Is windsows 7 a security risk?

trickson · Jun 9, 2013

What the hell is wrong with Microsoft? I just sat here for 2 fing hours DL 17 .Net framework security updates, WTF?? Is windows 7 that fing unsecured?
I am wondering what they screwed up this bad to have this many security updates. Just how unsecure is this os? should I be worried? Every update from windows is security related! :banghead:

silkstone · Jun 9, 2013

The only way to secure any software is to isolate it. There's very little difference in security between all of the OS's.

natr0n · Jun 9, 2013

I never use windows update. I always use the OS as it was released. I have never encountered any issues ever doing this.

trickson · Jun 9, 2013

silkstone said:
The only way to secure any software is to isolate it. There's very little difference in security between all of the OS's.

Yeah that aint going to happen. But this is really getting ridiculous Seems like every week there are more security holes exposed and MORE updates that need to restart you computer every time and then you have to rerun the updater and it is just getting stupid. It is like the people at Microsoft just keep rushing shit out and the faster they rush it the more HOLES the thing has in it.
Don't get me wrong it is great they are plugging the holes and all. But it would seem to me any way that the Net Framework 4.0 is one big fing security breach!

de.das.dude · Jun 9, 2013

newer threats keep coming up all the time. so you need to have updates.
if you use an antivirus, good one, doing those updates isnt necessary. i dont do updates anymore.

TheMailMan78 · Jun 9, 2013

SO MUCH misinformation in this thread it boggles the mind.

Jetster · Jun 9, 2013

natr0n said:
I never use windows update. I always use the OS as it was released. I have never encountered any issues ever doing this.

face palm

You can download the latest W7 with sp1 now. I know its not all but most of the updates included.

natr0n · Jun 9, 2013

Jetster said:
face palm

You can download the latest W7 with sp1 now. I know its not all but most of the updates included.

Well aware and already do this.

Aquinus · Jun 9, 2013

Microsoft likes patching leaks before they sink the boat. Just because there is a security update doesn't mean it has been exploited already. MS may have found it on their own and are fixing it just to make their software more secure. This also isn't just MS, I get security updates on Ubuntu servers all the time and quite a few of them, really.

End all: Just install them, it won't hurt.

newtekie1 · Jun 9, 2013

trickson said:
What the hell is wrong with Microsoft? I just sat here for 2 fing hours DL 17 .Net framework security updates, WTF?? Is windows 7 that fing unsecured?
I am wondering what they screwed up this bad to have this many security updates. Just how unsecure is this os? should I be worried? Every update from windows is security related!

It is because of those updates that it is secure. And .Net is not Windows, so your question should be is .Net secure.

And just to give you some stats, since Windows 7 has been released they have found 291 vulnerabilities in it, which is pretty damn good for such a complete piece of software. Compare that to 1,913 found in OSX and 1,042 in Ubuntu 12.04...

natr0n said:
I never use windows update. I always use the OS as it was released. I have never encountered any issues ever doing this.

I once read an article about someone that took a stock Windows XP computer, with no updates installed, and connected it to the internet. They didn't do anything else, just plugged it into the internet and left it alone. Within 5 minutes it had been compromised and added to a bot-net.

There is no reason not to install updates. If you do it once a month it takes about 5 minutes on a modern system. A lot of the time you don't even have to reboot.

MyTechAddiction · Jun 9, 2013

There is no such thing as a perfect software.
However if security on the web is what you desire you should run the web browser in a virtual machine of w8.

NdMk2o1o · Jun 9, 2013

newtekie1 said:
It is because of those updates that it is secure. And .Net is not Windows, so your question should be is .Net secure.

And just to give you some stats, since Windows 7 has been released they have found 291 vulnerabilities in it, which is pretty damn good for such a complete piece of software. Compare that to 1,913 found in OSX and 1,042 in Ubuntu 12.04...

I once read an article about someone that took a stock Windows XP computer, with no updates installed, and connected it to the internet. They didn't do anything else, just plugged it into the internet and left it alone. Within 5 minutes it had been compromised and added to a bot-net.

There is no reason not to install updates. If you do it once a month it takes about 5 minutes on a modern system. A lot of the time you don't even have to reboot.

Very true, who remembers the RPC exploit that would cause your PC to shutdown as soon as it was connected to the internet from a fresh install of Windows XP? ahhh fun times lol

Aquinus · Jun 9, 2013

MyTechAddiction said:
There is no such thing as a perfect software.

Code:

(ns hello.core)
(defn -main
    (println "Hello world"))

Sorry, I had to.

You're right to a point but you can do a lot to make a particular piece of software to be so very secure. Security issues are only addressed because there are people who like to do malicious things. If people weren't malicious there would be no point in having added security, but I digress.

The real point is that software that interacts with a network is more likely to have security holes. One that doesn't touch a network tends to not have that problem. Also, there aren't many security vulnerabilities to a "Hello world" application, which is why I put it. It's a simple example but most applications that work only locally don't tend to have these issues nearly as often.

natr0n · Jun 9, 2013

newtekie1 said:
It is because of those updates that it is secure. And .Net is not Windows, so your question should be is .Net secure.

And just to give you some stats, since Windows 7 has been released they have found 291 vulnerabilities in it, which is pretty damn good for such a complete piece of software. Compare that to 1,913 found in OSX and 1,042 in Ubuntu 12.04...

I once read an article about someone that took a stock Windows XP computer, with no updates installed, and connected it to the internet. They didn't do anything else, just plugged it into the internet and left it alone. Within 5 minutes it had been compromised and added to a bot-net.

There is no reason not to install updates. If you do it once a month it takes about 5 minutes on a modern system. A lot of the time you don't even have to reboot.

Pretty interesting. I turn off remote assistance and disable a bunch of services after fresh install.

Aquinus · Jun 9, 2013

natr0n said:
Pretty interesting. I turn off remote assistance and disable a bunch of services after fresh install.

A firewall and sitting behind a NAT really is the best option IMHO but it's never bad to keep up with security updates.

TheoneandonlyMrK · Jun 9, 2013

NdMk2o1o said:
Very true, who remembers the RPC exploit that would cause your PC to shutdown as soon as it was connected to the internet from a fresh install of Windows XP? ahhh fun times lol

Nice to hear I wasn't the only one who got ass kicked by that virus way back .
I love updates occasionally they do some good.

trickson · Jun 9, 2013

NdMk2o1o said:
Very true, who remembers the RPC exploit that would cause your PC to shutdown as soon as it was connected to the internet from a fresh install of Windows XP? ahhh fun times lol

Yeah I remember that one very well!
I always keep my computer's (I can finally say computers as more than one) up to date, I check every day for updates. But the shear amount of the .net framework updates is mind boggling!
So .net frame work is not Microsofts? then who the hell made such a POS that by all looks is so full of holes it looks like grate. And why is it even used if it is such a risky hole? I don't put my shit in a risky hole! No matter if I have a rain coat on or NOT!

AsRock · Jun 9, 2013

There is 2 security risks. No one can stop security holes even more so with MS software as it would be more targeted although Linux has got to be going up on that list to now.

1. Your comp being online
2. The user

Kreij · Jun 9, 2013

The .Net Framework is what everything in Windows runs on. It handles just about everything.
That is why you would see more patching of potential vulnerabilities to that.

Octopuss · Jun 9, 2013

Are you sure about everything? LOTS of stuff (=removing it making the system borderline useless) for sure, but not everything.

Kreij · Jun 9, 2013

That's why I said "just about everything". It does do a lot of low level stuff which makes it a rich target for malicious code.

If you removed every trace of .Net, I'm not sure the system would even boot to Windows.

I don't usually use Wiki as a source, but it's explained pretty well there.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.NET_Framework

Aquinus · Jun 9, 2013

Kreij said:
That's why I said "just about everything". It does do a lot of low level stuff which makes it a rich target for malicious code.

Not just that, but the simple fact of how many computers simply have the .NET framework installed makes it a prime target because if you really want to do something malicious, you're going to hit something that impacts the most people.

Ikaruga · Jun 9, 2013

Just intall those updates, they are good to have. Windows 7 is quite secure for everyday desktop use, well perhaps it isn't against some very high skilled hackers, but you can't really do anything to stop those people anyway

newtekie1 · Jun 9, 2013

trickson said:
Yeah I remember that one very well!
I always keep my computer's (I can finally say computers as more than one) up to date, I check every day for updates. But the shear amount of the .net framework updates is mind boggling!
So .net frame work is not Microsofts? then who the hell made such a POS that by all looks is so full of holes it looks like grate. And why is it even used if it is such a risky hole? I don't put my shit in a risky hole! No matter if I have a rain coat on or NOT!

Microsoft makes .Net, but it is not Windows. They are considered two separate pieces of software.

And on a fresh install the biggest updates related to .Net are downloading and installing .Net itself. Windows 7 ships with 3.5 pre-installed, but 4 and 4.5 have come out so those need to be downloaded and installed, and they're big. After the initial install an update to .Net only comes out once in a while, it doesn't even get an update every month. And also consider that each version is handled as a separate piece of software. So they might release an update for must 3.5 one month, and then 4.0 another month, and maybe 4.5 the next.

trickson · Jun 9, 2013

Kreij said:
The .Net Framework is what everything in Windows runs on. It handles just about everything.
That is why you would see more patching of potential vulnerabilities to that.

See I did not know this. I did however think (I know that is dangerous for me) that games used it as every game I have loaded for some reason or another installs .net framework, Even though it is installed already! They ALL have to RE-install the thing for some reason.

So thank you for this information this does help me out. I always keep my stuff updated so that is not the issue for me. I just hate the fact that it has to restart like 50 times when you do a fresh install of windows there is like well over 200 updates when I have a clean install done. Just wish there was a better way is all.

But thank you for clearing this up for me. I really thought is was some game platform or some thing or other in windows is all.

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