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    hi i am in great confusion here for my current gamer pc upgrade

    my specs will be the same i will only change the mb/cpu/ram/gpu

    now without flaming between forums i have been recommended strongly not to go for the new socket 1150
    due to the high rate of failures

    Asus P8Z77V-LK motherboard
    Intel i5-3570K CPU
    Kingston HyperX Blu Red Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3 1600
    GIGABYTE GeForce GTX 760 2GB 256-Bit


    ASRock Z87 Extreme4 LGA 1150
    i5-4670K Haswell
    Kingston HyperX Blu Red Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3 1600
    GIGABYTE GeForce GTX 760 2GB 256-Bit

    as you see both settings comes in same price range , i have a strong desire to buy the new socket
    but the guys who recommended the old socket are real good experts . what is tech power up opinion ?
     
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    I'm not aware of any high failure rates with Haswell sockets. Can you be more specific? I don't think you would go wrong with either build, but since you need a total upgrade from Socket 775, you should probably go for the newer one, Haswell.
     
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    For what reason? Slightly poorer overclocking compared to Sandybridge? Besides the OC being less than stellar, they are more efficient than IVB and overclock just as well. They also offer a small percentage performance improvement. This whole 1150 being liable to fail is sheer nonsense.
     
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    I was reading in one of those links that IB was more efficient than Haswell under load. In the end, all things considered, they recommended the 3570k. And they can't write anything on the internet that's not true, right? :p

    But yea, never heard anything about higher 1150 failure rates.
     
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    For reals? That's news to me. I might have been wrong and presumptious all this time, but for some reason I always had the impression Haswell was supposed to be more power efficient.
     
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    It's only what I read on the conclusion here: http://www.ocaholic.ch/modules/smartsection/item.php?itemid=1158&page=14

    "The entire story, or recommending an upgrade, gets even tougher and weirder when considering the power consumption. At stock clocks the Core i5-4670K is the most efficient CPU. Equipped with this CPU our test system pulls 106 Watt out of the wall, followed by the Core i5-3570K with 107 Watt and then there comes the Core i5-2500K with 120 Watt. This is the case, when we run wPrime, but when we put maximum load on the CPU using LinX the ranking looks like the following: the Core i5-3570K is in the lead with 116 Watt, then there is the Core i5-4760K with 128 Watt and at last there comes the i5-2500K with 135 Watt. And it's like that hasn't been confusing enough, when considering power consumption when the CPUs are overclocked, then the Core i5-2500K is becoming more efficient. So overall if we consider power consumption of all CPUs at stock frequencies as well as overclocked to 4.5 GHz, the Core i5-3570K seems like the overall smartest choice, since it's a bit faster than the 2500K and it draws quite a bit less power than the 4670K."

    I'm sure the MB has some bearing on the results!
     
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    Are you planning to run LinX all the time? This may sound like a smart ass question but it's really not. You found one benchmark that clouded the results and you are stuck on it. The newer technology has better power management, which will most likely use the least wattage over the life of the system compared to the older tech. You also have to consider that you are getting more performance with the newer tech. Do you also realize that the spead is 14 watts with wPrime and 19 watts with LinX? We've all done it; quit over analyzing it.:laugh:
     
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    I've had my 1150 haswell setup since the launch in June 2013, and have had 0 issues with my mainboard or processor...it was tricky to OC because of all of the different options provided, but it's been a cool-running, stable and very responsive build. Plus with future 1150 CPU's, why not go with the newer stuff? At the time there were sales that made z87 + 4770k almost the same price as z77 + 3770k...at that point with the research at the time it seemed like a no-brainer to me. Keep doing the research, list what is truly important to you, and maybe verify where you've heard of these 1150 failures? I have heard that earlier z87 boards have a USB3 issue with some devices coming from sleep??? I don't know exactly, nor have I had the issue even with my early revision board. My experience with haswell has been excellent.

    :toast:
     
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    You could, but if you don't need 4 hyperthreading cores, save $100+ and get the plenty capable and cooler running (in my experience) 4670k. It doesn't have hyperthreading. If you think you'll keep the system for 4+ yrs w/o upgrading then going 4770k may be necessary. But really either way you'll get a very good chip.

    Do yourself a favor and get the Intel Performance Plan...it's like $25 and covers damage from overclocking for one RMA replacement within the 3-year warranty that would otherwise not be covered.

    https://click.intel.com/tuningplan/
     
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    I got my ZOTAC GTX760 4GB and it overclocks pretty high and performs better then the 2gb cards. I highly recommend it for only like $30 more its worth it
     
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    i could keep it for 4 years even with the i5 4670k after seeing the comparsation page i dont see how necessary it is
    i mean its exactly the same cpu but with hyper thread in the i7 which is generally bad for gaming .

    http://ark.intel.com/compare/75048,75123

    so maybe i send the 100$ to a gtx770 .

    is ssd a good idea ?
     
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    Hyperthreading is bad for gaming? Where are you getting that information from? Hyperthreading has it's benefits when processing power is needed, specifically multi-core processing power. Maybe in specific single core optimized games there might be a little performance loss...though I can't say I've noticed any in any recent experience with modern CPU's that feature it.

    You may want to research or provide proof or experience before stating such things. Just like your comment about 1150 high rate of failures...which just isn't the case either, at least fwir all over the web and from what I've experienced.

    If anything it's supported in some games where it can help quite a bit (See BF3 and I'm sure BF4 for perfect examples), otherwise it shouldn't hurt gaming. In my experience it has not...I have the ability to turn off Hypethreading in BIOS....and I did recently I noticed 0 difference in the game(s) I played most frequently...mostly because they are stuck to 2 cores or less.

    An SSD is a good idea if you want fast boot times, it will make a nice difference...maybe get one large enough for an OS, programs and a few games (240GB+)...I run a 120GB for OS and some programs and a Linux partition. As useful as an SSD can be, it'd be last on my list of things to do in a gaming build...gamers don't NEED to have a 10 second boot time, and with games pushing 20,30, 40+GB in install sizes, the .50-$1.00 USD/GB doesn't make sense if you own and play a lot of games versus mechanical drives. Build up the performance, add an SSD later or if you have extra budget left over is what I'd recommend.

    A gtx770 is a solid investment, mine is a brute in games...I upgraded from an HD5870 and was very impressed. I have the Gigabyte Windforce edition. Though do some research, I've read of GTX760's being overclocked to match stock 770 performance or come close. Though 770's clock decently as well fwir, there's an OC thread here on TPU dedicated to GTX770s.

    Hope that helps! :toast:
     
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    yes thanks i did not male statements u was asking
    as you see , about the hyper threading i had a hyper threading cpu once it was a single come Pentium and it never made
    any difference when the dual core came out , it has nothing to do with having 2 cores showing on the device manger list ,
    provide us with any bench mark that shows hyper threading making any difference in games performance .
    maybe it wont be bad for games but its not recommended . amd cpu dose not have hyper thread and its not a factor in gaming .

    http://ark.intel.com/compare/75048,75123

    i can get the i7 but i cant see any difference except for the hp and the 2 mb cash its a thing to consider thou .
    i guess my system will look like your system Kursah's

    i7 4770k Asus Z87 GTX 770 WD Black Corsair HX750 SAMSUNG 2333SW lcd
     
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    If you go for the i5-4670K now, you should be able to upgrade, if needed or wanted, in 2 years. (don't ever plan on this, manufacturers can change course at any time)

    Questions before I offer any other advice:
    1)Are you replacing your current system or are some of those parts available for this new system?
    2)Do you ever see yourself getting a second graphics card?
     
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    Honestly I find use from the extra threads, be it in games that use them (when gaming) or the massive amount of multitasking and data manipulation tasks I do. Otherwise I would've saved $100 and gone with the 4670k, I would still stick with this board series or gone with the MSI G65. I needed wifi, and the Asus Pro's wifi is top notch from my experience.

    The Corsair PSU has been amazing...the newer ones are sweet too...mines from 2009 I believe. Still a beast...even under an OCCT PSU test load (loads CPU, Ram and VGA), the exhaust is cool.

    Also bumblebee's questions are ones you should be asking yourself. I honestly should've went with a smaller board an case...I love my mid tower but I will never use a second card...every time I think I will I end up saving and buying a more powerful single card to get me through for 2-4 years.

    Honestly for a great gaming build the 4670 will to just fine, even in games that utilize HT, when it's more mainstream we'll probably be on the next or next next gen CPU's and chipsets. But it's sure nice to have that extra capability now when I need it...but again I have uses beyond gaming for it, but games will only get better with implementations of it.

    You're going to have a great build regardless of which CPU you choose. Something that will last you years with solid performance. :toast:
     
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    all the parts in my system information will remain except for the mother board and everything on it . the 4 parts i posted . and yes my corsair 750tx PSU is from 2009 also .
    i dont do sli vga ill just go for the 770gtx

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130692

    is this better ? or this

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157371
     
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    Are you planning on over clocking?
     
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    it was socket 1156 with the failures, combination of the 3 screw approach from intel & foxconn's build quality

    nothing has been failing recently other than the initial sandy bridge SATA recall & ivy's thermals (not a failure, just annoyed overclockers)
     
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    i will oc but not at first , later when the pc get older . i got my current rig rig ocied to max as you see .

    as for now it will be like this

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116901
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131989
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820104341

    dunno about the vga an r9 280x or 770 gtx look at this


    http://gamesystemrequirements.com/games.php?id=906
    http://gamesystemrequirements.com/games.php?id=1694

    lol who requested an i5?

    they want i7 and 6 cores cpu and 16 gb ram and 3 gb vga so the amd looks more logical than the 2 gb 770gtx
    how is the 2 cards on bench marks ?

    maybe the 770 gtx 4 gb ?
     
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    My PNY GTX 770 OC is a tiny bit faster than my old Gigabyte 7970 OC. The 7970 is similar/same as the 280x. Don't bother getting more than 2GB of ram if you go with a 770. It provides zero benefit.
     
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    maybe it would if the game kicked more than 2 gb ram ?? as if the used less than 2 gb you wont notice the difference

    at anyway you are recommending the 770 gtx
     
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    Yeah i agree, i5 the same as i7 for gaming, better would be consider i5 + gtx 780 or 290 with water cooling.
     
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    Not really, they are close, but sli and xfire require more processing power than single GPU setups.

    [​IMG]
     
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