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HD3870 vs 8800GT Benchmarks @ Legion Hardware - FAKE?

Discussion in 'Graphics Cards' started by TonyStark, Nov 14, 2007.

  1. ZenZimZaliben

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    I disagree. That is what ATI has been good at "since" the x1950xt. Since then that has been their only chance at moving product because they just aren't competing with Nvidia these days.

    Believe me if Nvidia had a poor performer they would be price cutting ATI. They don't, so ATI has no choice.

    A savings of 12% vs performance in the 25% range...

    Please let the 3870 OC like a dream...1GHZ+!!! It should OC so well that just by thinking about it the clock jumps 10% and drops 5 degrees C.
     
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    Can somebody tell me what the following percentages actually relate to?

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    I digress bigboi...nvidia has had better bang/buck...look at the 7600GT, 7900GS, etc.
     
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    I am still steamed at Nvidia for buying ULI as a way to kill off the competition, and then refusing to support the ULI motherboards still out there.. I will still buy Nvidia, but I am definitely not a Fan boy for them and I have gravitated toward Radeons so much that I must be a ATI fan boy. Frame Rates don't do it for me. I will say getting ATI cards to work with Suse 10.3 (A Linux OS) is ticking me off. Seems like I am buying components like people vote. Stay in comfort your zone and choose among the lesser of evils. :)

    Where is Matrox when you need them?
     
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    Am I the only one who has noticed that the table posted at the top of this thread, from the review, shows figures that don't actually relate to anything? The values for one card need to remain static so the other can have values relative to these tabulated in a relevant fashion but these are just meaningless numbers! Are we talking about FPS/ cats/ dogs/ elephants here?
     
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    in Greece we have a motto we haven't see him yet and we have baptize him john . we haven't see it in action or on real bench and we already start criticize ati wait a while
     
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    I believe that chart is based off 60FPS, 45 or 30. So the 3870 is x% slower then 60fps, and 8800GT is x% faster. Just not sure which fps they used for base.
     
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    I've seen numbers on Crysis and 3dMark 06 and it's a close run between the two, it would seem..

    http://iax-tech.com/video/3870/38701.htm

    I think it seems kinda good. Also, HD AVIVO is always nice (video-in is teh sh1t!) :).
     
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    I believe the 7600GT/ x1650XT argument goes in favour of the ati card :rockout:
     
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    I completely agree. It's too bad Nvidia has people brainwashed into thier product. I really shouldn't say that, I really don't know why ATi isn't doing the same thing. Don't they realize that with a larger ad campaign they will get more sales? Because, when it comes down to the majority of moron consumers out there, it's not about the better product... It's about advertising.
     
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    well the gt is now in stock for several hours in the US FINALLY at Xcixus.xom
     
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    where u see dat?
     
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    in the review that started this thread.
     
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    I agree my X1650XT is a little known jewel. Hard to believe, but my XFX 6800GS is now my poorest PCI-E card.
     
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    On average 22% slower and 16% cheaper. --> 8800GT has better price / performance ratio.

    HD3870 is plagued with the same inconsistencies as 2900XT. We see it 5% behind in one benchmark, 44% behind in another.

    The only positive is that it seems to have better image quality than the 8800GT.


    A big overclock probably won't scale very well. The card is crippled by its 16 Texture units and 16 ROP. The same thing that crippled the R600 so high clocks may not help very much. Of course this depends on how texture heavy the game is.
     
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    The power consumption is actually better than the 8800GT, which is a big plus. On the other hand, it seems to be no better than the 2900XT, completely undeserving its 38xx series designation.

    If they price it accordingly, ATI will do fine. Just too bad they cant compete on the high-end.
     
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    Take a look in the other thread in here pitching the cards together in a number of tests/resolutions, overclocking the 3870 got up to the high 800's, but that was on stock cooling.
     
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    Well, that is indeed alarming for what comes to IQ on 8800GT...
    I hope driver updates fix that.

    edit:
    Another alarming thing is that Legionhardware's "review" appears to be... should we say... SOMEWHAT SUSPICIOUS.
     
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    I wouldn't say nVidia has people brainwashed into their product...ATi simply can't keep up with them now. Consumers are just smarter now and are buying the better cards. nVidia currently is winning this generation of video cards because of superior technology. I know all the ATi fanboys will come out and be like "but ATi has more shaders!!11". It doesn't matter, realworld performance is what matters. I used to be an ATi fanboy, then I turned 13. I realized I might as well start buying the part that performs best. As I said in a previous topic, when I worked at Best Buy I ONLY sold ATi. I would refuse to sell customers nVidia because ATi was superior at the time. I can honestly say I would now push nVidia now if I still worked there.

    Edit: I know I'm going to get flamed like crazy because most TPU members are geared towards ATi. But whatever, I guess people have to stand for what they believe in...
     
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    what a crap review, I don't even want to begin listing the inconsistencies...
     
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    I'm ATI biased, but I see nothing wrong with your statement. One should always choose their products based on both price/performance and features/price. ATI still does it for me on the features/price front. I prefer the IQ and features, while others will sacrifice those for the performance.

    Taking features, performance and price all into account, I think both the 3870 and 8800GT remain on a level playing field. Having said that, I think I'm sticking with my 2900 for now. lol.
     
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    things cant sell like hotcakes when the stores dont have any.. its all fake.. for some reason they only released a few 8800gt cards.. mainly so websites like the above can torpedo the ati card i think..

    the 3800 cards are real the 8800s are so few on the ground as to be fake.. nice one for the dirty tricks department i recon..

    trog
     

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