Discussion in 'General Nonsense' started by TIGR, Aug 19, 2008.
Haha works for me.
ROFL We are starting to become one of the poorest countries now because of Bush. Seriously my family is living on 2 $10 an hour checks (not including mine), are losing our house, and have a $150 budget for 2 weeks of food And we are kinda "set" compared to some of the people i know around here.:shadedshu
you guys making the usa sound bad man, in jamaica they just offered free health care to anyone under 18, also free schooling up to high school.
That's it, let's all move to India.
yeah education has always been one that seems to be the last thing on our politicians minds. I work for a compnay called education2020 and we do online programs (mostly credit recovery, if johnny fails his econ class semester 1 of his senior year he can take an e2020 econ class and still graduate on time) and I have to say that a good chunk of the time, there's pe teachers running our program because they don't have the staff to spare. meaniong that is johnny has an econ question, he's on his own lol. (we're working on that giving a live feed between the students and our curriculum specialists)
it's crazy to see how so many schools get by on such a small budget, it's little wonder its hard to find teachers, there's not money in teaching.
Once the Bush administration took over America started to become that stinking pile of poo in between Mexico and Canada. I know its worse in other countries so im not really complaining all that much, but it could be alot better if we had the proper people in office :/
Kickass food, great medical care, great education, and an awesome culture.
My father has thyroid issues thanks to Chernobyl, he pays $12 for pills containing 100 micrograms of actual medicine, and he has to take this every day.
People become doctors in the US just for the money, they don't care about their patients. They can charge whatever they want.
that does not effect the economy, the reason your parents can't find better work is the compaines them selves, they want grauduates that they don't have to pay alot to have around and fire them in 5 years and get new ones. ITs how the world works today, thats not Bush, thats corprate America. Its like me saying its Erockers fault i let my sister wreck my car ya know?
Candle, everything you've stated when it comes to economics, politics, and social issues in the last month is really just plain offending.
Nah, it's just plain retarded...
There is nothing offensive in Candle's post. I pretty much agree with him, except the fact that the Bush administrations policies towards corporate America is the reason corporate America has so much power.
Well Bush is going by the original idea behind America, the Government was not meant to have control over the market actully. In truth paper money is illeagal, Kennedy had it made illeagal shorty before he died, yet its still printed on the authority of the US Government. In all truth though the US Government was setup to provide national secruity thats it. The Tax's are to pay for national secruity, and thats it. Local state tax's ect are to help the individual states out with there own personal needs. And Companies and the Market are supposed to be autonomus from the National Government control, this has not been followed of course since the early 1900's.
I was under the impression that the U.S. government was set up "in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity."
Sure, I see defense in there, but I also see "promote the general Welfare."
if only we could switch those numbers around, then we might have some funding to improve the infrastructure of our country before we try and go rebuild somebody else, because right now certain things aren't doing so hot in this country
health care, education, our justice system, ect...
and btw candle the bush administration has had a pretty big role in hurting our economy, especially since they can't budget worth a damn, candle not even you can argue this (granted economies do naturally have states of prosperity and decline, we just don't have that competent of an administration to deal with the decline)
as for the India thing lets do it! great food great culture and some great times, tpu India trip?
it pisses me off to no end, our school had a 7 year book/ software cycle where as the god damn football team got new equipment every 2 years is it just me or is there something wrong with that? there is a reason why schools exist and it isn't to play football, as fun as it is, it doesn't warrant the spending
Honestly, I'd be happy just to see one eighth of Iraq spending be added to education spending ... which would more than double the education budget!
Let's see ... educate people, kill people, educate people, kill people....
And within education, the sports/actual education spending ratio has been bothering me for a long time too! I couldn't agree more with you on that. "There is a reason why schools exist and it isn't to play football;" well said.
Woah. follow the link in my sig for a 'trip'. Whenever any of you happen to come to Hyderabad, be my guest
Dammit bta, stop it ... I like to travel, you might actually convince me to visit India. =P
that link just makes it look much more attractive, very beautiful country you live in bta
we had a debate going not too long ago in another thread around here where we were addressing our defense budget and how ridiculous it is: http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=66232&highlight=defense+budget
our system really is effed up something fierce.
We have the potential and the financial backing to get our society straight, but instead, our government does what it wants, regardless of popular opinion. Couple with the fact that not enough people actually pay any attention to what our government is up to, and who's cookie jar they're pilfering from, we've let our leadership go unchecked.
For example, one big gripe I have with our political leaders - when in office serving the country, they shouldn't be able to recieve "secondary" income from whatever business they run. IMO, it's a conflict of interest. How can you be properly focused on our country's progression when you're worried about the corporate sector. Take our president and vice president, for example. Bush reported taxable income of $719,000 for 2007 (the president's salary as set by congress is $400,000 annual, non-taxed). Cheney's taxable income reported for 2007 was $2,528,000 (vice president salary as set by congress is $198,000 annual, non-taxed).
And we wonder why our politicians keep forking out tax-cuts for the wealthy upper-class . . . cause they're all part of that social class!!!
Education is a state run program, the states r spending their money elsewhere and expecting the fed's to take up the slack when in reality its the states fault the schools aren't doing great.
And I may be biased... but I dont mind a large military budget . I'd rather have armor that works and keeps my ass from getting shot then drop $60 Billion towards covering poorly run state governments asses.
but if we can't afford to properly educate our people who is going to design the armor that keeps us safe?
also its not just the states fault our national gov has a pretty big part in our education system
thanks to no child left behind (POS that should have never passed) schools are lowering their standards just to get funding, quite a few schools have been closing in my area lately due to under-funding, and in turn its over crowding our schools leaving more and more problems
1/Paper money? Illegal? How would Kennedy have wanted you to pay that hot dog guy or little girls to pay the ice-cream man?
2/On one hand your view says that all the US govt. is meant to do is take your money (taxes) and blow it up on security (in-essence protect you), yet there are high levels of crime in American cities, what's the point in your money going to fighting "America's Enemies" who are on....another continent, when there isn't a guarantee of your backyard being 100% safe? For this very reason several states allow you to keep fire-arms for self-defense (?) but aren't you paying the government to do that very thing? Who's accountable? Someone has to be.
imperialreign, you're right that many people lack what I'd consider a sufficient involvement in politics. However, that just means that the voice of those who are involved, can have a bigger impact. So those of us who care and want to do something have a better chance of doing so thanks to less opposition due to many people not being involved. It's worth considering that positive side of things.
ShiBDiB is right: constitutionally, education is supposed to be entirely state-financed. But that's just not the way it actually works in reality. Public schools of primary education are falling behind, and students' cost of higher education is ridiculously high. The latter is a problem worldwide, and the nations that step up and make the best education available to their students are the nations with the most promising future.
As far as the military budget goes, I agree that it's worth having the defensive capabilities we do. But much of our military budget falls under what I would consider "offensive spending." That is what I would like to see cut, and being a realist, I wouldn't even say cut all of that, because it's just not going to happen (though diealistically I would love to see us pull all our troops from Iraq). Like I mentioned earlier, cutting less than one eighth of Iraq spending would free up enough funds to double the federal education budget, which I think is worth it considering the future that better education can make possible.
Yeah, for the last 10 years, the college I'll be attending this fall has increased yearly tuition exponentially by 9% every year.
Higher education costs are so high that by the time you retire, you may be able to pay off the student loans that got you your mediocre entry level business job in the first place.
That's a good part of the reason I decided in 2005 to start my own company rather than finish the $25k/year college I was attending. After four years of increasing tuition, living essentials, and loan interest, I would have paid ~$150k, and would have lost four years of my current income. Therefore my total cost of education would have risen to over $250k.
I could stomach spending one fifth that on an investment that could significantly improve my future and that of those around me, but a quarter million dollars is too much for the education that I would honestly like to have. I miss college very much, and if it were not so cost prohibitive I'd be there right now. Education gives us opportunities to grow. True, I have found many opportunities to grow in the life I've chosen. But education is more valuable than I can possible iterate here.
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