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i7-5820K : Fatality Killer

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I'm experiencing strange Core speeds when OC'ing a new system.

CPU: i7-5820K
MB: ASRock X99X Fatality Killer


Settings
CPU Ratio: 45
CPU Cache Ration: Auto
Vcore Override: 1.275
CPU Cache Override: 1.250
CPU Input Voltage: Fixed
Fixed Voltage: 1.900
CPU LLC: LVL1

Save, Reboot, boot windows - CPUZ displays 3300MHz @ 12-34 ratio, however, when viewing the settings and voltages in FStream-OCTweaker its showing correct values. It ought to be 4500MHz.
 
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This is due to speed step and other efficiency controls in the bios. These dynamically change cpu values to minimize power use and thermal load dependent on CPU load.
 
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Benchmark Scores Faster than yours... I'd bet on it. :)
I'd guess you have power saving features enabled as well, yep. That is how it is supposed to work unless you disable those things. Basics!
 
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I have C1E disabled... I may have overlooked thermal throttling.

Well, I have all C-states disabled and thermal throttling and it's still not displaying the correct OC settings. I don't OC often, so it's very likely I missed something.

ftp://66.226.78.21/manual/Fatal1ty%20X99X%20Killer3.1.pdf
 
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Benchmark Scores Faster than yours... I'd bet on it. :)
Why would it thermally throttle at idle? Did you check temperatures if you thought that?

Windows Power Management. Set it to PERFORMANCE.
 
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Yep, it's set to performance. It's always set at that level.
 
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Benchmark Scores Faster than yours... I'd bet on it. :)
Confirm that its still on performance if you didn't before you posted.

That said, when you put a load on the CPU does CPUz show it ramping up to the correct speed?
 
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Benchmark Scores Faster than yours... I'd bet on it. :)
I can't see anything in the relevant pictures (the ones that are supposed to show an active load and the clockspeed).

Can you please tell us if when you put a load on the CPU if it ramps up to the proper speed?
 
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I can't see anything in the relevant pictures (the ones that are supposed to show an active load and the clockspeed).

Can you please tell us if when you put a load on the CPU if it ramps up to the proper speed?

No, it does not ramp up to the proper speed. It holds steady at 3300MHz @ x33 @ 1.276 V.

Prime has been running since a few minutes I posted the last screenshot, here is a current view.
 

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Benchmark Scores Faster than yours... I'd bet on it. :)
Do you have turbo enabled in the bios? You need turbo enabled to o/c in most BIOS' I believe...
 
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Do you have turbo enabled in the bios? You need turbo enabled to o/c in most BIOS' I believe...

Yes, Turbo is enabled.... though strictly going off HWiNfo and I hadn't disabled it.
 

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Benchmark Scores Faster than yours... I'd bet on it. :)
Can you post screenshots of your bios settings that show multi, turbo, sleep states, etc?
 
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Not sure how, unless the bios can do screenshots, but OCT should be sufficient because it reflects multi, volt... just not the others and wish that info were available in Fstream. I decided to let prime run out.
 

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With FAT32 USB plugged in, press "F12" to get BIOS screenshots.

While you are there, you might as well just re-enable all the power-saving stuff you disabled; might be the problem.
 
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Benchmark Scores Faster than yours... I'd bet on it. :)
The BIOS does screenshots. You just need a USB stick and hit F12 (in most bios). Your software doesn't show the things I am asking for... (C states, Turbo, etc).
 
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Usb didn't work for some reason. Found an old phone with a camera -- think i found a hidden menu.

Re-enabled thermal throttling and c-modes, issue persists. I'm beginning to wonder if the die is faulty or broken turbo boost.
 

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Benchmark Scores Faster than yours... I'd bet on it. :)
Are you on the latest BIOS?

I would guess it's not a hardware issue. PEBKAC. :)

Try to reset bios to defaults. Only change turbo multi and vcore and go again.
 
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Are you on the latest BIOS?

I would guess it's not a hardware issue. PEBKAC. :)

Try to reset bios to defaults. Only change turbo multi and vcore and go again.

Obviously I've done all that... the only PEBKAC here is on your end. :)

Yes, this is the current bios. All bios settings are 110% correct, you'd know that if you even knew what you were writing about.
 
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Benchmark Scores Faster than yours... I'd bet on it. :)
Obviously? Perhaps I missed something in your posts that says you gave tried all that...and if I did sorry. Otherwise, I'm only able to read minds on monday, lol!

I wouldn't talk trash about me not knowing what I'm doing either. :)

Can we move on to helping now?
 
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I'm beginning to wonder if the die is faulty or broken turbo boost.


It's likely Windows Power settings. I'd say 99.999999% of the time users have issues such as yours, it's OS power plan settings. Try entering into the settings for your active power plan and restore the default settings.
 
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Totally forgot about this page. Anyway, after returning from cozumel vacation and the system completely burned in, I discovered the issue was with ***REALTEMP*** which was continuously disabling TURBO after it launched on startup. I thought this was very quirky from the beginning. I eventually downloaded and installed "Intel Turbo Boost Technology Monitor" which provides the ability to see if Turbo boost is functioning correctly, and it was. Though wasn't after REALTEMP launched, so I opened RealTemp's settings and low-and-behold "Disable Turbo" was checked. Obviously it was checked since I did not have to reinstall Windows after all the hardware upgrades from the Q6600.

So, updating this so others who may experience the same issue don't waste valuable time.
  1. Validate if Turbo boost is properly working: Intel Turbo Boost Technology Monitor
  2. If using RealTemp, make sure "Disable Turbo" is UNCHECKED


I also thought I was screwed when Windows 10 kept asking to reactivate, since M$ claims the OS now recognizes new hardware and I'd have to purchase a new license. Disabled my firewall, clicked reactivate and poof -- all good. :)
 
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Benchmark Scores Faster than yours... I'd bet on it. :)
Glad you got it fixed!

But don't ever say the words 'burn in' like it matters with CPUs. :p
 
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From my experience, UEFI is pretty flaky. In BIOS, setting things was straight forward. Either it was set or it wasn't.

When I'm tweaking CPU multiplier for my Sabertooth X99, entered values often aren't registered correctly and I have to fiddle with them until I see CPU end clock change. Never had such issues with old BIOS.

Personally, I prefer adaptive VCore, with fixed one you'll have that voltage even when it clocks down.
 

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From my experience, UEFI is pretty flaky. In BIOS, setting things was straight forward. Either it was set or it wasn't.

When I'm tweaking CPU multiplier for my Sabertooth X99, entered values often aren't registered correctly and I have to fiddle with them until I see CPU end clock change. Never had such issues with old BIOS.

Personally, I prefer adaptive VCore, with fixed one you'll have that voltage even when it clocks down.
Welcome to the new ASUS. It's a good idea to reflash BIOS after 2 crashes. ROFL :p It's not a UEFI thing. ASUS board BIOSes let you push hard, and because of that, they might be able to be pushed a bit further than is "safe", compared to some other boards, and this has consequences. Like, there's a reason you can flash a board without even a CPU installed.

If you do not set everything manually, any auto setting can change at every boot when training happens. Don't leave stuff on auto, you won't have those "flakiness" issues.
 
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