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  1. Israar

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    Hey everyone!

    Long time no see, much changes but liking it either way! :)

    I've been off the scene now for a long time, so I'm quite rusty and I've had a lot go on since my last visit here, I've had a look about and I'm at a loss in honesty. I'm trying to plan out my next rig build, I have a basis of what I want to build the rig around though I need some advice on some missing parts and generally good or great pairs! :)

    The intention of the new rig will be specifically for gaming with the ability to stream my games and watching high quality streams. I do intend to overclock, though I'll have to do a lot of reading before I get in to that and first hand will need to acquire and build the rig too! :D

    Anyway, here's the list of parts that I'm going to base my system on for now though I would really appreciate any help and advice on maybe upgraded devices, additional devices, the parts I'm missing and reasons why you'd personally suggest those components.

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    O/S: Win7 HP 64bit
    M/B: Asus ROG Maximus VI HERO Intel Z87 Socket 1150
    CPU: Intel Core i7-4770K Socket 1150 Haswell
    GPU: EVGA GeForce GTX 770 Superclocked ACX 2GB
    SSD: Samsung 840 EVO 250GB
    HDD: Western Digital Caviar 1TB Green SATA III x2
    PSU: Corsair AX760W Full Modular 80+ Platinum PSU - CP-9020045-UK
    RAM: G.Skill TridentX 16GB - F3-2400C9Q-16GTXD
    Cooling: Corsair H110 Hydro CPU Cooler
    
    Case: Cooler Master HAF 932 Advanced
    Headset: STEELSERIES SIBERIA V2 FROST BLUE HEADSET
    Keyboard: Razer Deathstalker
    Mouse: Razer Naga MMO 5600DPI Gaming Mouse
    
    Finally got a list down of everything I'm considering to have as a set plan now, what do you guys and gals think of the current plan I have down? In terms of overclocking, I'm looking to go for around 4.5Ghz if the chip I get is from a decent batch :)

    --Lee
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    How can we suggest a case, that is very personal.
    With mobo I wouldn't bother with anything expensive, any 500w psu from good brand will do and any ram will do, 8gb for gaming 16gb for photo, video editing.
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    If you don't particularly need a small case, I'd go for a Fractal Design either R4 or Arc Midi 2. Lots of motherboard choices but you can try the new MSI gaming series, they are not expensive and have everything you need. Take a good 500-650W PSU (will be enough even if you choose a higher end gpu - as long as you stay with 1 GPU), ranging from Corsair CX500W (basic) to Corsair RM650W (good) or other good brands (depends on prices, offers and availability).

    Personally I'd pick 2x4GB sticks with 1600 or 1866 MHz with 9c and if you find yourself needing more later, you can buy another 2 sticks if you pick a mobo with 4 ram slots.
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  4. Solaris17

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    Hey buddy long time no see!

    Im waiting on my 4770k to come in but I grabbed this mobo

    https://www.google.com/search?q=GIGABYTE GA-Z87X-UD3H&rlz=1C1CHFX_enUS560US560&oq=GIGABYTE GA-Z87X-UD3H&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i61j69i59j0l3.457j0j4&sourceid=chrome&espv=210&es_sm=122&ie=UTF-8

    Though I also considered the MSI alternatives

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130692

    and

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130693

    I got the gigabyte because of my personal taste in the bios but from what iv seen while both MSI boards are good if its all the same to you the $10 price diffirence is worth it for the GD-65

    for a PSU I would run 600w plus for upgradability but thats just me.

    for a case I would shoot for atleast a midtower for air-flow

    and for ram I would grab a 16gb kit while they are as cheap as they are. Prices have been rising from last year and DDR4 is on the table and the price will jump again at that point in time.
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    With motherboards unless you want to squeeze every possible megahert avoid more expensive board like Asus ROG, Gigabyte UD7 OC and Asrock OC Formula. Try to find feature full boards like the Asus deluxe series, Giagbyte G1, MSI Gaming and Asrock Fatality/Extreme series.
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  6. Israar

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    Sorry, I overlooked that, I'll take it out haha! I have a case in mind already =)

    I'm going for minimum 8gb, though have been recommended to use 16gb, but given that what difference would it make performance wise?

    I'm going for a full tower, CoolerMaster HAF 932 style, that's my current case anyway, and I really do like this case in general =)

    When it comes to the PSU I will want to go with something that's exceptional, well, good or really good for reliability and stability if possible. I'm currently running a modula 1000W PSU, I wasn't sure anything as low as 500W would be any good, though I'm not up on PSU consumption with components in honesty! :)

    I will be sticking to single high end GPU, no reason for myself to go SLi as I'm not that interested in it. :)

    Any major difference in 2x4gb sticks as opposed to 4x2gb? Just out of curiosity I ask this, and you saying go for either 1600Mhz / 1877Mhz with a 9c, by 9c you mean the CAS latency or? I am quite rusty so I need to find my feet again! :)

    Solaris mate! Long time no see, we need to catch up and I'm sorry about my absence! :(

    I'll check out the board you're looking at, I do like Gigabyte, how well do they overclock with the 4770k?

    I like the fact with Gigabyte you get dual bios, so it's a lot safer for me, well makes me more comfortable flashing the bios should I say ;-D

    GD-65, was you referring to that as an upgrade to the one you chose or? I've not checked out either the GD-65 or the boards you've suggested just yet like, that's why this question is about :)

    So you'd personally go 16gb over 8gb, again, what would be the main difference in performance going 16gb over 8gb with a decent low cas?

    Hope all is well mate and like I said, we need to catch up! :)

    Will have a look in to this mate, though I would like to ultimately squeeze what I can out of the overclocking, so long as it is stable and it's a good overclock that's my main future goal for the rig when I get it all planned out :)

    Thank you for all the replies everyone, I really do appreciate all of this! :)

    --Lee
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    Remember PSU's are most efficient at 50-70% load, running 1000w on single gtx 760 is a waste.
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    See, I've never been too up on PSU's, it's always been one of my weaker points and I certainly didn't know that either, thanks for the clarification with that :)

    --Lee
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    +1, No need to have an overkill PSU, it just wastes energy and you also spend more to buy it.

    And about the RAM, if you buy 4x2GB sticks first of all you can't just add another 8GB later, you gotta throw them away and buy full new. Then, C9 is 9-9-9-24-1T ideally (nearly none mentions the last part thought).

    EDIT: here you get an idea of a system's power consumption under 3dMark11 http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/how-much-power-does-your-pc-use.196173/
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    I understand the ending up spending more on the higher wattage PSU and can understand a little more now with the waste from the link you posted :)

    So other that it being a hindrance, effectively there is no performance gains/loss by having 2x4gb, that's always good to know :)

    I knew about the timings as you stated, just didn't fully get what the 9c was specifically, although from the last part, 1T I don't fully know the difference between 1T and 2T, I know in the past rig I had a pair of modules that ran 2T (an OCZ pair if memory recalls correctly :)) but as I said, I will have to read up about what it means with 1T and 2T.

    Thanks again for the input too guys :)

    --Lee
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    Don't worry too much about 1T or 2T in RAM.
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    A GTX 760 is not a high end GPU. I'd rather see you get an i5 and a higher end GPU.

    One of the things that has changed with PC's is that it's now possible to easily build a small, powerful and yet quiet system.There are real gaming motherboards in mATX. There are mATX cases that work for a gaming setup, such as the 350D, Arc Midi, TJ08B-E to name a few. I won't even start with mITX.:laugh:
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    Damn thought I posted this hours ago, well the info still holds true!

    MB: Z87, they're all good. I love my Asus Z87-Pro, GB has some good stuff, huge followings for the MSI z87-g65. At least when I researched these builds, the basic Z87's generally OC'd as-well-as the most expensive Z87 boards, overall options and quality being the expensive factors, and ability to eeke out an extra 100Mhz on some boards.

    RAM: G.Skill...I got 8GB 2133 (should've gotten 16GB!). I love G.Skill. Good quality, good warranty and genrally great prices. Though RAM is spendy now compared to June when I built my current rig.

    PSU: I would consider an 80+ GOLD in 500-650Watt. I have a Corsair HX750...but I really have never needed that MUCH power even with my GTX770. Get the most efficient PSU you can imho. Quality over quantity. The Corsair HX series is amazing in my experiences with it and the cables are nice to work with for cable management. I prefer modular but depending on the case you buy that won't be overly important. An few zip ties and an hour of your time can go a LONG ways. Also keep in mind if you plan on adding an extra vid card in the future too. I prefer a single card for a simpler, more stable and ready-to-go solution.

    CASE: Depending on how you like to tweak your budget and what your goals are you could save a lot of money in some areas. I recommend many look at the Rosewill line of PC cases. I love my Lian Li but I've built far more gaming builds in Rosewill cases such as this:

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...47153&ef_id=UuMLiQAAAPi-VF4e:20140126182933:s

    Though I was considering going with this and going with a smaller Z87 MB and GTX760: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811352008

    I still want a gaming rig that fits in that...but with school and other priorities I just haven't been able to downsize my rig. I love my Z87-Pro and Lian Li PC-K62, just the fractal build would fit inside that mid tower...which is sweet! imho.

    COOLING: I see no mention of this on your list...and you better believe you'll need it and I recommend it even for STOCK running initially. The stock cooling is horrid, my first 4770k would hit the 100C throttle at stock speeds.

    Also, planning on overclocking do buy the Intel Performance Plan for yoru 4770k, it's a no-questions RMA so if you chip fails from OC-ing you can get it legitimately replaced: http://click.intel.com/tuningplan/

    With overclocking plan on better than stock cooling, a CM 212+ EVO at minimal. I love my Noctua U14S but it is kinda pricey too, yet my research found nothing in at it's price point that beats it at least when I researched it. Many go water or all-in-one solutions here. I prefer air cooling.

    Set some goals, keep researching, and go for it! Enjoy! :toast:
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    Why would you personally say a GTX 760 is not high end? I base my own opinions on things like these more than likely differently to you which is why you might not class it as a high end card? Why would you suggest going i5 and even higher on GPU? If so what would you personally suggest? Also by your own suggestions how well would I be able to overclock?

    Haha, I can get your drift there mate, I'm more of a bigger case lover than the smaller forms, but that's just something I've been like a while, I've even had my last rig in a U2-UFO if that rings a bell to you? XD

    Thanks Kursah!

    I'll have a look in to these, G.Skill Ripjaws came to mind, what would your opinion be of those? I have read that the Asus Z87's are some of the better overclocking boards but more towards the expensive side? I'm not too up on this side of the green yet but will be trying to get as much info as I can before I have a set build down on paper, as to which I'll follow to a Tee and build over this year =)

    I am quite in to cable management, I like to keep things neat and tidy, I'm not as good as some where they strip all the wires down and sleeve them, etc. Not gone that far yet but I'll have to get some pictures up of my current rig when I clean it out the next time to show you :)

    Will get back to you on the Rosewill cases, will have to have a good gander at them and see if there are any that take my fancy!

    You know I can't believe that I never put cooling down! o_O I am going for water cooling if I'm honest, albeit I don't mind air, I just want to get back in to the water scene again. I'm contemplating the Corsair Hydro series, but again, I'll have to try and find something that will be good to go with which ever CPU route I go for, unless I'm swayed by thebluebumblebee then I'll be sticking to the i7 4770k (which I'm pretty set on).

    Again thank you so much, I never knew anything about the Performance Plan, I'll read it shortly as I never knew that they even did anything concerning that! :)

    --Lee
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    It is true that if you focus only on gaming an i5 4670k will be 100% the same as an i7 4770k in terms of speed (because how many games use more than 4 cores and hyperthreading?) and both overclock exactly the same (4.3ghz is the worst possible batch, up to nearly 5ghz if you are lucky and your mobo is good).

    A smaller system (with mATX) and smaller case simply saves space and maybe a few coins but not worth considering if you really don't lack space. mATX was so much more expensive few years ago, now its around the same price, if not cheaper, while performance is the same (you just get less PCI-E slots)

    A gtx760 is a mid-range gaming GPU, you will have a very considerable increase in gaming performance with a gtx770 or higher (or amd's 290 with aftermarket cooler) while you can even-up the cost by purchasing a 4670k. Meanwhile, overclocking you GPU without altering voltage (safe) can get you at least 10% more fps in all cases.
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    Ripjaws are great, I've used em for years. Just watch what cooler(s) you use for your CPU...may be a tight fit or limiting what direction the hot air gets exhausted, etc. Even the cheaper Asus z87 boards OC very well...z87 overall on all boards I've dealt with from Asus, Asrock, MSI and GB are all solid. Get the one you like, has the features you want and fits your budget.

    I don't strip each wire down..but a handful of zip ties and a decent case make it all too easy. I look forward to seeing your pictures!

    Rosewill is just my go-to for affordable cases, they have a lot of features for the sub-$50 range. Even sub $100 range, but up towards that mark there's A LOT more competition.

    The 760 is a very capable card and very clockable. I have a 770 Gigabyte Windforce, it's a beast. I've seen 760's that accomplish quite a lot performance-wise at 1080p resolutions. Just don't expect Titan performance, but for an upper-mid-range graphics card it's solid. Bumblebee has some great knowledge and advice. But every situation and need is different, all we can do is offer you what we know and help you research what fits your needs the best. Most are good with a 4670k and a beefier graphics card. Few games take advantage of the hyperthreading the 4770k has. I enjoy my 4770k's performance, but honestly I don't use it to it's potential. Though I'm hoping it'll get me through several+ years of service too. That was my main goal with my current build.

    You are very welcome. If you go to the Club section of this forum there is a Haswell section, where cadaveca has posted a lot about his performance plan. It cost me $25 and gave me 3-year coverage on overclocking damage to my CPU that the standard Intel warranty doesn't cover. Well worth it to invest in imho.

    Good luck on your search, take your time, absorb the information, do your research, think about your current and future needs and things you won't use or need as well. You have a great start, I'm looking forward to reading about your finished build.

    :toast:
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    How successful are the overclocks or range for the overclocks on the i7 4770K out of curiosity? I hear the Asus have the highest potential concerning boards, though I'm not 100% certain yet concerning it...

    I'm going to go full tower most likely as I like the full towers, something about them that just takes my eyes, I like the CoolerMaster series and have also taken a liking to the older Shark Series of ThermalTake (was an old old build I had one, was good but too much front end weight), though I'm loving this HAF 932 I currently have :)

    I'm actually contemplating upping the GFX to the 770 range, I've never really been that much in to AMD GFX cards, I don't dislike them and I know they're good, but I have had more of a tendency to lean towards nVidia.

    Sorry I've only quoted a little bit from you, it wouldn't let me quote all three of you with the length of your reply hehe! :D

    I'm more keen towards the Asus and Gigabyte brands if I'm honest, I wasn't keen on my older builds with MSI, I was quite disappointed... Although I have seen plenty of decent reviews concerning the AsRock brand as of late.

    Zip ties are awesome too, they make such a difference! =)

    I'm more in to looking at future potential with the CPU, I know it would last me a long time (in thought anyway!) so I'm looking to build this rig for use for many years to come haha! I will agree with you on the Titan to 760 performance, I'd never expect to have that kind of performance with a 760, let alone a 770 or 780. I know they are monster cards but I don't want to spend that kind of money on a card like that, as nice as the Titan is, it doesn't scream buy me for it haha! That being said, I'm really thinking of going for the 770 instead of the 760! =)

    I'll definitely check out the thread you mentioned cadaveca has posted and give it a thorough read, I'm still looking about after work and pondering, while also reading up on different things to try and give me a more solid insight and decision on what to put in to the build as a set component, will take me some time but it will be set in stone! ;-)

    Also thanks on the looking forward to seeing the build, I'm also looking forward to it but it will be paper work first as I need to get myself a new car and back on the road before I buy the parts for this rig, as I said though once this is set down on paper it will be done in due time. =)

    :toast:

    Thanks xenocide! :)

    The Motherboard and RAM link to the same place, the ASRock Fatal1ty =)

    I quite like the PSU and the Alternative RAM, I am thinking of going down the G.Skill Ripjaw route for memory. Though unless I can get myself a good insight to the motherboards, I'm more than likely going to go down the Asus / Gigabyte route. :)

    Thanks for the input everyone, really really appreciate all the help thus far! <3

    --Lee

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