Leave your SSD alone & off, in warm cozy enviroment, may lead to data loss

[95Viper]

It seems that Seagate’s Alvin Cox, who was part of a presentation to the Joint Electron Device Engineering Council (JEDEC), gave a presentation that shows solid state drives can lose data over time if they aren’t powered on, especially in warmer environments.

The presentation, also, offers other interesting info on endurance/workloads.

Remember to keep backups of any data you want to keep or deem as necessary.

Links:
JEDEC SSD Specifications Explained

Leaving unpowered SSDs in a warm room can kill your data fast

Solid-state drives lose data if left without power for just a few days

Sorry, if it has been posted before... I could not find it.
Mods, if, there is another thread on this, please, feel free to delete.
Thanks

 

[OneMoar]

this is a bunch of FUD by mr cocks. segate is scared shitless of SSD's they are on the verge of being in danger of going bankrupt. because there enterprise customers are switching to SSD's
the whole presentation rekts of pro-platterdrive propaganda, we have SSD's at work that are used for hot swap backups. and I swapped out out the other day that had probly been powered off in the 100 degree server closet for close to 5 months

 

[Xzibit]

this is a bunch of FUD by mr cocks. segate is scared shitless of SSD's they are on the verge of being in danger of going bankrupt. because there enterprise customers are switching to SSD's
the whole presentation rekts of pro-platterdrive propaganda, we have SSD's at work that are used for hot swap backups. and I swapped out out the other day that had probly been powered off in the 100 degree server closet for close to 5 months

Not really.

Seagate bought LSI which gave them the SandForce controller and when they bought Samsungs HDD division they struck a deal for memory chips. If its propaganda they are shooting themselves in the foot.

 

[OneMoar]

Not really.

Seagate bought LSI which gave them the SandForce controller and when they bought Samsungs HDD division they struck a deal for memory chips. If its propaganda they are shooting themselves in the foot.

they are YEARS away from being able to produce SSD's in any quantity
if you read real careful though the presentation is basically a bunch of what-ifs and mabys aimed squarely at discrediting SSDS with no real testing or evidence presented

 

[AsRock]

LOL, i have left SSD's none powered for months ( backup OS ) though summer which gets up to 98f and not seen this data loss yet.


Maybe PCWorld found a SSD that does do it but how many i believe they truly don't know.

Believing PCWorld is like believing IGN. and Fudzilla.

 

[Xzibit]

they are YEARS away from being able to produce SSD's in any quantity
if you read real careful though the presentation is basically a bunch of what-ifs and mabys aimed squarely at discrediting SSDS with no real testing or evidence presented

That went by fast

Seagate 1200 SSD series

 

[OneMoar]

That went by fast

Seagate 1200 SSD series

>not made by seagate no part of that drive other then the firmware is made by seagate its a marvel ASIC and uses samsung NAND so much for LSI and sandforce
seagate is years out from being a contender in the SSD market at any level ...

 

[Xzibit]

>not made by seagate no part of that drive other then the firmware is made by seagate its a marvel ASIC and uses samsung NAND so much for LSI and sandforce
seagate is years out from being a contender in the SSD market at any level ...

Being a contender is different than what you were try'n to paint them as clueless for their assertions.

Two different things all together

 

[OneMoar]

Being a contender is different than what you were try'n to paint them as clueless for their assertions.

Two different things all together

they are not. they don't have a single consumer or even "pro" grade SSD thats in-house the ones they do have are generation old tech + they have zero market relevancy when it comes to enterprise SSDs

 

[R-T-B]

If this was remotely true usb flash drives (which are flash based, like SSDs) would suffer from the same issue. I've NEVER seen this be a problem for those.

I'm not saying there isn't maybe a miniscule bit of truth to this mind you, but it's certainly being exaggerated by Seagate, whose profits are still chiefly in the HDD market for years to come... OneMoar is correct there.

 

[OneMoar]

If this was remotely true usb flash drives (which are flash based, like SSDs) would suffer from the same issue. I've NEVER seen this be a problem for those.

I'm not saying there isn't maybe a miniscule bit of truth to this mind you, but it's certainly being exaggerated by Seagate, whose profits are still chiefly in the HDD market for years to come... OneMoar is correct there.

the same is true of western digital
platter drive manufacturers are getting left in the dust
they hedged there bets on SSD's not become cheap enough quickly enough... and lost ... badly

 

[R-T-B]

the same is true of western digital
platter drive manufacturers are getting left in the dust
they hedged there bets on SSD's not become cheap enough and lost ... badly

It's true of everyone HDD wise save perhaps Toshiba and Samsung, who never really chiefly made HDDs anyways (it was more of a "because we can" type thing).

 

[OneMoar]

It's true of everyone HDD wise save perhaps Toshiba and Samsung, who never really chiefly made HDDs anyways (it was more of a "because we can" type thing).

both Toshiba and samsung already had sillicon FABS when the whole SSD thing started
WD/Seagate never invested in that and it came back to bite them

 

[R-T-B]

both Toshiba and samsung already had sillicon FABS when the whole SSD thing started
WD/Seagate never invested in that and it came back to bite them

Yes, I kinda noted that when I said they "never really chiefly made HDDs"

As in, they had both the money and sense (as well as infrastructure) to not put all their eggs in one basket.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

Enterprise is going to keep using HDDs for long term storage because it is proven reliable and cost effective. Seagate likely uses LSI IP in their hybrid HDDS. At the same time, I can see where OneMoar is coming from in that this information shouldn't be taken at face value. JEDEC is the one to watch here. There really aren't good standards in SDDs for endurance and that should be rectified. JEDEC is a good place to do that. Just because an SSD has 1 TB/s read/write doesn't mean it can retain its data for 10 years. Consumers should be made aware of the anticipated lifespan of the technologies used.

 

[Deelron]

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9248/the-truth-about-ssd-data-retention

Covers the topic fairly well. Lets say after reading it I'm not any more worried then I would be storing data on any other regularly available media.

 

[the54thvoid]

There's a very good article on this over on Anandtech. Points out more of the facts. One being the nuisance of reports it was a Seagate guy. That he worked for Seagate is coincidental to him being part of the JEDEC standards group.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9248/the-truth-about-ssd-data-retention

Edit: I was just ninja'd

 

[FordGT90Concept]

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9248/the-truth-about-ssd-data-retention

Covers the topic fairly well. Lets say after reading it I'm not any more worried then I would be storing data on any other regularly available media.

2 years (105 weeks) doesn't exactly exude confidence. The testing is pretty clear, and the article ends on that note: "...if you're looking to archive data I would recommend going with hard drives for cost reasons alone." SSDs should only be used in an active environment, not a storage environment.

 

[erixx]

If they had stored massive financial spreadsheets instead of masssssiveeee P0rn to do the tests much lower temps would have been achieved, in'nit!

 

[OneMoar]

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2925...nt-lose-data-if-left-unplugged-after-all.html
what do you know
!aboutfacefowardRETREAT!