just bought a corsair h50

[erocker]

yeah WCing doesnt beat great air by much...

Under load, when it counts. It certainly does. At idle, factually it is kind of impossible for one to be better than the other when you are using two quality coolers (air or water). Ambient temps are ambient temps and neither water or air is going to cool anything below ambient temps unless a separate source is doing the sub ambient cooling.

 

[Binge]

I hope nobody thought I meant air was in league with a WC unit that knocks 15C off of max temps of an i7. The GTX295 I was watercooling dropped 50C under load.

 

[pantherx12]

Aye I know, its why these prebuilt 120 systems are only around par with top end air coolers in their stock configurations

If they could make the rads double thickness and over a high static pressure fan like a gentle typhoon without upping the price to much then I can imagine them doing pretty darn good.

 

[Wrigleyvillain]

Under load, when it counts.

Yep. This is totally true. When there's a lot of heat being produced a good water setup dissipates it so much better and quicker than air ever could.

 

[Binge]

Yep. This is totally true. When there's a lot of heat being produced a good water setup dissipates it so much better and quicker than air ever could.

Must correct.... or... else... people will continue... thinking.... silly things...

Yes water removes heat quickly from a heat source but the radiator is the limiting factor in removing the heat from the water. When the water becomes saturated with heat and then loses it's ability to remove heat faster than air.

 

[phanbuey]

Under load, when it counts. It certainly does. At idle, factually it is kind of impossible for one to be better than the other when you are using two quality coolers (air or water). Ambient temps are ambient temps and neither water or air is going to cool anything below ambient temps unless a separate source is doing the sub ambient cooling.

Yes but take the standard watercooling setup. Nothing that Binge or NaeKun would even look at:

Cheaper 2x120 rad ddc 3.2, Generic block etc etc.

This type of setup probably yields 5-10C better than say a Megahalems or a Noctua (new big one) in a case with good flow. 5-10C isn't all that much, really.

I meant mediocre water cooling... not "water cooling" as in all cooling systems that use water. If i hooked my rig up to the lake, i bet i could OC pretty good . Would need lots of silver though.....

 

[Wrigleyvillain]

Must correct.... or... else... people will continue... thinking.... silly things...

Yes water removes heat quickly from a heat source but the radiator is the limiting factor in removing the heat from the water. When the water becomes saturated with heat and then loses it's ability to remove heat faster than air.

Um isn't that the same as when your huge ass heat sink becomes saturated with heat as well? Bottom line is, water is always better.

 

[Kantastic]

Um isn't that the same as when your huge ass heat sink becomes saturated with heat as well? Bottom line is, water is always better.

Don't worry about Binge, he's like that. Great guy, but a little stubborn (and blunt).

 

[TheMailMan78]

Im running an H50 and Ive been pretty impressed so far. I live in south Florida and my house stays a 25c (77f) and my CPU idles at 29-31c and never breaks 45c under load.

Also keep in mind they tell you not to run more than two years with an H50. I called Corsair about that. They also cover your entire system if it leaks within those two years. Who else does that?!

 

[Kantastic]

Im running an H50 and Ive been pretty impressed so far. I live in south Florida and my house stays a 25c (77f) and my CPU idles at 29-31c and never breaks 45c under load.

Also keep in mind they tell you not to run more than two years with an H50. I called Corsair about that. They also cover your entire system if it leaks within those two years. Who else does that?!

Holy shit really? Another +1 for the H50.

I respect Corsair so much now I'm gonna go order myself a HX850. BRB!

 

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

http://cmstore.coolermaster-usa.com/product_info.php?products_id=107

 

[Naekuh]

Ok seems like you guys really dont understand the concept of water.

First off its a completely different medium.

To understand the medium better you look at specific heat.
Specific heat is defined as:
specific heat, is the measure of the heat energy required to increase the temperature of a unit quantity of a substance by a unit of temperature.

Now lets look a the mediums we use.
On the air sink we have air transfering heat out via fins.
Air has a SH of about:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Specific_heat_capacity

Air (typical room conditionsA) gas 1.012-29.19-20.85

Now lets look at water.
Water at 25 °C liquid 4.1813-75.327-74.53

You see how much greater value water has over air?

This is the element we try to manipulate when using water.

Now your going to say but the water transfers to the radiator and then goes off to air.
However the average surface on a rad is usually a lot greater then an air sink.
And the waterblock with water is used to pick up the heat from the cpu.

Why?
Usually hobby rads now a days are dual pass, and have chambers for water to travel down.
Water releases the heat in a larger surface area inside a rad then a normal air heat sink.

Also water has advanced so far now, that block making has almost reached its apex.
Meaning soon, no matter what block comes out, unless its of a different metal then copper (silver or a hydrophilic carbon (which doesnt exist btw)) Your not going to see much of a benifit.

Which is why most blocks now are stagnet... there only meant for looks, while a few gives an actual perfomance boost.

Also waterblocks now a days have a very thin base, and fine cut chanels for the water to travel though.

I can go on and on about water...

But air really cant compete against water because of the specific heat values i posted above.

 

[PaulieG]

LOL... thats not my only massive cooling system...

Miyuki on dual 480's.
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p73/aigomorla/Miyuki/IMG_1339.jpg

The pumps are config'd like this:
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p73/aigomorla/Miyuki/IMG_1334.jpg

And i spent a lot... Ive been watercooling since in 1999.
Back when we used bonnie heatercores, and had to use fish aquarium pumps to get water across..

Memories..

And I San Aces... However im loving GT's more...
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p73/aigomorla/IMG_0113.jpg

The craziest thing ive done with water is probably this:
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p73/aigomorla/IMG_0114.jpg

was used to cool this:
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p73/aigomorla/TEC Blocks/ntc22ss7.jpg
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p73/aigomorla/TEC Blocks/IMG_1377.jpg

OK i think i derailed this thread.. and i apologize.
But u guys got a sample of what high tier H2O is.

I think i can say i accurately helped plan out over 100+ watercooling systems since i first started.
On AT, im considered a legend when it comes to water, on XS, im the biggest PITA to vendors.

OK, I'm feeling inspired to go back to water again. I think I might start looking for some used parts, since I sold all of mine off last year.

 

[phanbuey]

you sold the rad that I sold to you... Which was Binge's rad!

lol... i wonder where that is now. It made it all the way to virginia before coming down to florida for a month or so .

that rad would have been lost forever if not for binge.

 

[TheMailMan78]

Holy shit really? Another +1 for the H50.

I respect Corsair so much now I'm gonna go order myself a HX850. BRB!

Yup. Its no where as bad as these jokers make it seem.

 

[fatguy1992]

Oh really? i kill air. And i showed u how.

and I kill water with my cascade

 

[Naekuh]

and I kill water with my cascade

lol.. I wouldnt call that kill... it would be more like massacre / gross slaughter...

Auto? or Manual?

 

[Nick89]

my condolences, you're one of the many many fools that have been hooked by water cooling made easy.

Beat me to it.

:shadedshu

You're still stubborn about the H50 being meant to compete with real water cooling.

And your still ignorant to other peoples opinions.

 

[pantherx12]

Beat me to it.



And you're still ignorant to other peoples opinions.

And your still ignorant of what ignorant means



In all seriousness though if they work for other people well why criticise them for it?

To each to their own is the phrase I believe we'd all do well to consider rather then going round and round in circles.

 

[Nick89]

And your still ignorant of what ignorant means



In all seriousness though if they work for other people well why criticise them for it?

To each to their own is the phrase I believe we'd all do well to consider rather then going round and round in circles.

Was using ignorant in some form. GFYS

I had an h50 last summer and it was a horrible purchase for me luckily I was able to take it back.

In the summer here in Nevada it gets up to 120F(48.8C).

 

[TheMailMan78]

Was using ignorant as an expression grammar nazi.

I had an h50 last summer and it was a horrible purchase for me luckily I was able to take it back.

In the summer here in Nevada it gets up to 120F(48.8C).

We hit 100f sometimes here in south Florida but the major difference is the humidity. Ever been in 100f degrees with 96% humidity?! Its like you're living in King Kong's butt hole!

 

[pantherx12]

Was using ignorant as an expression grammar nazi.
.

Dude please stop your killing me.

 

[Nick89]

We hit 100f sometimes here in south Florida but the major difference is the humidity. Ever been in 100f degrees with 96% humidity?! Its like you're living in King Kong's butt hole!

Ever been in 120F with 0% humidity? Its just as bad at the other end of the spectrum. You can get nose bleeds sometimes if your out in the dry heat all day.


Hey pantherx12 go fuck off.

 

[TheMailMan78]

Ever been in 120F with 0% humidity? Its just as bad at the other end of the spectrum. You can get nose bleeds sometimes if your out in the dry heat all day.


Hey pantherx12 go fuck off.

Yup. Honestly I liked that heat better.

 

[Binge]

I am not willing to shed blood over this. Alls I'm trying to say is a 120mm rad is a waste, and it's packaged in a way I can't stand behind knowing about WC. Not that Corsair won't back you up, and not that it's bound to fail. Making clubs/spreading hype/going apesh!t over something that has been on the market for a while now confuses me. The enthusiasm over such a bland product is more annoying than the product itself. The great aspects of water cooling is not the price, but it's the hobby. If you want to learn to cool something to the best your ambient air temperatures can support then eat some ramen and save some money.

I saw somewhere above that Corsair even said not to use these for more than 2 years. Looks like I'm not a complete bumbling idiot eh?