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    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7952603.stm

    Ridiculous. IDF is funded by the US to the tune of $3bn a year. Hamas and IDF are as bad as each other. Instead of mediating, the US funds one side.

    First person to come up with a figure of how many Israeli civilians died in teh conflict wins a cookie.
     
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    Let the flame war ensue.
     
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    I bet this gets locked before the third page.
     
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    The amount of Isreli's that died within the 22 day conflict is irrelevant. How many died before the conflict? I am glad my tax dollars go towards Isreal defending itself.
     
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    Go ahead and answer that. What caused the conflict in the first place.

    Seems to be murder for murder. The IDF needs to have proper accountability procedures before getting any US funding. Thats what I would demand anyway. After all, thats what is supposed separate an army and a terrorist force. Rules.

    edit: i'll answer it

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:I...tinians_killed_by_Israelis_in_Gaza_-_2008.png

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    By the end it was around a 950 palestinian civilians, 400 militants (hamas and other people that took up arms), 3 Israeli civilians (conflict period) and 10 IDF soldiers.
     
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    F*@K with the bull. Get the horn. I'm sorry but if the Palestinians don't want to die anymore then tell Hellboza to stop firing rockets.
     
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    What this man says^
     
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    Right... because Palestinians can to anything about Hezbollah who exist in Lebanon. If you are talking about Hamas, notice the lull in the above graph. Do you know why hamas started firing rockets? A little research will go a long way.

    Also the above people that got murdered. They are guilty of Hamas's crimes and therefore should die?

    For some people it seems ignorance is bliss.
     
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    I'm not sure i understand here, are you complaining about the "collateral damage"? (seriously whoever coined that should be shot)

    If so then you have Afghanistan and Iraq to compete there.
     
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    Its not collateral damage here though. Its as one soldier put it "cold blooded murder". Also note that US and British troops, well British at least, have procedures to investigate things like this. In fact US soldiers frequently get court marshalled and sentenced to jail. Not many but over the years it has happened. Although some argue, others are let off lightly.
     
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    Just like one soldier shooting another soldier is "cold blooded murder", just they dress it up a bit.

    I don't really understand your point at all... sorry, maybe i am not seeing the obvious :confused:
     
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    Hellboza is a main supporter Hamas. Second to only the Palestinian people. How many people really "deserve" to die? People who support their own demise. Yes ignorance is bliss for some people.
     
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    Killing a woman crossing the road for no reason = cold blooded murder. The same way the alabama shooting was murder.
     
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    Firing rockets into a schoolyard = cold blooded murder.
     
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    A soldier shooting a person that may or may not have a bomb on his or her person = cold blooded murder.
     
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    Also ghost101 before you start calling me anti-muslim know my wife is Lebanese.
     
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    Hezbollah may sympathise, but they certainly weren't firing the rockets which triggered the escalation. It was Hamas. Also how are palestinian people supposed to stop a foreign "terrorist" group/regime? Secondly you didnt say, that they were sypathisers, you said they should stop firing rockets.

    Changing the argument to save face?
     
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    :shadedshu

    Should've just blanket bombed palestine then? After all they all could have bombs? Kill everyone else on sight?
     
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    Yes. Whats your point? Note that 3 israeli civilians died. So a rocket didnt fall into a school.

    Funny you say that. because Israel did fire rockets into UN shelters. So murder?
     
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    As could the Israelis...

    Neither party is good here, neither one is better than the other. They both have killed in "cold blooded murder".
     
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    Well, I know one thing we can all agree on, murder is murder. I don't hold the life of an Isreli any more important than that of the Palestinian. None of them deserve this. Hamas wants a war. It's very unfortunate that militarily, Hamas are cowards that need to hide within civilian schools and mosques. But why do they need to do this? Well, because from a military standpoint they are weak, and their war agenda to them is much more important than the people they may or may not represent. With a weak military, they are trying to win things another way. By putting the Palestinian people on the front lines a pawns to gain international sympathy, which just so happens to be what the OP is really all about.
     
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    Yet the US gives them $3bn each year to build up their military.
     
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    AHHHHH, so your asking why does the USA fund Israel? If so i have no idea, i don't think they do either.
     
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    :laugh: Oh yeah I'm really worried about my "face" on the interwebz. Well think of Hezbollah like the U.S. Like the U.S. Isreal has no funding. Its the same as Hezbollah giving to Hamas. You blame us for Isreal and I blame Hezbollah for Hamas.

    If you're so passionate about Hamas why dont you go to Palestine and help them out. I'm sure they wouldnt cut your head off........right away :laugh:

    To avoid another 6 day war. Link
     
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    ^^^^^^

    Lebanon has no border to the gaza strip. Only Egypt does and Egypt doesn't like the palestinians and therefore no chance of any collusion. I have no idea where you are coming to the conclusion the US = Hezbollah. I didn't realise Hezbollah gave Hamas even $10m a year. Also the US want to equate themselves to a terrorist organisation?
     

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