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Hi. :D

Recently, I have been looking forward to making a build, and so I have been searching for pre-made builds since my knowledge is very limited in this department.

I am interested in a build in which I can game not intensively but most games, and do all the common tasks, also I'll be doing some Solidworks/AutoCAD so to keep that in mind too.
Also my budget is very limited.

So, what I found and caught my attention the most was a build from Pc Master Race, the Next-Gen Crusher, that can be found here.
In this build I would opt to buy an SSD first since I have an External HD and then latter an HDD.

Now, the question.. Is it any good? Is it outdated? Can I use my 5 year old case? Suggestions?

Any info would help, Thanks!

EDIT:
Progress of the build as for now.
CPU - i7-2600 (second hand)
GPU - MSI R9 380 Gaming 4Gb
Board - Asus P6P67 (also second hand)
RAM - Corsair Vengeance 1600 cl9 2x4Gb
Case - Corsair Carbide 200R
PSU - XFX TS550w
SSD - Cruxial BX100 256Gb
CPU Cooler - Enermax T40

DONE
 
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Its an OK system, but nothing to write home to momma about. It would get you by for beginner-mid level gaming but thats about all.

And, to do anything worthwhile in Solidworks/AutoCAD, you WILL need a better CPU and way more ram (16GB minimum, 32 preferable) let alone an SSD and better GPU. So at the very least I would say keep looking for a better system while saving up some more $$ for it, and get something that will be far more useful from day 1 and not require alot of additional upgrades right out of the box.....

ps... my coworkers use Solidworks/AutoCAD all day every day (for creating/editing mega-layered engineering drawings) with 8 core Xeons, 32gb of ram, and Workstation-class GPU's and they still complain about their systems being slower than they would like.....
 
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Its an OK system, but nothing to write home to momma about. It would get you by for beginner-mid level gaming but thats about all.

And, to do anything worthwhile in Solidworks/AutoCAD, you WILL need a better CPU and way more ram (16GB minimum, 32 preferable) let alone an SSD and better GPU. So at the very least I would say keep looking for a better system while saving up some more $$ for it, and get something that will be far more useful from day 1 and not require alot of additional upgrades right out of the box.....

ps... my coworkers use Solidworks/AutoCAD all day every day (for creating/editing mega-layered engineering drawings) with 8 core Xeons, 32gb of ram, and Workstation-class GPU's and they still complain about their systems being slower than they would like.....

Thanks for the reply!
I see what you're trying to tell me, but for that kind of build I would have to spend a lot more money than that, and that's kind of a problem.

Anyway, maybe I'll look into 16Gb of ram and if the motherboard supports it and a better CPU (AMD FX-8320, the upgrade they recommend).

On another note, the Next-Gen Exterminator could, in a remote possibility, be also an option but that's a little more far out my budget..
 
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Gotcha...but wouldn't the initial cost of the system you selected plus the upgrades be nearly equal to that next system anyways ?(IIRC it was ~$450 vs. $700)
 
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Gotcha...but wouldn't the initial cost of the system you selected plus the upgrades be nearly equal to that next system anyways ?(IIRC it was ~$450 vs. $700)

The CPU upgrade would be maybe about +50$ and the ram I would have to look up something compatible but even tho that's maybe 150$ less, I could squeeze that but then I would be looking at higher builds, so I don't know...
 

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way more ram (16GB minimum, 32 preferable)
Now I can't speak from experience, however 16GB of RAM "minimum" sounds like way too much. According to AutoCAD's site, the recommended amount of RAM is 8GB. 32GB is just ridiculous, in my opinion.

EDIT: I did a bit of research on SolidWorks' system requirements and apparently it has a recommendation of >=8GB. 16GB would be more than sufficient, I would think.
 
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Think what you wanna....but to do anything productive with ACAD.....8gb ain't gonna cut it.....unless of course you are ok with waiting 15mins- 2 HOURS or more for your work to finish processing....

Yes 8gb will allow the app to launch and run for a short time with only basic functions, but that s where your productivity will end and your frustrations will multiply rapidly.....

As always though....Y M M V
 

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Think what you wanna....but to do anything productive with ACAD.....8gb ain't gonna cut it.....unless of course you are ok with waiting 15mins- 2 HOURS or more for your work to finish processing....

Yes 8gb will allow the app to launch and run for a short time with only basic functions, but that s where your productivity will end and your frustrations will multiply rapidly.....

As always though....Y M M V
So long as he is not running complex fluid dynamic simulations all the time then 8GB of RAM should be sufficient.

@OP: If you lack confidence just do a Google search experiences that AutoCAD/SolidWorks users have had using 8GB of RAM.
 
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So long as he is not running complex fluid dynamic simulations all the time then 8GB of RAM should be sufficient.

@OP: If you lack confidence just do a Google search experiences that AutoCAD/SolidWorks users have had using 8GB of RAM.


Think what you wanna....but to do anything productive with ACAD.....8gb ain't gonna cut it.....unless of course you are ok with waiting 15mins- 2 HOURS or more for your work to finish processing....

Yes 8gb will allow the app to launch and run for a short time with only basic functions, but that s where your productivity will end and your frustrations will multiply rapidly.....

As always though....Y M M V

Anyway, maybe I'll only be looking at 8Gb of course because of my budget and then if I feel like I need 16 I'll look into it.
But thanks for all the help.

If any of you know the answer to some of my other questions feel free to comment!
 
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is it possible for you to build it yourself??
what case do you have ?but every standard atx case is ok.
maybe you are better of buying a used complete system-you will get more for your money
 
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I love destroying published value builds. Here's a more powerful build for only $5 more- http://pcpartpicker.com/p/rN3ChM

But in all honesty, with Solidworks/AutoCAD in the list of purposes for this build, I'd highly suggest going the Intel 6c/12t i7 route. http://pcpartpicker.com/p/KkhMNG

I realise the i7 route is considerably more expensive, but in the long run, I believe you will be more happy with it.
 
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is it possible for you to build it yourself??
what case do you have ?but every standard atx case is ok.
maybe you are better of buying a used complete system-you will get more for your money

That's the idea, for me to build it!
Don't know if you can see it on the image but even if I can use it, would it be a lot better to buy a new one for terms of cooling, space and other improvements?
That's a good idea but here on Portugal there's almost no one who asks for a decent price according to the build..
 

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I love destroying published value builds. Here's a more powerful build for only $5 more- http://pcpartpicker.com/p/rN3ChM

But in all honesty, with Solidworks/AutoCAD in the list of purposes for this build, I'd highly suggest going the Intel 6c/12t i7 route. http://pcpartpicker.com/p/KkhMNG

I realise the i7 route is considerably more expensive, but in the long run, I believe you will be more happy with it.
I like that build!
Is that the best gpu I can get even for a couple of bucks more?
I get what you're saying, an i7 would definitely be better for that kind of work but that's a lot even tho that build other than being great in processing as the possibility for latter SLI..
 
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maybe some used x79 with 3930k or 4930k and possibility for a lot of ram
 
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6C/12T is really not *essential* for CAD work but it will make things snappier ofcourse. Will it work just fine on a 4C/8T machine? YES.

Save your money.

If you really want to go for maximum value for money, pick up a second-hand i7 Haswell, people are upgrading now! Get a K version and solid cooler and you are more than set CPU wise. Motherboard, pick up a Z97 to go with that, also found second-hand. These parts are good to buy from others because they haven't aged all that much so it is usually almost like buying new parts with a major price reduction.

With the left over budget you can get yourself a nice silent/solid case like a Fractal Define for example, and solid PSU, a nice large SSD and other peripherals you would like. In other words, stuff that will last you several builds. Much better to invest in that than go for a ridiculously overpriced CPU that will only benefit you to a small degree in only one part of your PC activities. (6C/12T is worthless for most applications including gaming)
 
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second hand is the word here
 
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Addendum: build it yourself, never EVER buy pre-built PC's. The biggest bonus in doing so is actually not the lower price, but the fact that you can hand pick your components and you get to know your system so much better. Makes it easier to diagnose issues that you might have further along the road, and you may, and probably will, find it can be quite fun to build systems.

Oh, for SLI you need an SLI enabled board, careful with that (it doesn't come free). SLI doesn't require that much more cpu wise though, any i7 will be more than sufficient, even an i5 (4c/4t) will drive 2 cards with ease.

About RAM. I would recommend 16GB, but there is no harm done in starting off with 8GB and see how far that gets you. As stated, it will work fine, but there are many degrees of CAD work.
 
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6C/12T is really not *essential* for CAD work but it will make things snappier ofcourse. Will it work just fine on a 4C/8T machine? YES.

Save your money.

If you really want to go for maximum value for money, pick up a second-hand i7 Haswell, people are upgrading now! Get a K version and solid cooler and you are more than set CPU wise. Motherboard, pick up a Z97 to go with that, also found second-hand. These parts are good to buy from others because they haven't aged all that much so it is usually almost like buying new parts with a major price reduction.

With the left over budget you can get yourself a nice silent/solid case like a Fractal Define for example, and solid PSU, a nice large SSD and other peripherals you would like. In other words, stuff that will last you several builds. Much better to invest in that than go for a ridiculously overpriced CPU that will only benefit you to a small degree in only one part of your PC activities. (6C/12T is worthless for most applications including gaming)

I've looked into that but I haven't found any good deals, there's little to nobody selling them and the ones that do ask for way too much money.
Even the parts that I would buy I'd probably have to order them from spain because here they cost a lot more, so maybe used parts from out of the country would be that great because I would have to spend a lot on shipping..
I don't now what really to do..
 
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Addendum: build it yourself, never EVER buy pre-built PC's. The biggest bonus in doing so is actually not the lower price, but the fact that you can hand pick your components and you get to know your system so much better. Makes it easier to diagnose issues that you might have further along the road, and you may, and probably will, find it can be quite fun to build systems.

Oh, for SLI you need an SLI enabled board, careful with that (it doesn't come free). SLI doesn't require that much more cpu wise though, any i7 will be more than sufficient, even an i5 (4c/4t) will drive 2 cards with ease.

About RAM. I would recommend 16GB, but there is no harm done in starting off with 8GB and see how far that gets you. As stated, it will work fine, but there are many degrees of CAD work.

Of course, I even went to some pc stores to see how much they would ask for a custom build but it's too much anyway.

SLI is just a maybe for now, not really looking into it.
I'll be going with 8Gb that's almost certain
 

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I love destroying published value builds. Here's a more powerful build for only $5 more- http://pcpartpicker.com/p/rN3ChM

But in all honesty, with Solidworks/AutoCAD in the list of purposes for this build, I'd highly suggest going the Intel 6c/12t i7 route. http://pcpartpicker.com/p/KkhMNG

I realise the i7 route is considerably more expensive, but in the long run, I believe you will be more happy with it.

Jumping jack christ that case is hideous. You probably CAN use that case (ignoring possible graphics card/CPU cooler incompatibilities) but you're going to have the worst time in the world building your computer and maintaining it. If you work with an OEM case like that, you'll get terrible temperatures, dust buildup and every time you try to disassemble/add something you may very well get some serious cuts and gashes from the sharp, bare SECC steel (personal experience here).

If you are building a powerful computer like that, you're not going to use that kind of HP OEM case. Period.
 
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Jumping jack christ that case is hideous. You probably CAN use that case (ignoring possible graphics card/CPU cooler incompatibilities) but you're going to have the worst time in the world building your computer and maintaining it. If you work with an OEM case like that, you'll get terrible temperatures, dust buildup and every time you try to disassemble/add something you may very well get some serious cuts and gashes from the sharp, bare SECC steel (personal experience here).

If you are building a powerful computer like that, you're not going to use that kind of HP OEM case. Period.

For that price I could pick up a different case, I'm not concerned with that now.
I'm looking for some advice for the cpu, gpu and motherboard mainly. Those at a max of 400$.
 
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Jumping jack christ that case is hideous. You probably CAN use that case (ignoring possible graphics card/CPU cooler incompatibilities) but you're going to have the worst time in the world building your computer and maintaining it. If you work with an OEM case like that, you'll get terrible temperatures, dust buildup and every time you try to disassemble/add something you may very well get some serious cuts and gashes from the sharp, bare SECC steel (personal experience here).

If you are building a powerful computer like that, you're not going to use that kind of HP OEM case. Period.

I've seen worse suggested. Not sure what you're talking about when you say "with an OEM case like that". It's a basic mid-tower ATX case, and it's looks are not much different than the Source 210 in the build the OP listed. As for heat sink and video card compatability, it has room for a 155mm tall heatsink and a 315 mm long video card.
 
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I don't know if this is the best site (here) to get benchmarks from but with a quick search I found that for the same price, around 160$, I could get either a AMD FX-8550 or an Intel i5-4460. But the amd has 8,980 and the intel has 6,652.

I know that when gaming they will perform very differently according to the gpu and the board but can I start from here?
 
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Do you mean the AMD FX 8350? Never heard of an FX 8550. If so, just get the FX 8320 which is very easy to overclock to 8350 speeds. I would get the 8 core AMD over the i5 with Solidworks and AutoCAD part of the planned uses for the computer.

As for your other question-

Is that the best gpu I can get even for a couple of bucks more?

Depends on your definition of "a couple of bucks more". Yes, I can suggest a stronger video card, but you will need to raise your budget.
 

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Not so much for me.


8GB if you want to suffer... 12GB is the absolute minimum for comfortable gaming.


RAM is never too much. The same goes for storage space. Never too much, never.

I'd say 32GB is the way to go, because it it is the maximum the mainstream/poor CPU has to offer. And 32GB capable motherboard is not expensive at all.

If you are going to higher ends... Then 64GB.

You will never see yourself in such situation: "Oh, I just bought too much RAM!".

Just my opinion. :rolleyes:

@Asvybre

1. RAM is never too much, true. Except that you should exercise caution with AM3+, high speed / high capacity RAM kits, and bad boards. Choose a decent 990FX board that can handle overclocking and just about anything else you can throw at it. Recommendations include 990FXA-UD3, 990FXA-UD5, 990FX Gaming, Fatal1ty 990FX Killer (this one has M.2 if you're into that), Fatal1ty 990FX Performance, etc. The Sabertooth from Asus is also good. For AM3+, generally avoid anything from MSI that isn't red in colour. Red colour denotes "Gaming", of which one board is listed above, and basically means that it's an AMD platform MSI board that you can trust.

2. I don't believe that 12GB is the absolute minimum for comfortable gaming. I've never run into a game, however intensive, that requires me to have more than 8GB (except for FC4 but that was just because I had a sh*tload of Chrome tabs open). Plus 12GB is a stupid number on any platform aside from X58. Don't go misleading him.

3. I don't know if Solidworks is well-multithreaded, but if it is, AMD will probably be a better choice for that price. Intel is far more powerful in the upper segments, but it looks like you aren't willing to go there with $$.

4. Graphics card depends on you. What exactly are your needs? What resolution/settings for gaming? What are Solidworks' requirements/recommendations for GPUs?

5. Looks like you don't have a ton of $$$ to blow, but if Solidworks benefits from the faster access speeds and times of SSDs, then all-SSD or nearly all-SSD storage would be something to look into. A SSD as a boot drive is always a good place to start (I would say that it's the only place to start), but once you eliminate all mechanical storage from your system, you will notice a big difference. Not a big issue, just something to think about.
 
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