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IS Win 7 about to loose support in 6 months?

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  1. sebastian869

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    "Windows 7 people will be losing 'official' support from Microsoft in just over six months"

    this is a quote from someone who was answering a question about which is better win 7 pro or 8.1 and can u get the same desktop gui and feel with 8.1 like you can in vista what i have now and 7 which similar desktops. basically dont want tablets just "normal desktop"
     
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    Till they stop screwing with the gui and leave Aero alone and just work with underhood tweaks/ performance no one will move to 8.1 so honestly Win 9 better put the desktop back in desktop! Ps W7 is fine itll last longer than xp did at this rate
     
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    Right now i have vista 64 do you know when next WIN OS is coming out? should i wait or buy OEM of 7 pro. I just want to maximize my comp after this new build
     
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    7 is the new xp
     
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    Nobody cares. I never updated any version of windows.
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    nice desktop, personally i may run 7 and xp sp3
    i ever used 8.1 and i decide to wait 9

    back to the title, MS may end support for 7 but if we take a look at xp case, after years many xp user still run their xp and not so interested installing 8
     
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    With 2 core processor yeah, you can run XP without problems. I know a lot of people who still uses XP on Pentium 4/Athlon XP/Athlon 64 in main rig...
     
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    7 fixed everything wrong with Vista. Honestly Get 7 Pro. That is what ill be running. The next major os is 9 and supposedly it is desktop focused.
     
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    Vista's patches and the hardware manufacturers getting their shit together fixed everything wrong with Vista.
     
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    Considerin i tested vista and even the mil used it- Those machines were sluggish. When they moved to 7 they were smooth as glass
     
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    yep, vista compared to 7 is far.:D
    i think 7 will rock for long time, like xp. except win 9 offer something better and trashing stupid interface:rockout:
     
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    NO:
    - it is "End of mainstream support" +"
    The confusion here stems from Microsoft's maddeningly obtuse naming conventions. Leaving mainstream support only means that Windows 7 won't be receiving any new features or product tweaks, such as the forthcoming DirectX 12. Once a Windows desktop operating system leaves mainstream support, it enters the extended support phase—the very same support phase that Windows XP found itself in from early 2009 until its death earlier this year.

    You'll still receive those oh-so-critical security patches during extended support, meaning that while Windows 7 won't be in active development beyond next January, it won't be tossed to the wolves of the Web, either. Hotfixes will still be provided, too, assuming they're security related. (Business can sign up for an extended hotfix support plan if your company wants hotfix support for non-security issues.) Extended support for Windows 7 lasts until January 14, 2020, and you can read Microsoft's Support Lifecycle for Windowsif you're still curious about how this works.

    So, like I said: Don't panic. Windows 7 isn't being left for dead for a long, long time."
     
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    yesh ... i agree, me too i know a lot of peoples including myself :D
    ok even a dual single core MP board but under 7 Pro ... XP is for my Athlon XP and Core 2 Duo E6700 rigs ... and the Athlon XP rig isn't much slower than the C2D for web and video :D

    no intention of buying a 8/8.1 license until M$ get the right thing to do, done (aka: stop thinking all user are fond of multicolored tiles and have a touchscreen panel) i have enough XP home/Pro and 7 Pro keys in my house to wait

    not mentioning DX12? bah let's just hope Mantle get a wide game support and no one will care about DX12 being not given for 7 :D, since DX12 is a copypasta of Mantle features... (light joke, totally not serious, no worries)
     
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    whats funny is MS realized rather quickly they put out a stinking turd with millenium and they came out with a replacment quickly i wonder if something like 9 comes out months from now or yr or 2
     
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    than how will get direct x 12? Im guessing by sepending more money like gpu or win? im still on 9 thats largly why i need a new comp sucks to know im missing out a lot compared to what the makers made.
     
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    You mean you're still on Windows 7? I don't think we yet know for sure what DX12 will bring to the table. It will utilize hardware better they say ... but to what extent is still an unknown. Wikipedia says it's targeted at the 2015 holidays.

    If you're getting a new computer purely for gaming, go with Windows 8.
     
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    no im on vista, thats why im interested about 8.1 (I heard .1 improved 8 a lot) what i like to learn is 8.1 worth buying because when 8 came out all i heard was negative reviews and when .1 came out most of the negativity stopped. Im just interested can you get 8.1 looking and acting like vista 64 ultimate OEM is what i have or 7 which i tried out for a while. More over i heard a billion times before the release of 8 that its targeted at the tablet market which made no sense to me.
     
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    Windows 8 didn't target the tablet market per se.

    Windows, under Steve Balmer, moved toward a unified UI. They wanted to be more like Apple, and have a unified look and feel to their various devices. In services of this, they made their UI more friendly to a touch screen interface. It was a good idea, but the execution meant that non touch devices had a significantly less intuitive interface.


    Now beneath the UI, windows 8 isn't bad. It runs better than 7 on almost everything that 7 runs on. 8.1 was a rather substantial back-pedal on the forced UI, but by this point there were too many people that railed against the UI for it to be a success. In traditional fashion, MS said we'd accept the new UI, or not get new features (DX11.2 being the chief one).




    After Balmer was deposed, the attitude seems to have changed. Preliminary reports indicate that 9 will, at the very least, have the option for a more traditional UI. It seems like MS is repeating their usual pattern of crap UIs.

    I'm looking forward to 9. If it can improve upon everything behind the screen like windows 8, and have the reasonable UI of 7, it's all good in my book. Until then windows 7 will last me. Another 5 years of support isn't anything to scoff at.
     
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    I'm not looking forward to Windows 9 and it's chance of going Office 365 subscription-based style. No thanks... I have had an excellent experience with Vista Pro x64 SP2, 7 Pro x64 Sp1, and Windows 8, 8.1 x64 Pro...all are great, in my experience 8.1 is the best performance-wise, and a simple start menu app and it's like 7 without all of 7's Aero stuff...which I missed for a week or two and got over.

    To each their own, go with what you prefer...7 Pro is great, 8.1 Pro is great.
     
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    seen a few leaked screens of 9 and it has a start bar and desktop
    also its supposed to detect if you have touch screen or not. and if not it wont mess you around with stupid features..
    (but things often change a lot between early leaks and even alpha and beta releases compared to the actuall end product)

    I dont like the thoughts of one OS/GUI for all. its a stupid idea. And i hope that opengl or atleast an equivalent can come along and be the main api for every one.. with how the world is now its time for direct x to go away.
    miniscule updates rolled out with bearly enough changed so you have to get a new os to use it is what direct x has become.
    opengl is just a huge mess apparantly so nvidia intel ati (and the other companys like creative and so on) should really just get to work on fixing opengl. The only people to suffer from opengl being made better and easier to work with would be MS. Every one els "hardware mfrs, software devs, game devs" would all benifit. and steam/valve wold benifit greatly..
    to be honest i find it kind of supprizing ms have been able to hold the directx monopoly for so long. they lost out on the MS java monopoly. so how come they get to keep this one.
     
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    What?

    OpenGl is made by a company named Khronos, those are the people you should be complaining to if you have a problem with openGL

    Also, there's never been an MS java monopoly, Java was made by sun, and designed so that it could be cross platform and works on multiple platforms, The only platform Java code has a significant monopoly is most of what runs on an googles android operating system and the developers there are free to use c if they really wish to avoid java

    And Microsoft haven't locked any major features out of old operating systems in over 7 years now, the latest games still run perfectly fine on windows vista

    Yes it would be nice if more games were platform independent, but fundamentally developers are free to use whatever api's they want to, and for your average dev releasing games on steam, they may not see it as worth the effort to retrain all of their staff to gain access to more market share, sure it's doable for your small indie dev, ea and ubisoft and any reasonable sized dev, will not find 1.2% larger marketshare worth even the money spent retraining their support desk to be able to assist users in finding out what settings of their are wrong, in the large number of different desktop environments linux users are split between.

    And furthermore leaving directx is not going to make developers release games for linux, large games companies are going to have to spend a very large amount of money to support a game on whatever platform they sell it on, and when they can just pick 4 operating systems, and get 95% of the market share, and three of those share the same underlying base and have large similarities in ui. That is the profitable route for them, if you want games on a platform that isn't windows, you are going to have to support that platform, not just cry monopoly, and hope developers will go against almost 20 years of tradition

    Is a competing api a good thing?
    Yes it is!
    However openGL support in it's self will still never fix anything, you are going to need marketshare for that, and so long as you post to this forum with your windows 7 operating system, and use steam with your windows operating system, and buy computer preinstalled with windows operating system. It will not happen
     
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    Windows 7 gets officially dumped on my 21st birthday. I'll drink one for it. :p
     
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    Frick Fishfaced Nincompoop

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    Everyone's doing it. It makes sense as so far it should provide a similar and familiar experience on many platforms which would be neat, but I'm nut sure the approach is the best.
     
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    opengl is open khronos govern it. but companys can change and improve it
    vista had directx 11 artificially delayed to make many users as possible move over to 7. (although it was possible to install it if you really really tried, so it wasnt that it wasnt possible.)
    direct x 11.1/11.2 is already 8.1 only (that is a 3 year life span of windows 7 being able to use the latest api not 7 years) "although i agree the functionality isnt an issue right now. Which is also part of my point (usless updates that need you to upgrade your os to use)"
    there was however 5 years between direct x9 and dx 10 but that did force you to use a new os.

    opengl would give access to EVERY platform. and with steam becoming a major player and trying to roll out "steam box" it would be beneficial to drop the dx api.
    hardware mfrs would benifit by being able to sell more pre built systems running on open source opperating systems because the cost of a 1st time purchace would be substantially lower. and no need to pay MS for driver signing. (if all the games/apps could run on os other than ms, ms wouldnt really be able to force payment for driver signing if they wanted the hardware on their os so it wasnt useless)
    porting games would be easier as the same back bone of relitive hardware and api would be on consoles and pc's

    they all seem to want to make one os for all (apple started it) but ms are trying to do it to (which i hate) and if we has one unified open source api that worked it would all be able to intergrate much easier.

    like i said khronos dont make opengl. they govern it so the major players could all send a small group of devs/programers each to sit in a big old room for a couple of years. and they could clean up the code make sure that what they need for their hardware to work most efficiently is in there. leave the bear bones essentials for legacy support. (or just rename it and drop legacy) submit that to khronos and there you go. a better working opengl.
    from what i have read every one would prefer that "apart from ms" but developers dont do it now because open gl is such a mess. and a nightmare to work with because over the years so much crap has been added..

    as for java. ms's implimentation of java made it the fastest version. but sun sued them for their improper usage of it. it was kind of a monopoly as every one used ms java instead of sun java. there was a court case and now every one uses sun java because ms was no longer allowed to distibute their version with windows.

    Direct x is however a monopoly..
    but thats one that has been brought about by poor managment of opengl so i guess we cant really blame ms. but i can blame ms for stupid small useless updates that mean you have to upgrade your os to get them. and also delaying releases for older os's even though they could have been implimented the same day.

    and your point about buying a ms os is kind of mute and proves the monopoly.. IF i want to play games i HAVE to buy ms because i Have to use direct-x.. IF open gl was the standard, then i wouldnt have to buy windows because i wouldnt have to have direct x.. which again just reinforces what i was saying to start it.. so the market share thing is dependant on the standard api..
    this does not mean to say if direct x became obsoleet no one would use windows many people find it easy to use) but if we go back to using dos like we used to and early windows releases. we all managed just fine with those and then they progresses. Nothing says that open source opperating systems couldnt progress to an easier for the lay man opereting system.
    The only reason many if not most enthusiasts run windows is because direct-x became the standard api for devs. and the only reason the majority of gamers upgrade windows is because they can no longer use the latest direct-x. that api is essentialy MS's trump card. and they can and do use it to leverage sales of operating systems.

    also i never buy pre built computers.. but thats irrelevant to the point being made.
    although i guess form the actual thread title this point is slightly off topic. but as the support ends for things like directx (although we can clearly see that ended with 11.1) it is kind of relevant.
     
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