Is it time for Windows 10 already?

Mussels · Jul 30, 2015

ChevyOwner said:
You seem to think I care. Most games are still DX9. I wont buy anything from EA Games. Windows 10 lowers performance on my PC by at least half anyway. It maybe worth reconsidering Windows 10 is 3-4+ years when we have a few DX12 games, and it just might be mandatory in about 12 years if XP is anything to go by.

PS
I would rather use the old Pentium 2 here with Linux then this thing called Windows 10.

even DX9 games are running better for me in win10 thanks to the new WDDM 2.0 driver model. starcraft II and rimworld both give me better minimum FPS, seems like some CPU overheads have been removed.

ChevyOwner · Jul 30, 2015

What are people going to do when your hardware is not supported because Mincrosoft does not want it to be?

Mussels said:
even DX9 games are running better for me in win10 thanks to the new WDDM 2.0 driver model. starcraft II and rimworld both give me better minimum FPS, seems like some CPU overheads have been removed.

Good you for, as I keep saying they run far worse for me. Just because things run worse for me does not mean they will for you, but just becasue they run better for you does not mean the will for me.

I did not connect it at first, but here is another reason for me to avoid Windows 10. My Hardware is not supported because Microsoft has no chip set drivers for it, and with Windows 10 you have to get drivers from Windows update but Windows update does not have any drivers.

Mussels · Jul 30, 2015

ChevyOwner said:
What are people going to do when your hardware is not supported because Mincrosoft does not want it to be?

Good you for, as I keep saying they run far worse for me. Just because things run worse for me does not mean they will for you, but just becasue they run better for you does not mean the will for me.

I did not connect it at first, but here is another reason for me to avoid Windows 10. My Hardware is not supported because Microsoft has no chip set drivers for it, and with Windows 10 you have to get drivers from Windows update but Windows update does not have any drivers.

your specs say SLI, multi GPU is not working well in win 10 on current drivers for AMD or nvidia

silkstone · Jul 30, 2015

I'm getting between 8-20% boost on my multi-gpu setup in Win 10. Only tested 3DMark and Heaven so far, but i think they are fairly representative of most games.

broken pixel · Jul 30, 2015

I played BF4 last night with the 15.7.1 drivers, smooth game play& crossfire is working.

Synthetic benchmarks vs actually testing a game is incomparable.

Delta6326 · Jul 30, 2015

Here's a good step by step guide on doing a fresh install.

http://m.hexus.net/tech/features/software/85085-how-clean-install-windows-10-usb-drive/

ChevyOwner · Jul 30, 2015

Mussels said:
your specs say SLI, multi GPU is not working well in win 10 on current drivers for AMD or nvidia

Fine call me a liar for posting what MY computer does. I can see it is not worth sharing information here anymore.

Mussels · Jul 30, 2015

ChevyOwner said:
Fine call me a liar for posting what MY computer does. I can see it is not worth sharing information here anymore.

Not what i meant at all.

AphexDreamer · Jul 30, 2015

I've been reading that in order to have win 10 activated for free via an upgrade, you have to actually upgrade and not do a clean install. Anyone know if its possible to do a clean install? Maybe like after having done an upgrade, copy key and then clean install?

Ahhzz · Jul 30, 2015

"You have reached your device limit for installing apps and games..."

Mussels · Jul 30, 2015

AphexDreamer said:
I've been reading that in order to have win 10 activated for free via an upgrade, you have to actually upgrade and not do a clean install. Anyone know if its possible to do a clean install? Maybe like after having done an upgrade, copy key and then clean install?

no one knows yet. there are theories that you can clean install (if you recover the key you get a shared generic key the same as all people who upgraded) and login to your microsoft account to restore it, but no ones sure yet.

silkstone · Jul 31, 2015

Mussels said:
no one knows yet. there are theories that you can clean install (if you recover the key you get a shared generic key the same as all people who upgraded) and login to your microsoft account to restore it, but no ones sure yet.

I'm not sure if it's a shared generic key. SLMGR tells me the win 10 key from the upgrade is retail, like my previous key. I really hope it doesn't lock the OS to the hardware.

Schmuckley · Jul 31, 2015

I haven't been hearing favorable things.

Mussels · Jul 31, 2015

silkstone said:
I'm not sure if it's a shared generic key. SLMGR tells me the win 10 key from the upgrade is retail, like my previous key. I really hope it doesn't lock the OS to the hardware.

at the time i checked, no one was sure. people stated that their keys showed as retail, but they were the same keys as each other (again, at the time - things may change now its retail)

slmgr/dlvt shows me the following:

a lot of others said they had the 3V66T key

R-T-B · Jul 31, 2015

silkstone said:
I'm not sure if it's a shared generic key. SLMGR tells me the win 10 key from the upgrade is retail, like my previous key. I really hope it doesn't lock the OS to the hardware.

It does.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10/..._10240_did_you_get_assigned_a_licenseproduct/

Mussels · Jul 31, 2015

R-T-B said:
It does.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10/..._10240_did_you_get_assigned_a_licenseproduct/

thats the thread i found and was talking about.

silkstone · Jul 31, 2015

Yeah, it seems everyone is getting generic keys. That sucks as I was planning an upgrade this year.

Mussels · Jul 31, 2015

silkstone said:
Yeah, it seems everyone is getting generic keys. That sucks as I was planning an upgrade this year.

you have a year to use the free upgrade. i've not seen anything yet about the keys being deactivated, there is a chance you can reinstall your old OS on the new hardware and updgrade again within the 12 months.

R-T-B · Jul 31, 2015

Mussels said:
you have a year to use the free upgrade. i've not seen anything yet about the keys being deactivated, there is a chance you can reinstall your old OS on the new hardware and updgrade again within the 12 months.

You can... at least for now. Just reinstalled from an ASUS X99-A to a ASUS Sabertooth X99 (because I'm a sucker for new things). No issues. It let me do the whole process again from the same Windows 8 activation (which was not disabled by the way).

RejZoR · Jul 31, 2015

The official build from Microsoft work significantly better. Probably because of better drivers. Even Sound Blaster Z seems to work absolutely perfectly with "old" Win8.1 drivers.

Only thing that totally crapped itself after the upgrade was Sandisk ExpressCache software that I have for my Sandisk ReadyCache drive. It has gone so bad in the Windows updating proces I now can't remove (because some files are missing for stupid InstallShield) it or re-install it (because it stilld etects itself but fails to uninstall because of the missing files). Now I'm forced to use eBooster which work but doesn't affect system boot all that much, just apps when already in Windows...

Easo · Jul 31, 2015

I have a feeling that Witcher 3 is a biiiiit smoother.
There are some bugs in the OS, though (I seem to be able to hang up Windows update page, so that it showing white space instead of buttons which should be there), but there should be big bugfix patch this week.

R-T-B · Jul 31, 2015

ChevyOwner said:
What are people going to do when your hardware is not supported because Mincrosoft does not want it to be?

Load unsigned drivers?

qubit · Aug 5, 2015

Restore your privacy on Windows 10:

https://fix10.isleaked.com

Caring1 · Aug 5, 2015

Have an Xbone at home?
W10 core will be installed this year, November being touted as most likely.
http://www.zdnet.com/article/micros...=nl.e551&s_cid=e551&ttag=e551&ftag=TRE7ed2633

RejZoR · Aug 8, 2015

Creative has released Windows 10 Sound Blaster Z drivers for Windows 10!

LINK

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Is it time for Windows 10 already?

Mussels

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