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Intel Will Defend Patent Rights Against AMD

Discussion in 'News' started by malware, Oct 9, 2008.

  1. malware New Member

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    Here's an interesting story I found today. It's short, but I'm sure it won't end just like that and there'll be a lot more to discuss later.
    Source: Reuters
     
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    woo, more patent/ip drama :rolleyes:

    I'm interested in what exactly those patents were for.
     
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    same here.. i want to see what the fuss is about... AMD will lose either way
     
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    Wile E Power User

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    I'm willing to bet most of it hinges on x86 instructions.
     
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    Yeah, I was thinking that cuz I remember reading about how AMD has to pay royalties for that or something.
     
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    Wow... Never knew Intel liked sustaining their monopoly...
     
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    I don't really see the problem as long as there is only one chip design company. Via makes x86 CPUs, and does so under the same license, however it outsources its fab work also - basically I think Intel fear that AMD will become a dual-house chip design company, which is highly unlikely given the economic fortunes of AMD of late.
     
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    Heard of a monopoly? If intel has their way basically we'll be using CPUs which perform the same for the next century or something.
     
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    Yeah me too... prolly x86 since the lawyer said the license and not a license.

    How long does this F*$&% patent last? I thought you could only get protection for 15 - 20 years... and the first x86 came out in 1978. WTF? Its seriously time for uncle sam to step in and open up the market.
     
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    It's about the cross-licensing agreement between Intel and AMD, which includes the x86 license.

    A financial analyst guesses Intel will use this to make AMD drop the antitrust suits:

     
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    yeh i expect something but not from intel , when amd begin make company in abu dubi , money is talking
     
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    the only cpu's that aren't intel monopolized are ibm powerpc/cell processors and sun sparc.

    all via and amd processors have to be licensed from intel to use the x86 instructions thats required by windows/linux/mac, etc.
    if intel wanted, they could not renew the license, and cause either company to have to drop all of their x86 cpus or have huge law suits.
     
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    true story
     
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    I read this here and I agree with it.
     
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    I hate to break it to you, but gaining monopoly status is what every business wants, including AMD. There isn't a company in existance today that doesn't want all its competition eliminated.

    I think you should look up what a monopoly is, Intel isn't a Monopoly.

    Also, Intel can't just up and decide to not renew the x86 licence, it doesn't work like that. AMD has the licence until they violate part of it, making it void, Intel doesn't have the power to stop it. And Intel has got some pretty good things via that licence also, the x64 instruction set being one of them.
     
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    The problem that I see isn't just Intel flexing their muscle, it's the fact that AMD hasn't been able to get away from using these licensing agreements with Intel. Does AMD plan on being tied with Intel forever or do they actually have some real R&D going to change their place in the industry?
     
  18. wolf2009 Guest

    LOL, I love the technical jargon mixed with legal jargon
    I wonder what they censored out of those, sh*t , fsh*t :D:D




    And nowhere he mentions that it shall be the Central Processing Unit


    again he censored his language
     
  19. insider Guest

    Coming up with a non x86 compatible architecture has serious take up problems with both consumers and developers, backwards compatibility...

    The design would have to be so fast it could run old x86/x64 code in software emulation mode and still compete with Intel's offering, in its native mode it would have to be significantly faster to even get developers to consider coding specifically for the new architecture, if they were to get IBM involved then they may stand more of a chance to break away from the x86 architecture.

    AMD should start developing and introducing next generation architecture, before Intel does and makes theirs the industry standard, you can't compete forever with the ageing x86 architecture when your rival takes a cut of every chip you sell.
     
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    Youre right... and you just hit the nail on the head... its the "industry standard" and has been for almost the last 20 years, no developers are going to switch. How is a patent that is the "industry standard" allowed to be renewed? The whole point of patents expiring is to keep this fom happening no?
     
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    Nobody was saying that about AMD -- the poster was stating that consumers don't want Intel to be a monopoly. I'm sure would agree with this.

    Monopoly: exclusive control of a commodity or service in a particular market, or a control that makes possible the manipulation of prices. [source]

    You wouldn't say that Intel has the ability to manipulate the prices of CPU's in the market? :confused:
     
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    I think I have to agree with the one news poster about Intel using this as leverage against AMD in their Antitrust lawsuit. Seems like a smart play by Intel.
     
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    Intel just determined to somehow kill AMD. Nothing AMD has patented (Other than How to Loose a Company after having a succesful product)? Bastards.
     
  24. insider Guest

    AMD's Fusion core is what Intel is probably worried about, we all know GPUs totaly annihilate any CPU in terms of parallel processing, a hybrid is deadly with Intel having nothing coming even remotely close to compete against.
     
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    So if i understand you correctly Intel gives AMD the x86 license and AMD gives Intel the x64 license, right? If thats the case cant AMD just use only their x64 license and not use x86 if Intel takes it away from them? Or am i missing something here?
     

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