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HIS Radeon HD 6970 2048 MB

Discussion in 'Reviews' started by W1zzard, Dec 14, 2010.

  1. Black Panther

    Black Panther Senior Moderator™ Staff Member

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    Great review as always, but I'm just not impressed by the card. I was expecting something even better than the 5970, and which would also beat the 580.
     
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    My only thought on that is in the Nvidia reviews it could say no eyefinity support instead of "Still limited to two active display outputs per card" :laugh:
     
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    Point taken.
     
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    PhysX actually has a purpose

    Eyefinity on the other hand.......:laugh:
     
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    Guys, let's not go through a general NV vs. ATI discussion. Save time, save kilobytes on TPU's SSD, help prevent climate change.
     
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    I think it's more on the lines of multi monitor, both brands have it and the only real advantage* to Eyefinity is that it can do more than 2 outputs from a single card, and considering that one card is not usually fast enough to play new games on 3 monitors**, it's almost a moot one.

    On the other hand PhysX is the only GPU physics engine in actual use so far and AMD has none and hence it's a clear advantage.

    *And afaik Nvidia's Surround has some benefits over Eyefinity, like bezel correction. Correct me if I'm wrong, thats what I hear.
    ** I'm waiting to see if Cadaveca tries the HD6900 series, but after this review I don't have high expectations.
     
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    Here he is. This is the very last bit of the conclusion:

    http://www.semiaccurate.com/2010/12/14/look-amds-new-cayman6900-architecture/

    Hmmm, yeah, right. Still no review up on SemiAccurate... I wonder why? :rolleyes:
     
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    I think i have been misunderstood, i was joking thus the :laugh:

    The whole no cuda/physx thing on AMD/ATI reviews has been explained many times before.

    But eyefinity does have bezel correction.
     
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    qubit Overclocked quantum bit

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    Yep, +1. That's why they are so much cheaper than the 580. They will never be able to outperform it. This is another HD2900 lemon.

    I've got a HD 2900 XT and a GTX 8800 and with the latest drivers, nvidia still walks all over ATI. Game over.
     
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    I must rebuke

    This discussion was in direct relation to the review at hand how it was mentioned that not having PhysX support was a disadvantage for an AMD video card. ;)

    Don't you know a joke when you here one!!! Get me outta here!!!!! :laugh: Moving on...... :)
     
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    I don't know what you guys are talking about. Charlie is always right. ALWAYS. You listen to me? Ok... well, he is sometimes wrong but 90% of times right, and for the most.... bla bla bla :laugh::laugh::laugh: j/k

    Will ever people stop listening to his BS? Probably not. He will never link to articles where he was wrong (he may even edit them, he's done that in the past) and will concentrate on the few ones in which he was right. He will continue making vague claims with 50% posibilities of being right and he will eventually nail it again with a relevant chip and people will believe him again. :shadedshu

    The funny thing is how Fuad has been almost completely right in the last couple of weeks :eek:
    It's been a definitive Fuad :nutkick: Charlie.

    EDIT: It's funny to read the comments from the drones in SA btw. Some acting as if nothing happened. Others claiming bad behavior and bias from ALL the reviewers around the world and plenty of other with more elaborate and imaginative theories. Charlie=mute. As unreliable as it is, SA surely is a fun site to read.
     
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    Think I will stick to my 5970
     
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    Black Panther Senior Moderator™ Staff Member

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    +1 and also for another reason why I don't personally like amd's current naming scheme: regular pc users would just think oh look a 6970 would be better than a 5970... :shadedshu
     
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    Definatelly the naming scheme does not fit at all now. Pur marketing spin. I remember what the "excuse" or rationalisation was for HD68xx: "The 8 is the new number for performance parts while the 9 is for high-end" and it made sense because Cayman was going to be so fast over HD5870 that it would be totally legit to call it a new generation and the increased series number. I never bougth that reasoning, even if Cayman had been 50% faster than Cypress, but let's say, ok fair enough.

    Then... what now? How can the new generation naming be justified? How can the new generation be justified? Cayman is a slightly new architecture*, Barts isn't. Performance is not there to justify a generation jump, just like there's none for GTX5xx.

    *Difference between X1800 and X1900 was even more pronounced iirc and didn't warrant a new gen, because things made more sense back then, I suppose.

    The names should have been:

    Barts Pro: HD5840
    Barts XT: HD5860
    Cayman Pro: HD5880 (with some reservations)
    Cayman XT: HD5890

    And right now there's no way of spining it in a way that would make me think it should have been different than that. For what it's worth Cayman wouldn't even deserve HD5930 and HD5950 names, let alone HD6950/70.
     
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    Bummer.I really thought it would have been faster than that :shadedshu


    Looks like the GTX570 is going to be the sweet spot.
     
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    great review w1zz :respect:

    guess im gonna be on green side this time around been on red team since 3850 or ill just wait till next generation
     
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    Really?

    Apart from a 5970 being 1 card instead of 2, it still has internal CF, and from a 580 not having scaling issues to worry about because it's the most powerful single GPU card to date, let's see W1zzard's findings @ 2560x1600, shall we:

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    In AvP, 6950 CF has 48.5% over 5970 and 71.9% over 580

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    In Bad Company 2, 6950 CF has 24.8% over 5970 and 62.9% over 580

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    In Battleforge, 6950 CF has 10% over 5970 and 15% over 580

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    In Call of Duty 4, 6950 CF has 3.6% over 5970 and 56.3% over 580

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    In Call of Juarez 2, 6950 CF has 20.8% over 5970 and -30.7% over 580

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    In Crysis, 6950 CF has 36.9% over 5970 and 77.6% over 580

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    In Dawn of War 2, 6950 CF has 22.3% over 5970 and 75.1% over 580

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    In Far Cry 2, 6950 CF has 45.4% over 5970 and 36.9% over 580

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    In HAWX, 6950 CF has 43.6% over 5970 and 33.2% over 580

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    In Metro 2033, 6950 CF has 35.1% over 5970 and 32.3% over 580

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    In Riddick: Dark Athena, 6950 CF has 21.1% over 5970 and 51.6% over 580

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    In STALKER - Clear Sky, 6950 CF has 37% over 5970 and 42.3% over 580

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    In Supreme Commander 2, 6950 CF has 2.2% over 5970 and 9.6% over 580

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    In Unreal Tournament 3, 6950 CF has 13.8% over 5970 and 47% over 580

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    In 3DMark 03, 6950 CF has 21.8% over 5970 and 84.3% over 580

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    In 3DMark 05, 6950 CF has 6.2% over 5970 and 7.7% over 580

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    In 3DMark 06, 6950 CF has 5.4% over 5970 and 19.1% over 580

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    In Unigine Heaven 2.0, 6950 CF has 96.8% over 5970 and 77.9% over 580


    6950 CF is $600: that's 3.4% more then a 5970 and 20% more then a 580 but how much better then a 5970 and 580 is it? Shall we add up?

    Not counting the 3DMark benches AND Unigine bench: 6950 CF has 26.1% over 5970 and 41.5% over 580

    Not counting 3DMark benches only: 6950 CF has 38.8% over 5970 and 43.9% over 580

    Counting everything: 6950 CF has 27.5% over 5970 and 42.8% over 580


    That's 27.5% more power costing 3.4% more or 42.8% more power costing 20% more: does that sound bad to you? To put it into perspective, 6970 costs 23.3% more then 6950 and only brings ~12% better performance then 6950.


    Unless i made some mistake, i didn't arrive @ the same conclusion as W1zzard:

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    Can't do the same for 6970 CF because W1zzard hasn't put it up yet and i'm almost sure the relative gains it has over 5970 and 580 won't be as good as 6950 CF because it costs much more and that little detail will skew everything off 6970 CF (guessing, for now).

    This comparison is only for 2560x1600: for other resolutions 6950 CF will NOT be as good.
     
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    Why are you quoting him?
    It makes your point moot. It's not 27.5 more power costing 3.4% more or 42,8% more power costing 20% more. For him it's 27.5% faster costing $600 more. He already has the HD5970. ;)

    Other than that you are disregarding power consumption and noise, specially noise and also physical space inside the case. Not only performance scaling counts.
     
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    You're right, hehe :eek:

    As for noise and temps, i can't because W1zzard didn't do that part in the review and, as such, i can't compare but you're right about the physical space inside the case.
     
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    OMG it's a giant piece of fail. . . . shocker .. . :rolleyes:
     
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    as were all of the nvidia based intel boards but someone has to buy them :shadedshu
     
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    yeah if ati can get their ass into gear with new drivers. lately their drivers are garbage. and nvidia still has room for improvements in their drivers. Oh and the 570/580 overclock better then these cards as well which is a big selling point to me.
     
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    Anything with nvidia on it is a big selling point for you.
     
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    nice to see my cards still in 6th place :D

    well 6th on the firstpage :rolleyes:
     
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    :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

    only on cards. basically i see that Nvidia :nutkick: ati with the unexpected 580


    I mean ive owned a HD5870 and it was okay till ati drivers started to become garbage! So then i switched to a 470 and havent had problems yet. and my 470 overclocks way better then my 5870 did and i love to overclock. its where I get most of my fun out of new parts before i go into gaming.
     

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