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Intel graphics. They have come far. Where are they going?

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I dont know what to expect but i think intel has been keeping a bare minimum of sort with the tech for todays needs of people. As it stands right now AMD has a really nice solution with their own APU and it seems it is doing well.
 
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HD 2500 is laggy at best with many games Ump

Do you know this from experience? and the biggest problem with saying a game is laggy is there's no one specifying at what settings. source games that i've tested, L4D+TF2+CS:GO, all run as i said at med-hi settings. playable imo for anyone desperate to game but not have the money for a dedicated card. Everyone on here lives for tech and gaming, but for an avg joe that simply buys, installs, and runs a game its fine. I know plenty of gamer buddies that just press play and start a game. We hold game expectations to a higher standard and particularities.
I didn't test any other games bc i got my GTX 560.

I'm not saying that intel's integrated is a gaming solution, but if someone wants to game just to game and have fun, not being concerned with greatest graphics and just wants to get in the zone then intel HD will work at some resolution. For a desperate gamer that's acceptable
Agreed. Hd3000 is not too great. It struggles to play minecraft and the original bioshock. I would probably be happy with hd4600's meager performance level though in intel terms. Amd has some nice options too.

Did you test your HD 3000 at 1080p? as i notice that's your monitor's resolution. Did you do any testing? and in what games?
 
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I use my I5 Laptop for gaming, and it runs every game i've thrown at it on at least low, not too great, but good enough to get by.

They're not perfect, but compared to integrateds a few gens ago they are perfectly workable
 
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Do you know this from experience? and the biggest problem with saying a game is laggy is there's no one specifying at what settings. source games that i've tested, L4D+TF2+CS:GO, all run as i said at med-hi settings. playable imo for anyone desperate to game but not have the money for a dedicated card. Everyone on here lives for tech and gaming, but for an avg joe that simply buys, installs, and runs a game its fine. I know plenty of gamer buddies that just press play and start a game. We hold game expectations to a higher standard and particularities.
I didn't test any other games bc i got my GTX 560.

I'm not saying that intel's integrated is a gaming solution, but if someone wants to game just to game and have fun, not being concerned with greatest graphics and just wants to get in the zone then intel HD will work at some resolution. For a desperate gamer that's acceptable


Did you test your HD 3000 at 1080p? as i notice that's your monitor's resolution. Did you do any testing? and in what games?

Yes i do, I tested HD 3000 and choppy at best in many games at 1080p
 
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I tested the hd3000 at 1366x768 with only a handful of games. I was not testing persay but trying to play the games as at the time I was away from home and it was all I had. Minecraft at the lowest settings needed tiny view distance to not be choppy and get 30+fps. Need for speed world didn't do too bad on the lowest settings but not great. The original bioshock played at about 45fps on the lowest settings but seemed choppy. The original dues ex revolution played great. Quake III played great.
 

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Intel has something AMD and NVIDIA don't: access to superior fab processes. Intel will use that advantage (of being one or two fab process generations more advanced) to drop in more execution units, and attempt to beat them in entry-level performance.
 
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Intel has something AMD and NVIDIA don't: access to superior fab processes. Intel will use that advantage (of being one or two fab process generations more advanced) to drop in more execution units, and attempt to beat them in entry-level performance.

I can see Intel managing to become a menace in the mobile space when they get their 14nm process refined, I mean when the industry will be way behind in lithography they will probably dominate :/
 

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i like the idea behind this thread, but as an avid starcraft II player i feel the need to point out that the game is almost exclusively CPU bound, and not GPU bound at low settings.

this kinda messes with the one and only example/graph in the first post.


Overall i see intel competing in the mobile/laptop market, but never really entering into the high end GPU segment.
 
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i like the idea behind this thread, but as an avid starcraft II player i feel the need to point out that the game is almost exclusively CPU bound, and not GPU bound at low settings.

this kinda messes with the one and only example/graph in the first post.


Overall i see intel competing in the mobile/laptop market, but never really entering into the high end GPU segment.

I can put a better graph there. Which one would you suggest?
 

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I can put a better graph there. Which one would you suggest?

multiple :)

try and go for different genres and engines.

DX9 and DX11, FPS and RTS. vary it up.
 

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They have reaaaaaaaallyyyy long way to go. Years. I would say at least decade till they catch dedicated cards.
Intel has clearly already demonstrated they could with the Gen7 architecture. All they would need to do is add more sub-slices.

The thing is, Intel has never really cared for graphics and if they get involved in discreet graphics solutions, they're going to have to get into the driver business as well as deal with software developers more closely (especially games). I doubt they want to. Intel has gotten away so far with developers programming for Intel GPUs rather than Intel developing for software.

Monetarily, it doesn't make much sense anyway. Intel GMA/HD/Iris already has the largest market share for GPUs. The market for discreet cards is small by comparison and there is a lot of competition.

Intel was interested in Xeon Phi because of the chance that it could perhaps find more buyers of supplemental processor. The driver challenges killed that idea but Xeon Phi still has a market in super computing with a very distinct advantage: x86. x86 isn't an advantage in the GPU world.

My money is Intel stays away from discreet GPUs. They could, however, offer on-die GPUs that rival mid-range discreet GPUs in the future though (kind of already do with Iris Pro). I don't think they'll ever compete with high-end discreet GPUs simply because of the power/heat issues.
 
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multiple :)

try and go for different genres and engines.

DX9 and DX11, FPS and RTS. vary it up.

I was trying to keep it short and sweet. At that point I might as well just post the whole review or the link, and I already have the link there.

Intel has clearly already demonstrated they could with the Gen7 architecture. All they would need to do is add more sub-slices.

The thing is, Intel has never really cared for graphics and if they get involved in discreet graphics solutions, they're going to have to get into the driver business as well as deal with software developers more closely (especially games). I doubt they want to. Intel has gotten away so far with developers programming for Intel GPUs rather than Intel developing for software.

Monetarily, it doesn't make much sense anyway. Intel GMA/HD/Iris already has the largest market share for GPUs. The market for discreet cards is small by comparison and there is a lot of competition.

Intel was interested in Xeon Phi because of the chance that it could perhaps find more buyers of supplemental processor. The driver challenges killed that idea but Xeon Phi still has a market in super computing with a very distinct advantage: x86. x86 isn't an advantage in the GPU world.

My money is Intel stays away from discreet GPUs. They could, however, offer on-die GPUs that rival mid-range discreet GPUs in the future though (kind of already do with Iris Pro). I don't think they'll ever compete with high-end discreet GPUs simply because of the power/heat issues.
I think that was well said. I do wonder what intel could produce if they actually put a decent amount of time and money into making gpu's.


On a side note, its been 6 months and finally this thread is getting to where I wanted it too.
 

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the thing that bothers me about Intel graphics is that they stupidly put the best iGPUs on CPU that most dont use or disable. IMO they should be putting some of the better GFX on mainstream i5's and keep those GPUs off of enthusiast chips.
 

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the thing that bothers me about Intel graphics is that they stupidly put the best iGPUs on CPU that most dont use or disable. IMO they should be putting some of the better GFX on mainstream i5's and keep those GPUs off of enthusiast chips.

Iris Pro in an i3 would be killer. We'll see what happens I guess.
 

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the thing that bothers me about Intel graphics is that they stupidly put the best iGPUs on CPU that most dont use or disable. IMO they should be putting some of the better GFX on mainstream i5's and keep those GPUs off of enthusiast chips.
The problem with that is i3 with Iris Pro would probably run for i7 with HD 2500 prices. Most people would take the i7 because the people selling the computers have already had i7 > i3 drilled into their heads.

Remember, price is all about real estate. GPUs cost a lot of real estate, especially good GPUs.
 
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the thing that bothers me about Intel graphics is that they stupidly put the best iGPUs on CPU that most dont use or disable. IMO they should be putting some of the better GFX on mainstream i5's and keep those GPUs off of enthusiast chips.

THIS^

Putting the Iris GPU on an i3 or i5 in a laptop would be great. It would give AMD some much needed competition.

I think Intel could do a great thing in the laptop market if they increase their GPU performance and improve on drivers. They already have a superior CPU so bringing a comparable GPU to the table should keep AMD on it's heels.

Intel has been doing MUCH better these past few years, their GPU performance has increased, latest DirectX support and driver improvements. They recognize AMD's APU as real competition.
 
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Don't deny intel's maddd progress.

I found this interesting to watch
GMA 4500 vs HD 3000 vs HD 4000

And to further show intels progress, look at these graphs
GMA 4500, HD 1000, HD 3000

HD 4000, HD 4600


Here's a comparison of intel's newest HD 5200.
5200:100%
4600:77.43%
4000:46.82%
Intel Iris Pro 5200, HD 4600, HD 4000

I went through all the graphics tests;totaled, got avgs, to get results of relative performance like W1z does in his.
Screenshot of work


As you can see in a matter of 3 years(clarkdale), Intel has increased their performance roughly 4-5x over. other words 500%. That's some serious progress imo. And if you notice intel is beating Amd's APU now. only the A10-5800k, but the 6800k has the same gpu just 44mhz faster. which doesn't amount to much difference
6800k Review 1
6800k Review 2
 
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I found this interesting to watch
GMA 4500 vs HD 3000 vs HD 4000

And to further show intels progress, look at these graphs
GMA 4500, HD 1000, HD 3000
http://tpucdn.com/reviews/Intel/Core_i5_2500K_GPU/images/perfrel.gif
HD 4000, HD 4600
http://tpucdn.com/reviews/Intel/Core_i7_4770K_Haswell_GPU/images/perfrel.gif

Here's a comparison of intel's newest HD 5200.
5200:100%
4600:77.43%
4000:46.82%
Intel Iris Pro 5200, HD 4600, HD 4000

I went through all the graphics tests;totaled, got avgs, to get results of relative performance like W1z does in his.
Screenshot of work
http://img.techpowerup.org/130626/IntelHDpercentages2.jpg

As you can see in a matter of 3 years(clarkdale), Intel has increased their performance roughly 4-5x over. other words 500%. That's some serious progress imo. And if you notice intel is beating Amd's APU now. only the A10-5800k, but the 6800k has the same gpu just 44mhz faster. which doesn't amount to much difference
6800k Review 1
6800k Review 2
Intel may be beating amd in some tests but I question how much of that is cpu related.
 
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The market is headed to mobile as I can perceive.
IMO SoC are the future specially due to the mobile trend besides they are exponentially increasing its capacities and can do gaming fairly well at lower settings, dedicated cards will die or become a niche if it isn't yet, and with the new Xbox One, Wii U and PS4, higher end gaming could be moved to consoles. Integration is the key. Math coprocessor, HD controllers, memory controller, northbridge... all fused to the CPU or chipset, GPUs are the next.
 
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Storage 180gB Intel SSD 330 Series, WD Blue 500gB (AAKX).
Display(s) Samsung BX2031.
Case CM Elite 334.
Power Supply Corsair CX 430.
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System Name Halloween Boo!
Processor Intel Core i7 3770K
Motherboard Gigabyte Z77-Up7
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Memory 16G G.Skill trident 2400MHz
Video Card(s) 3 x Radeon 7970
Storage OCZ Revo Drive 240G
Display(s) 24 inch Viewsonic
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Power Supply Nexus 1100 watt
The problem as i see it with Intel is they do not dedicate as large of die space as AMD for on die GPU
 

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"I go fast!1!11!1!"
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Processor AMD Ryzen 7 5800X (65w eco profile)
Motherboard MSI B550 Gaming Plus
Cooling Scythe Mugen (rev 5)
Memory 2 x Kingston HyperX DDR4-3200 32 GiB
Video Card(s) AMD Radeon RX 7900 XT
Storage Samsung 980 Pro, Seagate Exos X20 TB 7200 RPM
Display(s) Nixeus NX-EDG274K (3840x2160@144 DP) + Samsung SyncMaster 906BW (1440x900@60 HDMI-DVI)
Case Coolermaster HAF 932 w/ USB 3.0 5.25" bay + USB 3.2 (A+C) 3.5" bay
Audio Device(s) Realtek ALC1150, Micca OriGen+
Power Supply Enermax Platimax 850w
Mouse Nixeus REVEL-X
Keyboard Tesoro Excalibur
Software Windows 10 Home 64-bit
Benchmark Scores Faster than the tortoise; slower than the hare.
They don't need to when they're pushing much higher clocks. I think Iris Pro 5200 clocks in at 1.3 GHz. Don't forget Intel has a large fabrication advantage.
 
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Video Card(s) EVGA GeForce GTX 980 Superclocked
Storage Corsair SSD Force GT 120 GB & Seagate Desktop SSHD 2TB
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Case Fractal Design Define R5
Power Supply OCZ ZT 650W
Software Windows 10 Pro 64bit
Now I'm using Intel HD 3000 on my i7-2600k bcs I have a problem with GPU.
And it's nice graphic! Of course... I can't play in Assassin's Creed 3 but I can still watch my desktop or play Minecraft - even 50fps! Awesome!
 
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