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I have been having a discussion with some guys about AMD and Intel. They tell me that AMD is essentially dead and has no idea how to make money. I have tried explaining that AMD does not have as much loose capital to throw into R&D whereas Intel does. AMD has to make smart choices in what products to release.
So, am I wrong and AMD is in the can? Or are they trashing AMD because it is not Intel?
 
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AMD dominating graphics currently doesn't make me think they're dead.

Just some guys trying to act knowledgeable about nothing they know about.
 

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AMD won't be taking home the best CPU performance crown anytime soon, but they are budget beasts and their APUs are solid for budget gaming at medium resolutions. I believe their APU is a solid saving grace for their CPU's, I have been super impressed with the 4500 that came in my Asus K55n laptop. I think they know where their niches are in their respective markets. Top-end CPU's aren't where they can be right now...but don't count them out. I fully expect something epic from them within the next 10-years, imagine 290x and 4770k power on a single die...consuming only 65-90W. That's where I think AMD is heading, and sure by then Intel will have way more CPU power...I think AMD will prove most gamers won't need it so bad when they can attract emptier pocket books to the higher quality PC gaming fringe. This could be a reverse miscalculation on my part...and look at my systems, I'm Intel biased all day long. But that doesn't mean I don't believe in AMD or think they're failing by any means. They're taking a different path and I think it's going to treat them well, especially if the era of Steam Boxes takes off and they get their Linux drivers aced. Just my two cents.
 
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AMD/ATI has always been the underdog. They push with decent products, not always the best for every scenario, and with innovation. Without them we would have two essential monopolies, one in CPU's and one in GPU's and prices would be sky high, like when a CPU cost as much as a modern day build, and 128MB of RAM cost as much as a high end graphics card.


Considering they bring in money off chips for consoles, chip and die sales, royalties on patents (like X64), I doubt they will become insolvent. Worst case scenario they are forced to split up, but there are enough safety nets to prevent that unless horribly mismanaged.
 
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Well I mean AMD supplies some of the hardware for the PS4 and Xbox One so that should really help out the company. And the prices of the enthusiast gpus are pretty damn good too along with their APUs. I'd only say they have lost the plot when it comes to higher end processors and even then there are still some advantages of having all those extra cores over Intel's cpus.
 
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People are always trashing AMD. Whateva! They still make awesome GPU's and their APU's are decent enough to game with, adding a discrete card, just like every Intel system needs.

Intel is better than AMD, at the moment in a number of ways but, AMD dead? Not in the least.

I have 2 older AMD systems that I love, see System Specs, I also have an Ivy laptop that outperforms them both, combined!

I am probably, sometime in the future, going to buy and assemble an Opty server, based solely on price being so much cheaper than a Xeon chip and board. For my uses, it is not a downgrade to use AMD.

Hater's will be just that. If you look closely at what is needed for use and stop epeening, AMD is quite useful and quite a bit more economical.

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I have been having a discussion with some guys about AMD and Intel. They tell me that AMD is essentially dead and has no idea how to make money. I have tried explaining that AMD does not have as much loose capital to throw into R&D whereas Intel does. AMD has to make smart choices in what products to release.
So, am I wrong and AMD is in the can? Or are they trashing AMD because it is not Intel?
AMD is doing okay:
https://encrypted.google.com/#q=amd

AMD supplying APUs to Microsoft and Sony definitely helps.


When AMD acquired ATI, ATI was valued at about 10-20% of AMD's value. AMD cannot survive on GPUs alone.
 
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AMD themselves announced that they were leaving the high end race so if your friends only consider Core i7 processors to be worthy of being CPUs then, yes, AMD is "dead" in the sense that they won't develop their products expecting to match or pass over Intel.

The APU line offers enough performance for the mainstream market and, if HSA takes off, that will only go up. Their small-cores APUs were POS but Kabini has switched that around (I'll be getting two 5350s myself).



Now, something that I would like to see is a new platform based on their server line. They could throw us a bone every now and then. I think that a 10 core Excavator FX CPU on G34 socket (LGA) would be a sweet deal.
 
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The main argument they are using is AMDs Financials. They have referenced the losses AMD has had in 2012 and 2013.
 

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The main argument they are using is AMDs Financials. They have referenced the losses AMD has had in 2012 and 2013.
All I can say to that is lets wait and see what the Q2 report brings (Jul 14, 2014).
 
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If they don't return to green, there may be merit to the idea but 1% loss in Q1 isn't going to really cause alarm.
 
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I have been having a discussion with some guys about AMD and Intel. They tell me that AMD is essentially dead and has no idea how to make money. I have tried explaining that AMD does not have as much loose capital to throw into R&D whereas Intel does. AMD has to make smart choices in what products to release.
So, am I wrong and AMD is in the can? Or are they trashing AMD because it is not Intel?
You talk to Intel Idiots that's what you get, use AMD, then you will know you have made a wise choice!!
 
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AMD are just realising that you don't need the super high end Intel chips to go on Facebook. Which I'd hazard a guess and say around 95% of the worlds population use their computers for.
 
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You talk to Intel Idiots that's what you get, use AMD, then you will know you have made a wise choice!!

And so the downward spiral begins, with a thread title like this, it was only a matter of time before people started calling other people names...

BTW, AMD isn't dead, their APU, GPU and Console business ends are thriving, if you believe what Wall Street says I suggest you invest your hard earned cash in some other stock, otherwise continue to enjoy your AMD powered 290Xs, PS4s, Xbox Ones and Wii U's, I know I do, and from what I read in the news so do millions of other people around the world. :rockout:

This message was brought to you by an "Intel Idiot"™ :shadedshu:
 
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AMD are just realising that you don't need the super high end Intel chips to go on Facebook. Which I'd hazard a guess and say around 95% of the worlds population use their computers for.

Pretty much this. AMD's APU market is flawless, and their GPU sector is doing great (I'm not a fan of the heat output, but sometimes you've got to crack a few eggs right?). Sure, their dedicated CPU market is utter trash, I couldn't understand why anyone would buy an 8350 over a 4670 when they cost approximately the same (at least they do in the UK), especially for gaming. I think their dedicated CPU division is all but dead in the water until they go back to some solid single core design like Thuban. Their APU market is thriving, as is their GPU market.

Maybe your friends were focusing on the FX line, as opposed to the rest, where AMD is more than likely making a profit now. I can understand them claiming the FX is dead (it is, it hasn't done anything besides OC to 5Ghz in many years), but besides that AMD are doing better than I can remember for a long time.
 
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The main argument they are using is AMDs Financials. They have referenced the losses AMD has had in 2012 and 2013.

There were a lot of unfortunate scenarios (management/staff 'issues'...not to mention ATi gents having a little too much sway post Ruiz) and missteps (The whole essence of bulldozer) that mixed with some things questionably beyond their immediate control (GF having a lot of problems and their associated contracts) that have held back a company that really does have all the pieces.

Rory (the CEO) is seemingly turning things around and attacking the right segments as they can, but sweeping changes don't happen overnight in microchips, nor will their seemingly bright future immediately be apparent to everyone (outside the folks like us that watch this stuff closely). A lot of it depends on things like process tech/memory (bandwidth) technology hurdles just not possible/feasible for them at this moment.

The turn started with the hiring of a bunch of ARM engineers (fairly immediately after RR took the reigns), as well as (and including) Jim Keller (whom is a one man game-changer). From there we have the ditching of Bulldozer for two archs that handle it's shared purpose in a more targeted manner, the cleanup at GF (that seems to have a straight path to 14nm products in 2016 thanks to Samsung), and the inherit benefits of doing so. A big part of their APU business will only come into it's own not if/when gpu compute starts to play a bigger role in applications, but also when we start hitting thresholds where their markets are satiated by their performance (and scaling.) I'm not going to say '4770/290x' for a desktop, but surely more competative ipc and mixed with something in the realm of 260x-like architecture will be upon us soon, and then perhaps a new arch with Tonga-like gpu by 14nm. Like-wise, when we start seeing something that is similar to the xbox360 (in performance) and then Kaveri's gpu in mobile, it will also be a big deal.

It also cannot be downplayed AMD set the yardstick for a gpu not only with the xbox360, but now with x1/ps4. To think they don't have a plan to make products (not only gpus, but tdp-targeted apus) that will not only be similar, but then exponentially scale with them is just asinine. That holds a lot of weight as we move through the next 6 years.

TLDR: Yes, their recent past rough. No, their immediate future isn't going to wow enthusiasts. That said, their targeted approach is working, and will likely continue to work as they not only enter more markets, but build their ecosystem through newer and better products, slowly climbing the 'good-enough' ladder for more and more people and products. Not only is the potential there for greatness in the next couple to few years, it's more-so on their doorstep than either Intel or nvidia, whom each lack a key component, and have their own design choice/process problems. AMD's time to shine is rolling around again, and all indications increasingly point that they will be ready to take the stage.
 

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The main argument they are using is AMDs Financials. They have referenced the losses AMD has had in 2012 and 2013.
Tell your friends that Intel had a declining market in 2013 and first quarter 2014 (although they expect reasonable growth throughout the rest of the year) ......

http://www.forbes.com/sites/greatsp...preview-focus-on-new-markets-to-drive-growth/

In contrast, AMD are back in profit after a couple of very rocky years, in fact they are seeing considerable growth last quarter 2013 and first quarter 2014, far more growth in relative terms compared to Intel......

http://www.forbes.com/sites/greatsp...kets-helps-amd-close-2013-on-a-positive-note/

When I say "relative" you have to obviously take into account net profitability which sees Intel well ahead but things are looking brighter for AMD, certanly for this year.
 
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its a hard discussion, but so far not
AMD still has power on VGA cards
and yes, they need offer more than their competitors at least maybe offering better performance per power ratio
 
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AMD dead? financially? I don't think so. And I hope they will never reach that point. The thought of that sends shivers through my spine.
 
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On the CPU side, yes, AMD hasn't fielded anything competitive on the high-end. But there's more to a market than the high-end. I think enthusiasts, who have a predisposition for the high-end stuff, tend to lose sight of that. Most people don't need anything that fancy.

I remember reading that AMD is waiting for DDR4 before releasing a new CPU socket. If I were them, I'd push that new socket out after Haswell-E but before Skylake so the market would have a mainstream DDR4-using CPU line before Intel fields theirs. Haswell-E is 2H 2014 while Skylake is likely to be early 2016 given Intel's release schedule. That's a pretty large gap for AMD to swoop in (not to mention forcing Intel's hand).
 

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Maybe your friends were focusing on the FX line, as opposed to the rest, where AMD is more than likely making a profit now. I can understand them claiming the FX is dead (it is, it hasn't done anything besides OC to 5Ghz in many years), but besides that AMD are doing better than I can remember for a long time.

Aye this. They're probably gamers, and they are an ignorant bunch.
 
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I don't find any of their processors appealing for what I do but they aren't dead. Radeon still is a great brand with quality products. A decade ago was a time when Intel and ATI was one side, Nvidia and AMD was the other and AMD was considering buying Nvidia.
 
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