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[crazyeyesreaper]

he wont be buying till febraury and we specced out a athlon II x4 built with win7 4gigs ram etc etc and a new 650watt psu

id worry about overclocking and cooling when he can save the money for a new gpu since AM3 chips run fairly cool as is

 

[MRCL]

Crazy said one was included....the cooler i mean.

The coolers included with CPUs are stock coolers, they are barely able to keep the CPUs reasonably cool, thats why I wanted to know.

 

[crazyeyesreaper]

maybe for intell amds stock coolers tend to do fine seen the stock Phenom heatsinks beat out crowd favorites more then once but yea ive put together an Athlon II x4 rig and the stock cooler allows an overclock to 3.2ghz just fine 400mhz on a stock heatsink and being within the proper temp range isnt all that bad altho if lucky an Athlon II will hit 3.6ghz

 

[Eon the Wolf]

May not need OC though. I've never done it, I dont think anyone I know has done it, and My bros friend n him actually dont like the idea because of the chance of something melting...

 

[crazyeyesreaper]

LOL things wont melt u just have to be patient and work at it lol most gpu reviews you see have intell i7s stock 2.66ghz overclocked to 3.6ghz up to 4.2ghz overclocking is a way to get more bang for buck if you want to try overclocking theres alot of ppl here on TPU that can help with that when the time comes i know for a fact u can get 3ghz on an Athlon II x4 at stock voltage so u can get an extra 200mhz speed boost by bumping the FSB a few times and leaving it as is but its something to worry about at a later time

 

[Eon the Wolf]

I may want it for my bros CPU. He'll be upgrading, but for now...for some reason....his pentium D is loading older games slowly....it lags on LD1...2....Beyond Good n Evil.....HL2....
Heck, you could probably get him a somewhat decent deal. He's got 2 300 GB hd, case, pentium d, 9600 GT I believe it is... n 4 gb of ddr 2 ram....Although THAT is definitely for another time xD.

I personally would only bother with OC once stuff started laggin >.>
EDIT: Also. Best pic ever for crazy.

 

[crazyeyesreaper]

well like i said overclocking is easy its just about being patient

and MRCL you forget man we are used to 125watt + TDP chips with heavy overclocks what we need and what he needs are two different things

yea thanks saw Mr Deeds tonight and thought hell yea it fits to bad i couldnt fit the cigar in tho

 

[Eon the Wolf]

*points at crazy* what he said. Im not lookin to go from low end/lower mid end to TOP OF THE LINE RAPE. Just...a nice mid/near top line comp....'baby steps' as it were....

 

[crazyeyesreaper]

well thats definetly not anywhere close to top of the line but it will get the job done and later on the down the road its UPGRADABLE so u can slap in a new beefy gpu or faster Cpu etc etc or add a new cpu heatsink and fan and upgrade etc etc AM3 platform eventually will get a drop in 6 core cpu at somepoint budget price good upgrade path its a must if your on a limited budget and in my experience an 8800gts 640 is a bit faster then a 9600gt but not by much depends heavily on clock speed and overclocks etc etc but on average u can say an 8800gts 640 = the 9600gt and considering the 8800gts is not a 4 year old GPU thats nothing to sneeze at btw

 

[Eon the Wolf]

Yeah. Thats what my bros friend n I found out through lookin up stuff....for some reason, before it broke, my celeron D 3.33 Ghz single core was OUTPERFORMING my brother's pentium DD....makes us wonder if somethings limiting it or somethings not workin right....he got his upgrades from my moms friend, as she got her lap top. i got the cpu n the rest had been upgraded just bout....but meh....

 

[crazyeyesreaper]

well it depends the Pentium D is nothing more then 2 pentium 4s ducktaped together its crap i had one that celeron isnt any better either to be honest

 

[Eon the Wolf]

meh. Well, Im goin off for a few hours. gonna try n play doom 2 or somethin on my mothers lap top. Ill get back to you folks later if theres any monetary updates or questions by dear old mother. Thanks for the help.

 

[Eon the Wolf]

Okay. Update. if everything goes according to my calculations...I should have at least, or close to, or exactly, $480 to spend on comp upgrades. And the money SHOULD be arriving within the next 2 weeks. So can we get relatively the same deal as before, and if so will I have any left over? Or can we fit something else inside that $480 without going over? So basically I'm updating to ask this;
I have 480. Will we be able to find the same, or essentially the same deal?
Will that deal be the same cost (give or take 5-10 dollars) or will it cost less or more?
And if it costs less than before...can we fit a HD or a GPU or get a better CPU or something in there? Also, if it must, I'll have a reserve of bout 10 dollars or so....
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1006.68
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49.99 - AvP
480 - Computer Uprades
299.99 - 360 Elite
59.99 - Mass Effect 2 DDE
89.99 - Bioshock 2 Limited Edition
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is my budget, and the elite will be bought after the mail in rebates from the computer upgrades...and I'll be getting $20 to finish off the extra money that goes over the $1000, leaving bout 13-14 dollars or so in reserve incase something goes slightly over from tax or something costs slightly more in regards to the comp upgrades. So....

 

[crazyeyesreaper]

alright go through the above list of parts tell me what is a MUST

as in

case
psu
cpu
cpu cooler
ram
motherboard
gpu
hdd
dvd drive
Os

make a post of the above what is neccesary and what is MANDATORY out of the above

so can get the main parts down and then we can see what we can do with the remainder that will help considerably

 

[Eon the Wolf]

Case - It's decent. I can take pictures and upload them later tonight, as I got the camera working...sort of xD. But from what I described of whats in there, I believe you said it was decent...and truth be told I like it :3.

PSU - I need a new one. Like you folks said. If you can get that 650 watt one you listed before that'd be fine.

CPU - Would like a new CPU. I plan to give my bro my pentium E6300 temporarily until he buys his own replacement, as his pentium D is overheating...and plus, I would definitely like to upgrade to quadcore.

Cpu cooler - I would guess so if Im getting a quadcore or dual core. Would definitely be nice to not have it overheating thats for sure xD.

RAM - Well your previous deal was 4 GB DDR3 so that sounds good enough still.

Mobo - I need a new one. Thats the original reason I need this upgrade n decided to wait till now.

GPU - I have an 8800 GTS. It's good enough for what I need, so unless I can upgrade most of the other stuff, it can wait.

HDD - I've got a 300 GB drive that will be made my main and a 160 with a lot of my files already on. I can manage for 460 GB for now.

DVD Drive - I've got a 16x dvd rom. I would think it's fine enough...But if not, meh.

OS - You found Win7 in the deal back in jan, and you said quadcores n ddr3 n such is best on Win7 so...if you can get the same deal as back in jan for cheaper or the same, that will satify my interests.

 

[kurosagi01]

If you can wait for awhile there will be Phenom II X6 coming soon.

 

[Eon the Wolf]

I have $480 to spend on a comp.

I need a new mobo, so I might as well get a new CPU while im at it and upgrade the ram. And Ive been without my own personal computer since June 09. I am not waiting 'a little while longer'. I am buying this ****. ASAP. As in as soon as the combos are listed by crazy. No offense, but Im sick and tired of 'wait a little longer to get this' or 'wait a little longer for that'. No thank you. Whatever I get will be infinitely better than a pentium E6300 or nothing at all.
EDIT: Also, the mobo n cpu would beget a PSU, and if the combos are good enough, i might still get win7 as well. So ya know.... :/

 

[crazyeyesreaper]

ill do up what i can tonight and tomorrow night and see what i can find as anything i come up with the others here may be able to do better

 

[crazyeyesreaper]

PSU: Antec 550 watt Modular
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371016

RAM: Patriot G series DDR3 1333mhz
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820220435

OS: Win7 64bit Home Premium
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116754

CPU+Motherboard Combo: Athlon II x4 630 + Asus M4A785TD V EVO
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.334799

TOTAL PRICE SHIPPED: $475


Honorable Mention: Amd Phenom II x3 720 at $105 + Aftermarket Heatsink at $30-35 it put us over budget but the L3 cache does have a benefit in games

That gives you a 2.8ghz quadcore with a capable motherboard along with a modular PSU so any excess cables can be removed with 4 gigs ram and Win 7 64bit to take advantage of the extra memory reusing the parts you already have you should have a rig you can upgrade over time say athlon II x4 to Phenom II x4 or x6 (possibly on the x6 its not released yet) and 4gigs to 8gigs and a newer gpu as needed also the athlon II will easily overclock to give you more room and the multitude of ppl here on TPU can help u get there but the consensus is that 3.2-3.3ghz on stock voltage is achievable thats about a 400mhz bump in speed for you but thats something to leave for a later date, I suggest if possible that if others do post revisions that you take there advice and look at everything from different angles

things that might be brought up
1) dual cores are faster in game
2) get a tri core 720BE
3)save and just get a Phenom II x4

etc etc whatever they have to say weigh it with info you find TPU and reviews of the CPUs motherboards etc

the althon II x4 630 in most reviews ive seen it go from 3.4-3.8ghz from its stock of 2.8 so if you do decide you need a bit of extra speed id say 3.2ghz is easily doable with the stock heatsink

in gaming the x3 720 will be faster but you will need to buy a heatsink and one that cools well will cost about $35 so that puts us way over budget so i stuck with the Athlon II x4

 

[Eon the Wolf]

Well, if what you link will do the job for gaming, and there won't be any heat problems or power supply issues...I'm all for it. But yeah, if anyone else wants to post suggestions, go ahead. Keep in mind I'm a gamer so....
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Btw, why not a 650 watt? The 550 good enough?

 

[crazyeyesreaper]

antec psu are not the best they are reliable and fairly hardy its rated at 550watt constant but can output higher for peak load so it will handly any single gpu you buy

and again the 720be will overclock like butter and be faster in games then the Athlon II x4 but it requires you to by an aftermarket heatsink so thats + $30 right there then factor in combo discount its about $50 more to go with the 720be when i looked

as for now the above will do fine as more games become truly thread aware you should have no problems hell even crysis only uses 2 cores MAX.

and i went 550watt because its modular and im guessing you case dosent have good cable managment so by removing excess wires it will help improve airflow etc a 650watt is ideal but the one i would throw in there jacks the price up

with a better case for better airflow etc id opt for the corsair 650 or 750 but with a case with little airflow and no way to hide wires i have suggest the modular.

if you had about $60 more id say go 720BE and aftermarket cooling or Phenom II 955 or 945 or hell even the 925 if u want i can tool around a bit somemore and see what i can find


maybe have a better combo here give me a few minutes to sort it out

 

[crazyeyesreaper]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371016

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820220435

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116754

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.334826


these are the recommendations i would make to you if you can swing it if not here are 2 other options for the motherboard and cpu (2 choices the one listed ABOVE is my preferred choice)

Cheapest Combo 770 chipset with Phenom II 925 which clock for clock is better then the Athlon II x4 and if you overclock the 925 to 3.4ghz it will be equal to a 965 and at $70 or so less

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.335019

below is the middle of the road same 785g chipset

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.335023

Finally below is my choice the asus board is ridiculously stable and was tortued in an incubator set to 56'c and it never failed so reliability is top notch and what i care about most thus i recommend the below for CPU + Mobo

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.334826

Differences in cost are as follows with the same PSU RAM and OS

cheapest combo + shipping = $488

Middle of the road combo + shipping = 506

Recommend setup = $513

now the middle and recommended there the same chipset just the Asus board was ridiculously torture tested and stayed stable

 

[Eon the Wolf]

Well, my case's airblow isnt too bad...small 'vent'/series of holes on the bottom of the front panel. Giant vent on one of the sides, and a biiig hole/grill in back. I've got a 120 mm fan n 2 80 mm fans, 1 to each hole, not to mention the fans n heatsink all the pieces should naturally have...
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Well, I really cant afford to go over 480 right now...unless of course I buy the 360 first, use the gift cards ill get as a result to get Bioshock 2 significantly reduced, and then hopefully have more. But before I do that I need to know....
Your first suggestion, and these...which of them, if any, have mail in rebates...and how many/how much?

 

[crazyeyesreaper]

the first cheapest option has a $10 mail in rebate

i cant really stress enough how much i reccomend the setup i picked out if you can get that i suggest you do that its worth the extra $20 or so since those prices are the SHIPPED prices



http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211410

replace the patriot ram with the above ram and my recommended setup drops to $491 shipped

its about $10 more then your 480 but keeps the asus 785g board and the Phenom II 925 which again if u overclock it to 3-3.2ghz will give you perfomance similar to a 955be


http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3638&p=8

the above link shows why i recommend the Phenom II over the Athlon II since we can barely squeeze it in

 

[crazyeyesreaper]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371016

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211410

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116754

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.334826

that there comes to $491 shipped $481 before shipping lol called cutting it close eh?

but to put it simply $20 is buying you 30% more cpu performance if you overclock the 925 to 3.2ghz and we can help you do that you will get a large increase over the AII x4 630 in a situation like this id advise selling an old game to a buddy or take the bottles to a redemption center haha