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It's practically all day long. How does the OC affect its lifespan?
 
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o_O Uh, whats a 4970k? I've heard of a 4790k and a 4960k, but not a 4970k.
 

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my OC dreams have been crushed and it looks like I mixed a bit of gtx 970 into the 4790k
 

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my OC dreams have been crushed and it looks like I mixed a bit of gtx 970 into the 4790k
Don't take it that way, there are many good Chip in the market that can be Overclock it at 5.0Ghz, and cost less than the 4790k and you can get the same or better performance of it.
 

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my OC dreams have been crushed and it looks like I mixed a bit of gtx 970 into the 4790k

Make 5.0 a distant goal...work your way towards it. Also remember you will not notice a difference in gaming between stock 4.0/4.4 turbo and OC'd 4.0/5.0 turbo. Why? Because if you have a stock CPU that powerful, everything else in your system needs to catch up.

I am running my 4790k at stock speeds and undervolted. I also had a 4770k that I ran from stock to 4.5Ghz and back again...never noticed a difference honestly. Might save a few seconds on transcoding, might gain a few unnoticeable FPS in games...and squeeze a few extra points from a bench mark. OC-ing is fun, that's why I do it...but with modern CPU's I don't expect a huge performance increase, if any at all from it anymore. Just some food for thought.

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Sometimes use Google and read it doesn't hurt.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2461705,00.asp

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Every thought is a world.
Every of us have a different way to think, many of the reviews that I has reading about this Chip wasnt that great at all, I am not saying no to buy it just read a bit around.
 
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but with modern CPU's I don't expect a huge performance increase, if any at all from it anymore. Just some food for thought.

That is the big point where i agree with you
10+
 

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but with modern CPU's I don't expect a huge performance increase, if any at all from it anymore. Just some food for thought.

I really miss the olden days. .(

Also remember every chip is different. Some overclock like mad and uses little power doing so, some require tons of voltage to achieve the same result, if they even can get to it. There's no such thing as a guaranteed overclock. The K means they can be overclocked, but it doesn't say anything about how much and what it takes to get there.
 

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I really miss the olden days. .(

Also remember every chip is different. Some overclock like mad and uses little power doing so, some require tons of voltage to achieve the same result, if they even can get to it. There's no such thing as a guaranteed overclock. The K means they can be overclocked, but it doesn't say anything about how much and what it takes to get there.

i dont know how far could be pushed the 4770k, but in my own experience older Chips like 2500k-2600k-2700k and 3700k i own one my self can do better overclock , Intel released a few moderns CPU's but no deal when we talk about Overclock it.

what is all about buying new moderns CPU's?
an excuse to upgrade to Modern CPU sockets.
and what with that?
buy the
latest CPU's that Intel release without ANY BENEFIT and performance for what you paid.
 
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I am running my 4790k at stock speeds and undervolted. I also had a 4770k that I ran from stock to 4.5Ghz and back again...never noticed a difference honestly. Might save a few seconds on transcoding, might gain a few unnoticeable FPS in games...and squeeze a few extra points from a bench mark. OC-ing is fun, that's why I do it...but with modern CPU's I don't expect a huge performance increase, if any at all from it anymore. Just some food for thought.

:toast:

This is why I will probably keep my rig stock. I think hyperthreading elimates the need for OCing
 

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This is why I will probably keep my rig stock. I think hyperthreading elimates the need for OCing

Welllll... yes and no. Depends on the title, which right now are very few that utilize 2 or even 3-4 cores (physical or HT logical). It's more dependent upon processing efficiencies and current base speeds being more than sufficient for modern gaming and media purposes. HT really only comes into play if you're a power user that does more than just gaming, at the same time, with several other tasks running at once...or have the rare game that supports 4+ cores and actually needs them...which as I just stated...is rare.

HT is useful for power users at this point, say you want to transcode one or two movies, play a new fancy game, browsing the web on another screen, while running a VM for other tasks and don't want to have the slowdown a non-HT CPU would give you.

My point is based on the last couple years worth of tests, where they show stock vs OC'd, and with games, seeing more than even a small handfull of extra frames isn't even noticeable because at that level, you're already experiencing a smooth gaming experience. Say for instance you play at 1080p resolutions and you already have 80FPS at 3.5GHz on a stock 4770k....then at 4.5GHz, you are seeing 85FPS... is it really worth the extra heat, power consumption, cooling required, and possibility for instability? Meh.

OC-ing is fun, but anymore that's where it ends for me...I like to see what I can achieve 24/7 with the lowest voltage and temps, and keeping it closer to stock power consumption... with Haswell and every other CPU, there is that boundary you cross when OC-ing where power consumption increases A LOT, which means the return on performance investment is really reduced overall. At least that is based off of my experience and research.

Just my thoughts. Now I'm off to work. Have a good afternoon folks! :toast:
 

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Are the moderns CPU's making people to change mind about Overclock and giving up? or maybe I am just overreacting :banghead:
 
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Actually 4770k is hotter than 5960x because of the bad silicone grease, but I don't know about 4790k. Heard that Intel changed better silicone grease on 4790k? But I think it is much weaker than soldering tin which is on 5960x.
 

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Actually 4770k is hotter than 5960x because of the bad silicone grease, but I don't know about 4790k. Heard that Intel changed better silicone grease on 4790k? But I think it is much weaker than soldering tin which is on 5960x.
I posted some links read it if you have time.
 

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Welllll... yes and no. Depends on the title, which right now are very few that utilize 2 or even 3-4 cores (physical or HT logical). It's more dependent upon processing efficiencies and current base speeds being more than sufficient for modern gaming and media purposes. HT really only comes into play if you're a power user that does more than just gaming, at the same time, with several other tasks running at once...or have the rare game that supports 4+ cores and actually needs them...which as I just stated...is rare.

HT is useful for power users at this point, say you want to transcode one or two movies, play a new fancy game, browsing the web on another screen, while running a VM for other tasks and don't want to have the slowdown a non-HT CPU would give you.

My point is based on the last couple years worth of tests, where they show stock vs OC'd, and with games, seeing more than even a small handfull of extra frames isn't even noticeable because at that level, you're already experiencing a smooth gaming experience. Say for instance you play at 1080p resolutions and you already have 80FPS at 3.5GHz on a stock 4770k....then at 4.5GHz, you are seeing 85FPS... is it really worth the extra heat, power consumption, cooling required, and possibility for instability? Meh.

OC-ing is fun, but anymore that's where it ends for me...I like to see what I can achieve 24/7 with the lowest voltage and temps, and keeping it closer to stock power consumption... with Haswell and every other CPU, there is that boundary you cross when OC-ing where power consumption increases A LOT, which means the return on performance investment is really reduced overall. At least that is based off of my experience and research.

Just my thoughts. Now I'm off to work. Have a good afternoon folks! :toast:

so here is my Silly question.
when we Overclock a Cpu we need to increase Clock speeds, increase voltages an bla bla bla, adding more heat and power consumption, and risking to domage the chip.

running an overclocked Cpu means could fail, die or be damage ( Cpu no safe)

running a cpu to stock clock speeds and voltage ( Cpu safe)

and what happen overclocking a Cpu and undervolting, which are the risks? :confused:
 

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Undervolting has stability issues as well..just like not enough voltage at OC. I don't imagine it'll hurt anything, but if you have continual crashes and BSOD's, expect data corruption and eventual hardware failure as it's being treated outside of operating parameters.

But also, if done like OC-ing testing and stability validation, you can expect to run a slightly lower voltage, which means better than stock power consumption, cooler temps and no change in performance.

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@Knoxx29

Undervolting has stability issues as well..just like not enough voltage at OC. I don't imagine it'll hurt anything, but if you have continual crashes and BSOD's, expect data corruption and eventual hardware failure as it's being treated outside of operating parameters.

But also, if done like OC-ing testing and stability validation, you can expect to run a slightly lower voltage, which means better than stock power consumption, cooler temps and no change in performance.

:toast:
so we can say that running my 3770k to 4.5Ghz and 1.25v is safe?
 

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you aren't gonna hit 5Ghz with a 4790k try more like 4.4 to 4.6 even that's asking a lot from haswell they even a 2500k/3770k isn't gonna hit 5Ghz without silly levels of voltage
beyond 4.2Ghz haswell starts requiring ~1.25v
 

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you aren't gonna hit 5Ghz with a 4790k try more like 4.4 to 4.6 even that's asking a lot from haswell they even a 2500k/3770k isn't gonna hit 5Ghz without silly levels of voltage
beyond 4.2Ghz haswell starts requiring ~1.25v

OneMoar here are my results:
4.5GHz 1.23v/1.24v/ 1.25v stable
temperatures in full load 50c

4.9Ghz 1.30v stable
temperatures in full load 55c

5.0Ghz 1.38v stable and solid like a rock.
Temperatures in full load 65c

Edit: 4.5Ghz 1.25v 50c
1.23v and 1.24v I didn't test the temperatures.

No all Cpu needs Silly voltages
 
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1.30V is what I would consider "silly" you severally shorten the lifespan of the chip at over 1.35V especially on haswell@lga 1150
the op is clueless and has literally zero chance of successfully hitting 5Ghz sorry but as my grandpa would say "demz da brakes"
 
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