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Intel Old BIOS To New VISUAL BIOS Modification?

Discussion in 'Motherboards & Memory' started by Protagonist, Dec 22, 2012.

  1. OneMoar

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    its just not possible and you insisting that it is it aggravating
    1. there is no documentation for developers nor is there any src-code access for anything
    2. you CAN NOT just cut and paste stuff from one bios to another it wont work
    3. bios modding is usually limited to editing simple stuff like address tables or swamping sub images what you ask would require that someone have Source code access to even attempt it they would also need the exact motherboard AND a way to reflash it when it fails to boot meaning either a SPI cable or more likely a ROM-burning rig
    4. the bios 'mods' you are thinking of are just people basicly copy and pasting stuff ( cpu support unlocking stuff thats already there and swapping out the occasional firmware image the stuff such as the UI and the core of the logic are normally either encapsulated in a way to make them unmoddable without HIGH LEVEL tools that YOU CAN NOT GET unless you have a agreement with a bios vendor
    TL:DR can NOT be done
     
  2. Protagonist

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    I'm not insisting that it can be done, If you read most of my posts in this thread I use the word If It can be done. That is not insisting, thanks for your Info on how the BIOS process is at list I learn something about BIOS by making this thread, even if what i want can not be done i still learn somethings like the ones you have stated and the ones other fellow TPU members have stated, all in all its a learning process and for that I'm great full to TPU as a whole.
     
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    and you have been repeatedly told WHY IT CANT :banghead: hell even the SITE OWNER W1zzard stepped in and said it can't be done and his word is GOD and HE is one of the few that has the know-how and access to the tools todo it if it where feasible

    if i took my car to your house and asked you if you could give it a extra 500HP using only a Screwdriver and a roll of ductape one of two things would happen
    1. you would laugh me out of the drive way
    2. call the police thinking I was nuts
    and if I said that by YOU modding MY car with a screwdriver and some duct tape that I would learn about "performance tuning" they most certainly would lock me up


    lets say someone did mod the bios unless they have YOUR motherboard they would have had no way of testing it
    you go and flash it and BOOM it bricks it you are out a motherboard and the only thing you have learned is that when it comes to the system BIOS
    IF ITS NOT BROKE DONT FIX IT
    so assuming someone by some act of god made you a working bios
    what pray-tel have you learned
    congrats you learned how to boot from a disk and execute a flash something you should already know

    this whole thread screams one thing to me
    "I want this come hell or high water I am gonna get This"
    and if you are serious about understanding the bios
    start here
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BIOS
    then go here and ask around who knows maby one of them is the son-of-god and can get it done
    http://www.bios-mods.com/forum/
     
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  4. Frick

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    @OneMoar: Don't be retarded, w1z is no god and he did not say it was impossible, just that it couldn't be "done in a reasonable time". And those reasons you gave us in post number 26 tells us that it can be done with the right tools and knowledge. End users don't have the tools or the knowledge, but it can be done. Also, don't be an asshole.

    And seriously, "his word is GOD"? Wow.
     
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    Frick Fishfaced Nincompoop

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    Why? Aside from OneMoars asshattery (he is kind of an asshole anyway) it's been a good thread imo.
     
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    with the right tools and a shed full of motherboards to kill and a 5 Figure RnD budget yea you could write a alteturnative bios (see coreboot)
    is that gonna happen on TPU
    lolNOPE

    and maby calling w1z a.god was exaggerating but seriously at that point a bunch of senior members had told him why it wasn't possible in more detail then I think he understood
    and yea I know I am being a ass and I don't care sometimes you gotta be a bit of a jerk to get a point across lol(see my SIG)
    and my thank count tells me that I am doing a pretty decent job :p
     
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    Just calm down we are mature people in this forum and on my side i understand each and every post on this thread, you don't have to act like a cranky kid to get your point across.

    [​IMG]
     
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    Hey everyone (sorry for the slight bump, hopefully 5 days or so is acceptable on this forum!!!),

    I wanted to drop in and say that this post is correct, albeit unfortunately. I am one of the Visual BIOS developers and while I hate to bring bad news, we are not back-porting Visual BIOS to older boards - 7 series and beyond will have it; it's just one of the new features for Intel brand boards moving forward. We're working on some really cool stuff for the next series, so Protagonist, I do honestly recommend your 8 series plan. Feel free to contact me through Twitter (@VisualBIOS) or through email at visualbios (at) intel (dot) com.
     
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    o_O
    a intel employee quoted one of my posts :respect:
    not sure if I should be honored or scared
     
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    Thanks for your input. You state that you are an Intel employee is that correct?
     
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    Best to go with both! By the same token, it looks as though you are a valuable asset to this community, and your help on issues like these is always appreciated. :toast: There are so many different places on the net to ask questions that it is hard to spread reliable information, especially things concerning BIOS land and UEFI.

    It is. I am part of the Intel Desktop Boards division, and have been working on Visual BIOS since I started work at Intel. I do apologize if I'm breaking any rules - I wanted to create an account quickly before forgetting to respond or letting too much time pass. Cheers to you as well, for your modding efforts on this forum - it seems like a very decent place to ask technical questions. :toast:
     
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    Welcome to TPU:toast:
    You are not breaking any rules. It will be nice to have someone with your expertise joining our forum to help others with their questions:)
     
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    Hey thanks for your very good reply now i know for sure that it's not going to happen, its not bad news to me i kind if knew it from the start as Intel's new road maps do not state anything of the sot only indicate Visual Bios for 7 series and above. Thanks for the clarification.

    SO let me go straight to the point, What are you guys doing about the serious BIOS plague on DZ68BC on all 3rd gen BIOS from 0035, 0036, 0037 & now 0039 plagued with very many issues now that you are here PLEASE explain it to me why there is no fix yet. If you are in the BIOS team as you state then you will know the issues I'm talking about, I bet i have so many threads about the issues in the Internet including Intel Community i go by the name stephenb.b.r

    I just want a working BIOS free from problems, so please Tel me that you have something fixed cooking in the lab
     
  14. VisualBIOS Intel Visual BIOS Developer

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    Hey Protagonist,

    Sorry about the issues that you are seeing on DZ68BC. I don't personally work on the BIOS core itself for products so I can't really speak to the status of the issues you're talking about, but I do know how annoying they are. I believe the best route to take with them is a phone call at 1-916-377-7000, 07:00 to 17:00, (US Pacific Time) Monday - Friday. Apologies if you've already gone down that path. The trouble with talking to me is that I only develop Visual BIOS, not the DZ68BC BIOS core, but I will bring up your concerns where I can.
     
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    Buy a DZ77GA, put a DZ68BC sticker on it.
    Done, and in quick smart time too!

    As for a proper solution, I am sure there is someone out there who can do it, a retired developer/hacker or similar, but you may want to throw say, $5000 their way to do it, because money is a great incentive for people to make themselves and their skills known.
     
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    Thanks for your concern I already called, emailed and chatted on line with them as you guessed, I did all that last year for several months till i got tired. I would appreciate it very much if you could accelerate my concern hopefully you read my email that i sent to you. Maybe they'll listen to a fellow BIOS developer.
     
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    You can use the Intel Integrator Toolkit to modify most of their BIOSs (including yours). This is intended for enterprise IT admins, OEMs and embedded developers but anyone can use it. You can changing the boot display image (if supported) and default settings but you will not be able to switch to visual BIOS unless the old BIOS supports it (which I don't think it does).

    IIT.png

    Download the BIOS from here
    Download the toolkit from here. You want to open the itk file included in the BIOS update (BI) package.
     
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    The only thing I can say about this thread and the OP's question is... hahahahahahahahaha
     
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    I am a former BIOS developer but even if you paid me I probably still couldn't be bothered. Just to let you know how big the ballpark is, a fully custom BIOS port from scratch might cost you $40000-$60000 (depending on the level of customization). Been a while since I worked in that area though so the going rate may have changed.
     

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