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How to fix your 8800 BSOD

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  1. d44ve New Member

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    Now I didnt write this... just found this on another board. I thought it had some great information in it.

    I almost didnt want to post this just because I know there will be someone out there saying how bad nVidia is and how great ATi is.

    THIS IS NOT THE PLACE FOR IT. I am just trying to help out.




    Well after a lot of reading, trying, assembling and disassembling ive come to find the main reason of why we are all seeing BSODS on your cards, the main reason is not one but a combination of many factors which i will explain below, I can almost guarantee you that if you follow the instructions ill post here, you will solve your BSOD problem.

    Since I got tired of having to look at a billion pages to find this information i decided to put it all in a nice troubleshooting list for everyone to follow, starting with the most common general problem down to the most specific based on what ive seen here and what ive personally tested.

    Nature/Origin of the problem:
    Just telling you how to fix it would be pointless, so ill try to dig in more as in why this problem is happening and whats up with the research behind this whole post.

    After much testing I've come the same conclusion as a guy named dubbo07 on these forums, that the 8800GTX/GTS does not interface well with any high speed memory that uses the high performance Micron D9 chips and/or similar specs chips. Main reason? Timing and Voltages, not necesarily the Rams, its the entire board's, Graphics applications constantly store and read data from the video memory and system memory, the video driver attempts to access the system memory randomly for what ever reason and does this in a way most ram chips dont like, and BAM, hardware crash "insert 10 diff blue screen errors here" messages, ranging from IRQ, to Page fault and flat out hang.

    So after reading a bit people had no clue WTF was causing this i decided to grab the 10 8800GTX Cards i had here from BFG. XFX. EVGA you name it, Air cooled, water cooled, overclocked, stock etc. and give them a spin, to try to find out what in hell is causing this, i was using cloned windows installations, so to avoid actual drivers being the cause.

    The 10 test systems were as follows:

    Intel D975XBX2 Bad Axe 2 Motherboards
    8800GTX 768MB Random Brands and Cooling Systems but same overall card chip
    E6600 Conroes 2.4Ghz Core 2 Duo Retail
    1,2,4 GB Ram Configs using Kingston PC6400 DDR2 HyperX Ram in 1 2 4 stick configs
    Creative X-Fi Fatal1ty Pro Gamer Series Audio and onboard Sygmatel Audio
    Hiper Type R 580W Modular PSU - $85 buck PSU (which isnt very uber, if this thing could run it any can)

    I tried every single config I could, and I came up with This troubleshooting list on some machines some points fixed some of the bsods, on others the others fixed it, eventually they all got fixed, it wasnt one thing but multiple things that were causing the bsods.

    Heres the list be sure to try it from top to bottom.

    1: Heat
    Cause:
    Nvidia "Nerfed" the fan control speed and its now SET at 60% fixed speed and WILL NOT MOVE
    How to fix?:
    http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=163
    Download Rivatuner from guru3d.com and hard overide the NVidia fan control to set it to 100% at all times, yes its noisy but even at 100% damn thing wont go under 65c IMHO still to hot but def better than 100+ water boiling.
    Extra info on the problem:
    Nvidia says the GPU is fine up to 147celcius, IMHO, i dont care what Nvidia says, if i cant handle it with my hands, i dont want it inside my case, and since they "decided" to "nerf" the fan controller the card runs hotter than ever, this is usually the most common cause for the "it hangs every 30 mins or so of gaming" problem, if its not the actual nvidia card overheating thats causing the hang its somethign else in your board locking up due to the nvidia card overheating it way over its intended heat range, namely your PCI-E controller, chipset or some other circuit getting 100c air being blown direcly over itand making IT lock up.

    2:pSU Wiring
    Cause:
    Massive flat out raw power draw from this card under heavy load
    How to fix?:
    Give Your Majesty its own personal rails for its sole and exclusive use, do not let any other "peasants" get near its personal rails.
    Extra info on the problem:
    This card is insane, it REQUIRES 2 full rails ONLY for itself. so make sure the 2 rails you are connecting to the cards power plugs are 100% independent of each other and do NOT use rails with other devices in them, the cables have to be straight PSU to Vid card and thats it nothing else, i put 3 rails SPECIFICALLY for the card on mine and works fine.

    3:Driver
    Cause:
    Nvidia needs to learn to play and learn to code when it comes to drivers
    How to fix?:
    Get the new beta driver
    ForceWare 160.03 (Yes 160.03)
    http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=1633
    Extra info on the problem:
    Nvidia loves to keep good stuff unavailable and make us hate it even more, somehow guru3d got a hold of the 160.03 leaked beta drivers and modded them SPECIFICALLY to fix most BSODS, by changing the way it reads and writes to system memory, install these and be happy ever after, no more BSODS.

    4: Windows Settings
    Multisampling off
    Cause:
    No idea, im guessing its related to how system memory is read when this setting is on.
    How to fix:
    Turn off Multisampling, it is said BSODs stop in most situations when this is turned off

    5: IRQ Conflicts
    Cause:
    Windows is retarded, Plug and Play Bios are retarded, and seems none of them can figure out that putting a MONSTER in a jail cell with a puny man both sharing the same toilet, wont end up nicely.
    How to fix":
    1:Reset your BIOS to clear the PnP PCI IRQ assignment tables and force it to reassign new ones.
    2:Change the "Offending" card from slot and pray it gets assigned a new IRQ (im saying offending because HOW DARE HE use up the 8800's personal IRQ, its blasphemy)
    3:Slap it into the last PCI slot, with luck your board is one of those "Last PCI slot has no IRQ set or will get a personal IRQ" and youll be in buisness.
    3:Disable it. Give up, The 8800 is to powerfull, what ever is sharing the interrupt with the 8800 has to die, Disable it and let Ms 8800 have its own IRQ at the cost of killing what ever else was there in the first place, if you dont like this you can thank Mr Bill Gates for it.
    Extra info on the Problem:
    I wonder when SOMEONE will come up with a MANUAL way to set interrupts instead of this Jack-in-the-Box rat suprize way of doing it. (NO, the "Properties" way of doing it stopped working back in 1998 and ISA card slots, in case you hadnt noticed so please stop saying theres a "way" to manually set interrupts when there CLEARLY isnt, if there was one i think wed know about it already and wouldnt be asking for one)

    6: Audigy X-fi,
    Cause:
    Theres SOMETHING in the way the X-Fi reads memory that the 8800 doesnt like.. it feels like it has to compete so it constantly takes jabs at the X-fi untill they both crash. add that to the X-fi being just as/or worse than/ the 8800 when it comes to IRQ assignment and you got a helluva mix
    How to fix:
    Theres 3 ways to fix this:
    1: Remove it, unless you REAAAAAALLY need/want your X-fi and are willing to spend the next 3 days making it work then proceed with step 2 otherwise just remove it right now and rid urself of a pain.
    2: Change it from PCI Slot untill it hits an IRQ that is not as critical and disable what ever is sharing an IRQ with it.
    2: Stick in last slot and pray. it MAY work... if it doesnt, go back to step 1
    Extra info on the problem:
    Creative is as paranoid as the RIAA with its software and licenses and as bad at making drivers as Nvidia and/or ATI, what do you get when you combine both? you dont wanna know.

    7: PCI-E 16x 75w+ power drain
    Cause:
    your board doesnt support heavy draw cards on its PCI-E Bus
    How to fix:
    Get a new Board
    Extra info on the problem:
    Some boards got spare juice connectors on them to power the extra draw some cards generate on the PCI-E slots, if yours has this, use it.

    8: Stick of RAM Removal
    Cause:
    Something with the memory interface doesnt work right with the 8800 drivers
    How to Fix:
    Remove a stick of ram or move it to the oposite channel to force the computer into Single Channel mode.
    Extra info on the problem:
    By removing a stick of RAM and "downgrading" the machine to Single channel instead of dual channel, forces the 8800 to "calm down" and "play fair" when it reads the system memory bus so BSODS magially stop when the 8800 stops being a pain with the other peripherals

    9: PCI-E Slot
    Cause:
    The PCI-E Slot you are plugging it in either is not 16X or the board isnt making it work properly
    How to fix:
    Change the card from slot into a secondary or slave slot and see if it works there.

    10: Bios Updates
    Cause:
    Crappy Bios releases (See Bad Axe 2 Original Bios or Asus Stryker Original Bios) make the computer not know WTF to do with the 8800 or how to even read memory properly
    How to fix:
    Install your motherboards latest Bios.
    Extra info on the problem:
    When my board came out the damn thing couldnt even boot up properly, it had all kinds of errors, with the new BIOS its working fine, hell the Asus striker a friend had wouldnt even load up vista because it refused to properly detect the DRAMM Timings of its very expensive ram causing it to lock up so always keep your bios up to date, Motherboard manufacturers, release hardware first and suport later so dont expect stuff to work right out of the box

    11: DRAMM Timing/Voltage
    Cause:
    The 8800 driver has a Paris Hilton complex, in which it believes it owns the computer and all its resources, and it can take what ever it wants without needing to ask.
    How to Fix?:
    Increase your Dram Voltage to 2.1 Volts and 5-5-5-15 (for DDR2 800) for other RAMs check ur provider, make sure the ram has spare leeway for "accidents" and dont time it too tight, this is to give it a small cushion for when the 8800 draws data from the system ram, when it does this it wreaks havock on the rams timings and voltages, causing ram errors and eventually BSODS
    Extra info on the problem:
    The 8800 driver design is crap, it basically acts like a 4 year old bully when playing in the motherboard sandbox with other peripherals, when it wants to read the system memory directly from the PCI-E bus it just goes ahead and forcefully takes the data without asking anyone, usually Cheap crappy RAM being the Hobo that it is gets bullied and doesnt complain, but Expensive high performance RAM doesnt like to put up with that kinda crap from anyone, expecially not comming from Ms. 8800 Paris Hilton so whats it do? its tells the 8800 he can go ahead and take its memory "request" and shove it up its.... and well the Mommy windows doesnt like when kids fight so she takes the ball from them both and tells them game is over in the form of a nice BSOD in your face.

    12: Underclocking
    Cause:
    Nvidia Cannot overclock its own chips for its life.
    How to fix?:
    http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=163
    Install Riva Tuner and Software Underclock your Factory overclocked card back to its INTENDED SPEFICICATIONS. and watch as magically the BSODS stop.
    Extra info on the problem:
    Out of 2 factory overclocked cards (1 EVGA, 1 BFG) both gave me BSODS, i manually Under-Clocked them back to their intended original speed and guess what? no more BSODs.. how strange.... ive read if you overclock the cards yourself is fine but never buy a factory overclocked card, after this im sure as hell learning from my mistakes.

    Myths about this card (At least the ones i found)

    1: Its NOT your PSU
    If you have a decent NEW PSU that says SLI ready and has 480+ Watts your good to go, despite what other people tell you its NOT the PSU, its the 8800 Card.
    2: Its NOT your RAM
    As long as you got NORMAL, STOCK ram that hasnt been touched by a dirty overclocker, you are fine, DO NOT MESS WITH YOUR RAM, the 8800 is VERY picky when it messes with your ram, if you mess with it and then it messes with it youll have serious BSODS comming up.
    3: Its NOT your CPU
    Self explaining, as long as you got a 3 year old or less CPU your good to go
    4: Its NOT your Motherboard
    Unless you have an Nvidia chipset board or some other cheap chinese board, then your problem is your motherboard which isnt compatible even with itself, but thats another story. As a rule of thumb on boards that has yet to fail me, if it costed 150+ bucks, then its good, if it costed less and thats its REAL MSRP price then you have a crap board and I suggest you get a new one.
    5: Its NOT your other cards
    Unless you got a creative X-fi card, then u got serious issues.;
     
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    i am glad i found this thread , i almost pulled my hair out trying to figure out why bf2142 was hanging and giving corrupt colors ............. i have ballistix crucial which ahve the d9 microns
     
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    ok my BSODs are gone , but my game halts up after playing about 30-40 min (bf2142) anyone else know anythign about this or having the same problems , thx ?
     
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    Did you crank the fan speed all the way up?
     
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    i thought it was 100% but i guess rivatuner defaulted back when i but the beta drivers up 160.05 .................... anyways alls cool n nice , now but thx for reminding me about that i wud have finally figured it out but not until i pulled some hair out first , lol:)
     
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    I too have this problem with battlefield..think u may find its nothing to do with your hardware..its gone through my full clan..Mine just freezes solid,sometimes ctrl,alt&del works other times i have to hit reset button..it's really frustrating..:shadedshu
     
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    have u tried the above steps ? it worked for me.
     
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    I would like to see stats of how many people with 8800 cards are able to play BF2142 without any trouble. I think it's the latest PB release, but I could be wrong. I can play FEAR, HL: Episode 1, Oblivion, BF2, Far Cry, and even the lates demos like Lost Planet for hours on end, but 2142 keeps freezing and sound looping on me.
     
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    Hi,
    I recently got myself a XFX 8800GTS (640MB), and I would say I'm one happy camper. :)
    No problems what so ever. I had a minor thingy with my sound card, so without breaking any sweat I simply changed it to another PCI slot and all is set. I'm currently playing

    1. ARMA
    2. Silent Hunter IV
    3. F.E.A.R
    4. Rainbow SIx Vegas
    5. GRAW

    Except for ARMA I play all the rest at MAX settings. ARMA I play only on High settings not very high, but then thats ARMA's problem not 8800's. I would say most of the problems in a PC are linked with the motherboard. CHEAP motherboard means ton of problems, if the mobo is stable, it will many a times make other cheap harware run without crashing the system.

    My play times all range from 30 mins to more than two hours.
     
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    go to totalbf2142.com forums , they have this whole issue there , after i fixed bsod , i keep freezing upinto the game liek 10-20 minutes or so , sound loop and complete freeze , have to reboot to get out of it ....

    this is definately happened to most of the folks after the PB release , u should read up on thsoe forums one guy got soem isntructions in ow to fix it after harassing EA day in and day out .......... i have not tried ti myself yet m, havent had the time , if u have any luck post here =)
     
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    I've tried every fix listed in Google, on EA Forums..............every forum referencing this issue. Seems like peeps that don't have a problem are those with POS Pentium D's and a card like a 7300GS or something like that.
     
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    lol , true , cause the guy who did get it to work was runnign a P4 with a geforce 6600 gt lol
     
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    You tried everything up top, right?


    I thought I saw something on this before.... let me see if I can dig it up for you
     
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    hey i fixed mine , no more freezes , it was quite simple ............... just go open your bf2142 folder , and locate the punkbuster folder , which is usually pb , and delete it manually do not uninstall it ...................... and then go to punbuster website download there latest update and install it on comp , run the prog. and add bf2142 to it , it will then tell u punkbuster is not installed on bf2142 , then u click on update punkbuster while selecting bf2142 in tis drop down menu , it will update bf2142 , and then go play the game , i been playing for over 16 hrs without any freezes ................. (knock on wood) :D
     
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    d44ve some people are experiencing a newer problem after gettign rid of the bsod , its a total freeze on the game and it had something to do with the punkbusters new update automatically beign downloaded when installing the games new patch. anyways go here , this is where i learned how to fix this new problem. http://www.totalbf2142.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23126&page=5
     
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    very cool, thanks!
     
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    Guys, if you have DEP turned off, turn it back on. My game has not crashed since I turned it back on.
     
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    Never had an issue with my 8800 gts in fact just ran Oblivion for 5 hours on high settings with everything turned on ave 65-75 fps temps touching 69 c on the card the whole time.are there a lot of problems with the 8800s? have not seen a lot of people posting. I do run an nvidia board. Is this one of those joke threads?
     
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    this is a nice informative thread here, it seems that the days of buying a highend rig and being able to play games without a hitch went away a long time ago, I'll pass this thread on to some of the other forums I'm a member of, seems many are having similar issues.
     
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    Awsome! I am glad I can help

    However, I cannot take all the credit. I simply saw this on another forum and posted it on here.


    Thanks though!
     
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    I want an 8800 *looks at this* :S
     
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    Like my post many posts up said it was a punkbuster issue i knew it was a punkbuster issue.
    I dont even run a 8800 and vista so i knew it was nothing to do with that..All i did to fix was a total reinstall of the game and voila sorted,the new punkbuster must corrupt something on install..
    And the rest of my clan are playing as normal now too and some do run 8800's..
     
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    @ tkpenalty, this is not an 8800 card problem , go to totalbf2142 , ppl are running the 2900 xt and having same issues ........................ even with x1900 and x1k series .............................. however i tried turnign on DEP but that only made it freeze after like 20 minutes into the game , i was happy atleast i can play 20 minutes or more before it freezes every time , the game ran perfect till Punkbuster updated to new patch including bf2142 1.25 patch , sux .
     
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    How many of you using RivaTuner to control your fan speeds are having BSOD and lock up issues? Anyone care to uninstall Riva Tuner and see if it clears up your problem? I really don't want to uninstall RT as ALL of my other games run just fine with it, but there's been talk about RT and 2142 not playing well together.
     
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    I turned off Riva Tuner after setting my fan to 100% and I was able game all night. When I was done, I re-enabled RT.
     

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