2 is this correct?

 

[HTC]

Guys from what I read the 4850 is supposed to be on par with a 8800gts /9800gtx and the 4870 near the speed of a 3870x2 is this correct?

From what i've read, yes.

Please look in here: apparently, as resolutions and details go up, the performance gap widens.

EDIT

If the 4850 does that, i wonder how the 4870 and 4870x2 will against their nVidia counterparts!

 

[DaMulta]

I wonder if SLi 260 cards could take the 4870X2. Yes we will have to wait see if it does in the coming weeks.

 

[EastCoasthandle]

I wonder if SLi 260 cards could take the 4870X2. Yes we will have to wait see if it does in the coming weeks.

I would think that solution would cost more then X2. I'm not sure if that's practical even if you are using a 780i/790i board.

 

[DaMulta]

Cost isn't always a issue, but I'm thinking SLi 260 would cost closely the same(also depends on what you say close is....). Plus you could have this on release day, and not have to wait an extra month for the 4870X2 to be released. I have also found that SLi works better than CF in most games. Now this could be totally different with the new 4HD cards.

 

[EastCoasthandle]

Cost isn't always a issue, but I'm thinking SLi 260 would cost closely the same. Plus you could have this on release day, and not have to wait an extra month for the 4870X2 to be released. I have also found that SLi works better than CF in most games. Now this could be totally different with the new 4HD cards.

My thinking is that if 2, 260's cost as much (or more) than a 280 then why not buy the 280? This is why I believe that 2, 260's vs X2 may not be a practical solution.

 

[DaMulta]

Because for one you could add a 3ed card for less cost than you could doing it with the 280. This is the truth with most SLi and CF setups. When you hit a price point you can just move up to the next higher card. The only thing that you DO NOT GET ON SINGLE CARDS is the extra AA settings that you get with a SLi or CF setup. I myself enjoy having those settings for my older games so 2 or more cards for me always, but that is what I like having.

 

[Jansku07]

Here are my thoughts of this issue: According to AMD HD4870 will be 1.3x faster than 4850. If the HD4850's performance is +-5% from 9800GTX then 4870 is 30% faster than 9800GTX, correct? 8800GTS is what, 5-10% slower than 9800GTX and two of them slapped in one PCB make 9800GX2.

Crossfire and SLI are somewhat close to eachother in performance. So 4870X2 is 1,05*1,3=1,365 faster than 9800GX2. We don't know if there are any improvements in 4870X2 compared to usual Crossfire so we'll just have to wait and see.

There will not be 55 nm 280X2 simply because one card can take 300W from one PCI-E 16x slot + power-pins. 55 nm 260X2 is possible..

 

[EastCoasthandle]

Because for one you could add a 3ed card for less cost than you could doing it with the 280. This is the truth with most SLi and CF setups. When you hit a price point you can just move up to the next higher card. The only thing that you DO NOT GET ON SINGLE CARDS is the extra AA settings that you get with a SLi or CF setup. I myself enjoy having those settings for my older games so 2 or more cards for me always, but that is what I like having.

I not following here. I never mentioned SLI'ing 3, 280's. The issues with 260 in sli is if it's going to perform consistently with 280. Something we really don't know as of yet. Also, the cost factor. When you compare it to a X2 it's will probably cost more. Now the next question would be if you are paying a premium at/higher then a 280. I understand this maybe your preference. I just look at it from a different point of view.

 

[EastCoasthandle]

Source: PCzilla but originally found @ PCDig@ (Portuguese site)

Is this really good? 36 FPS in Crysis at 1920 is about the same of what some people experienced at 1280 (with all the quirks and slow downs that came with it). Also, this is just the fly by (unless another type of benchmark exist). So, actual game play may be different.

 

[DaMulta]

From what I have heard, all the new cards will be able to handle anything on the market with flying colors. I don't even know if you will truly need an X2 or anything more than a 260 card.

Now we(or I) really don't know this to be true untill release day in the coming weeks. But the X2/260 Sli/280 might be a waste in a lot of peoples minds when they are released.


I see where you are coming from price wise, and AMD ALWAYS seems to win in that section.

 

[Disruptor4]

I thought this to be interesting...
http://www.pczilla.net/en/post/35.html
Now if the 4870 can beat that, I'll be extremely happy!

 

[wolf]

I see where you are coming from price wise, and AMD ALWAYS seems to win in that section.

iunno dude, in Australia 8800GT's can be had everywhere cheaper than a 3870