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Is this a wise upgrade choice (Graphics & PSU)? Suggestions?

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  1. Black Panther

    Black Panther Senior Moderator™ Staff Member

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    Antec TruePower New Blue Modular 750W Power Supply

    and...

    Powercolor ATI Radeon HD 5870 "Dirt 2 Edition" 1024MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card

    Total cost would be €476.

    They'd be for my desktop rig (see system specs), with the E8400 @ 4Ghz and 6GB RAM.

    I plan to buy them around mid-November since for now I'm only using the laptop.

    I have 4 questions...

    1) Should I wait more (perhaps for GTX300?)

    2) Is the PSU an adequate one or perhaps you suggest something else?

    3) Is this upgrade worth or would my processor aor pci-e x16 1.0 slot be bottlenecking?

    4) Would I see a significant improvement in image quality & performance in games compared to my 8800GT?


    Thanks! :toast:
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    Lazzer408

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    I call CPU bottleneck. You won't be able to feed that 5k with an 8400 but the o/c will definitly help you out.
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    Mussels Moderprator Staff Member

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    ofc she'll have a bottleneck. anything not a 4Ghz i7 will bottlneck these things - but that doesnt mean it wont be craploads faster than what she has already (and what i have, and what you have, lazzer)

    PCI-E 8x hardly affects it, check recent articles here on TPU - w1zz did a good one on 5k cards.

    i'd suggest a corsair TX750 tbh, its certified for 5870 crossfire ;)
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    Black Panther Senior Moderator™ Staff Member

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    You're serious about this?
    Do you think I'd get the same performance whether I stick a 5850 or a 5870?
    If yes, I'd choose the cheaper option.
    Gigabyte ATI Radeon HD 5850 1024MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card

    Heck it'd be even better and cheaper if my current PSU can comfortably run a 5850..... can it guys?

    By the way, my pci-e isn't x8 but x16 --- though it's the old version 1.0 not 2.0...
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    Mussels Moderprator Staff Member

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    well, i know i'm CPU bottlenecked until i hit about 4.2GHz.

    that said, its only my max FPS thats limited - my minimum sure goes up when i add my second card in crossfire ;)
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    Black Panther Senior Moderator™ Staff Member

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    Well... my rig does run stable at 4.2Ghz... but I keep it at 4Ghz.

    Basically what I'm looking for is to squeeze the maximum graphics power out of it-

    If I can stick a weaker GPU (5850 or 280 or 260?) and still get the same performance as I would get with a 5870... I'd surely go for the cheaper option!
    Especially if a weaker graphics card won't necessitate that I also upgrade my PSU...
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    Mussels Moderprator Staff Member

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    your current PSU would be too little for even a single 260 or 4870, let alone higher.

    I'd say a 5850 would do you nicely, paired with a corsair PSU

    http://ati.amd.com/products/certified/powersupplies.html


    in my opinion, everything on this below list should do a single 5850

    [​IMG]


    the older models merely wouldnt be updated for 5 series cards, since ATI wouldnt have any on hand to test with
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    ooo I should update my sys specs. A few things have changed.

    imo I'd get the 5850 and save a few bucks. When you get the cash, grab another 5850 for xfire and you'll be gtg for awhile.

    He has a 750. Thats plenty. I ran 6 hdds, a 3870x2 and 2 3870s plus a Q6600@3.4 for awhile.
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    Mussels Moderprator Staff Member

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    black panther (a she) has "550W LC something forgot the name 12V rail 16A & 18A"

    also, while her motherboard is a P965 chipset (crossfire supported) her board only has one slot, so no crossfire for her :(
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    Oh sorry. :D

    5850 is fast and would work well with the rest of the system. I read a review somewhere they have those 5850 o/c'ing and benching as fast as a stock 5870s anyways. Can't be that much slower that a simple o/c would bring it up to the next models performance unless the test system couldn't feed the 5870.

    Oh btw. That Hyper-x she's running, it performs better at 1066 5-5-5-15 then it did at 800 4-4-4-12 in my box.
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    Black Panther Senior Moderator™ Staff Member

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    That's my laptop memory (I got both laptop & desktop in system specs... separated by the "//") ;)
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    Antec Truepower would be more than adequate. Don't worry about cpu bottleneck, just raise the resolution you game at.
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    Black Panther Senior Moderator™ Staff Member

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    Can't raise it more than 1680x1050 for now... but guess I can also raise the antialiasing for a good picture and have still smooth gameplay.
    My 8800GT gets killed if I use more than 2xAA in Fallout3... I also can't use high-resolution texture mods..

    Hopefully a 5870 will solve that...

    (Oh and I like the antec psu because of the blue led :eek:)
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    Is it safe to assume that my 8800GT 512MB is the same as a 9600GT 512MB?

    That way I can compare the benchmarks....
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    I believe 9600GT has 96SP, while 8800GT has 112SP, It's mean no, it's not.
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    I'd say their close enough to compair. Either way they both get whomped.

    8800gt System
    3DMark06: 14541
    XFX 8800gt
    Stock: 640/1600/900
    Max Stable OC: 730/1825/1050
    Accelero S1 Rev.2 w/ 120mm fan
    Temp>> Idle:38c Load: 47c


    9600gt System
    3DMark06: 13312
    XFX 9600gt
    Stock: 650/1600/900
    Max Stable OC: 821/2105/1050
    Thermalright HR-03 GT w/ 92mm Fan
    Temp>> Idle:33c Load: 46c
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    Mussels Moderprator Staff Member

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    the 9600GT is inferior to an 8800GT.

    8800GT and 9800GT are the same, so look for comparisons there.
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    9800GT has higher clocks and 55nm gpu compared to 65nm 8800GT. Same clocks with them = same performance.

    9600GT is a bit better than HD3870 so the difference between 8800GT and 9600GT is about 10-15%.
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    Close enough to compair. The difference between the 8800gt and 9600gt isn't half a chart apart. I think she's just looking for her baseline on those charts to compair the 58xx performance against. The 9600 is closest to her's in performance to see -about- where she stands.
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    no, they dont.

    8800GT and 9800GT are identical - only SOME 9800GT's have the 55nm GPU, most of the cards are 100% identical (reference clocks dont mean much with these, you could buy 8800GT's with higher clocks than the 9808GT's came with stock) - and i mean 100%. i've swapped BIOS'es between enough to know.
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    I say get the Antec TruePower or a Corsair TX750W along with a 5850. Then in a few years or so when the bottleneck starts to get annoying or you want crossfire, upgrade the CPU and mobo. Just my 2 cents.
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    I agree with Soylent Joe, go with a Corsair Tx750 and a 5850 and save some cash for a processor and motherboard upgrade later on. Or if you have the cash go for a Corsair HX850, with that you can power two 5870 and a Quadcore later on.
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    Black Panther Senior Moderator™ Staff Member

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    With that in mind I guess it'd be better to go for the 5870. I'm pretty sure I'll last at least a year on it... considering I've had the 8800GT since... November 2007! :eek:

    Then in 2010 or 2011 I'll buy a CF mobo for sure... with some core i9... ddr5 ram.... lol or whatever'd be available... :D

    I'm pretty excited to get a 58xx card because it'd be my first ATI card ever... :) And unless I'm mistaken it gives like twice the performance of my current 8800GT.
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    Oh also you were asking what a good comparison to the GT would be? Think about 10% lower than a 9800GTX.

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