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  1. LegacyOS

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    Day after day still usable Pentium III and 4 PC's and Laptops are finding their way in to Landfill because everyone believes their no longer usable. Well I'm here to tell you this isn't true if you install Legacy OS 2.1 LTS on this better built Hardware. Think about this "How many of these Computers died due to Hardware issues?" I still have many 14 year old PC's and Laptops still running. I've seen a lot of currently Hardware die within 2 years.
    Now at my expense and time over the last 7 years I've released a legacy operating system to keep these Pentium III computers useful. Yes I'll admit a 350mhz Pentium isn't going to run HD Video but if we converted it to a more manageable format with the included tools it will.

    This month I released Legacy OS 2.1 LTS on http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=legacy to save as many of these PC's as I can. I've also packaged the CD size iso with a range of super useful Applications to allow one of the old PC's to be put back to work doing a range of different tasks.

    I'm assuming a number of forum members may have tried or are running Legacy OS in one form or another on an old PC they have lying around. If you'd like to share your experiences Good and Bad that would be great.
    Lastly Legacy OS 2.1 LTS doesn't look like an out of date Windows 98 wanna be.

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    at least be honest with your thread titles, if you're here to advertise a product or service.
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    I make no money for the work I do on Legacy OS. My sole intension is to save old PC's, help the poor get useful software discarded by those more fortunate. Legacy OS is not a company maybe it is a product or service but definitely a not for profit one. Over the years I've had many thanks for PC users in poorer countries who have been able to help their kids get access to software they've never have got.
    I apologize if I've offended you in any way as that was not my intension. Legacy OS is a great OS and I posted here to let forum members know it's available as a free download that all.
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    I'd prefer people recycle old machines (old qualified as single core). They consume a lot of power for the work they do and they're likely coupled to an inefficient power supply further increasing power consumption.
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    and such things are allowed here - but make sure its clear in the title as well as the thread, that you're here to offer something. the thread title makes it sound like you're asking for help repairing an old machine, and the post reads like an ad.


    this is a pattern of spam bots (you replied, so you are not one) but it can certainly lead to you being confused with one.
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    Hello Mussels,
    I'm no fan of spam bots either.
    FordGT90Concept, your car dates back to the mid 90's and I remember it in magazines. It had a single core V12 LOL! so it to is now a bit Legacy and there's nothing wrong with that as it still looks good even today.
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    Macish and Win7 desktop themes added. Find them at Sourceforge.

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    It is an open source project so...
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    What is the motivation to use this distro? I could easily install Xubuntu or install bare Ubuntu or Debian with i3 and barely use more than 100MB of memory. What is it that your distro does that other can't, because I find a lot of Linux distros are already doing a good job at accomplishing this goal. That's just my observation.
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    thread title has been changed since those posts were made. originally it sounded like a help thread, albeit unintentionally.
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    Hello Aquinus, I too am a fan of Xubuntu. Yes Xubuntu will run on similar hardware but when both are installed on Pentium III hardware and tested the speed difference is obvious. Let's see Xubuntu play an avi on a 500mhz celeron with 128mb's of ram. The range of preinstalled applications on one CD is amazing. Lets say you only had a 4GB Hard Drive PC with a CD Rom drive only you'd still be able to create a productive PC. Try doing the same using Xubuntu which these days requires a DVD. Once you've changed the CD drive for a DVD one and installed Xubuntu there wouldn't be much room. Also while Legacy OS 2.1 LTS will install on a PC with 128mb's of Ram I'm not sure if Xubuntu would. Also you'll need to download the "Restricted Extra's" Package to play MP3's, Avi's etc with Legacy you don't as they all come preinstalled. A user with no access to the internet can still get a lot of user out of Legacy. While you can't see the point of Legacy spend sometime with it exploring all it has to offer and it might just grow on you.
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    Do you have proof of such an improvement? In what applications and in what situations is this true and do you have numbers to back it up or is it just subjective opinion?
    It depends on the quality of the video and the decoder being used, not the OS.
    That's because (X)Ubuntu includes a ton of libraries that won't always be used. It's like Windows including a ton of Drivers to make sure that any (older) system that it is installed on will work out of the box.
    It would, but you would need to use the alternate install disk because 128MB isn't enough to drive the installer and a GUI at the same time (as far as Xubuntu is concerned.)
    Ubuntu doesn't include non-free software with their OS. I wouldn't call that a disadvantage and if you're including it with your OS, there may be some licensing issues you might not be aware of because of it. Just a word of warning.
    I think the same argument can be made of most *nix distros.

    I guess I want to actually see proof that it does better than other distros because I would rather have community behind the updates on Debian or Ubuntu. I feel that this is just reinventing the wheel since there are so many different distros that already do the same thing and have vastly larger communities associated with them which is a huge benefit for security updates and bug fixes.
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    Apart from running phoronix benchmark testsuite, there will be no evidence of improvement beetween Legacy OS and Xubuntu.

    Then again, just as Aquinus said, you would only benchmark the hardware with this method, not the OS and its intrinsic capacities.

    Maybe oggenc, ffmpeg, abcde and the like could provide significant datas for software performances comparison. Then again Legacy OS is build upon an old distro, while Xubuntu is based on the latest linux kernel and has the latest enhanced libs available, so the later would probably win...
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    lets all get ReactOS
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    LegacyOS said: ?
    when both are installed on Pentium III hardware and tested the speed difference is obvious.
    Do you have proof of such an improvement? In what applications and in what situations is this true and do you have numbers to back it up or is it just subjective opinion?

    Reply: User Feedback good and bad
    https://sourceforge.net/projects/legacyoslinux
    http://linux.softpedia.com/progViewOpinions/Legacy-OS-31563,.html
    http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=87145
    http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=68397

    Proper review of TEENpup original name for Legacy OS from 2009
    http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/teenpup.html

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    Let's see Xubuntu play an avi on a 500mhz celeron with 128mb's of ram.
    It depends on the quality of the video and the decoder being used, not the OS.

    Reply: I disagree due to the fact Legacy's system base dates back to 2006-2007 so each system library is smaller in turn making the whole system faster. Programmers back then were creating these system libraries and testing them against Pentium III and 4's with the odd duo core. Xorg from that era hasn't been patched to keep it going like on current based distro's. User's report Youtube plays smoothly on their Hardware when later xorg versions don't.

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    The range of preinstalled applications on one CD is amazing. Lets say you only had a 4GB Hard Drive PC with a CD Rom drive only you'd still be able to create a productive PC. Try doing the same using Xubuntu which these days requires a DVD. Once you've changed the CD drive for a DVD one and installed Xubuntu there wouldn't be much room.
    That's because (X)Ubuntu includes a ton of libraries that won't always be used. It's like Windows including a ton of Drivers to make sure that any (older) system that it is installed on will work out of the box.

    Reply: Most Legacy users don't have any problems with their Hardware. Yes there's the occasional user who has some trouble but for the odd failure there's still a number of Happy Legacy OS user.

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    Also while Legacy OS 2.1 LTS will install on a PC with 128mb's of Ram I'm not sure if Xubuntu would.
    It would, but you would need to use the alternate install disk because 128MB isn't enough to drive the installer and a GUI at the same time (as far as Xubuntu is concerned.)

    Reply: Say you have an old Pentium III and would like to get some use out of it. Simply all you have to do is boot up the Live CD and run the installer. In about 15 to 30 minutes depending on Hardware Legacy OS is installed ready to go. That's it Java, Flash, Codecs all installed no more to do.

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    Also you'll need to download the "Restricted Extra's" Package to play MP3's, Avi's etc with Legacy you don't as they all come preinstalled.
    Ubuntu doesn't include non-free software with their OS. I wouldn't call that a disadvantage and if you're including it with your OS, there may be some licensing issues you might not be aware of because of it. Just a word of warning.

    Reply: Legacy OS was originally known as TEENpup Linux and the first release was back in 2007. Legacy OS originates from Australia where the Laws are different from say the USA. Every release since 2007 has included Flash, Java and Codecs.

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    A user with no access to the internet can still get a lot of user out of Legacy. While you can't see the point of Legacy spend sometime with it exploring all it has to offer and it might just grow on you.
    I think the same argument can be made of most *nix distros.

    Reply: You'd be hard pressed to find another CD size distro with this amount of Software included. If you know of one please let me know as I'll buy them a beer.

    I guess I want to actually see proof that it does better than other distros because I would rather have community behind the updates on Debian or Ubuntu. I feel that this is just reinventing the wheel since there are so many different distros that already do the same thing and have vastly larger communities associated with them which is a huge benefit for security updates and bug fixes.

    Reply: How many times have you read "A Serious vulnerability has been found in software. For example the recent "Heartbleed Bug" and OpenSSL. Reports say the vulnerability may has been there for over 2 years. This means for the last 2 years anyone could have exploited millions of accounts stealing their passwords, money and so on. The basic fact is right now unknown vulnerability exist in software that hasn't been discovered yet. It is true that with Xubuntu through Ubuntu that security updates will be provided which is something Legacy OS can't do. I still feel safer using Legacy OS over Windows when on line.

    As for Bugs every new release of Xubuntu starts with Alpha's then Beta's to squash Bugs introduced with a new kernel,system libraries and other so called improvements. Your take on "reinventing the wheel" can be seen in different ways. In the past Ubuntu has released a new version every 6 months after debugging it. Ubuntu gets a new version up to scratch releases it and then starts the cycle again for the next release. Recent releases have focused on fine tuning and not just new features. Legacy OS is about refining a concept not reinventing it every six months.
    One thing I am incredibly proud of is the stability of the Legacy OS 2 Series. Many users have reported how stable Legacy is to use day to day.
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    You can "disagree" with me as much as you want, but unless you have proof that it runs better (benchmarks and numbers,) I'm relucatant to think that is the case. There have also been a number of imporovements to these codecs over the years which might cause the opposite. Most Flash issues I run into are incompatibilities with FGLRX. If i ran radeon open source drivers I would be home free.

    Not sure how this is related to how many packages come in the box (tm).

    You might want to read the Debian requirements, because it only "needs" 128MB of ram.
    Copyright laws exist in places other than the US of A. So they're either the same packages Debian or Ubuntu would use or they're older which can cause incompatilibity issues with things like Flash. Once again, I don't see the benefit. I can create a lean OS on almost every distro.

    I guess I want to actually see proof that it does better than other distros because I would rather have community behind the updates on Debian or Ubuntu. I feel that this is just reinventing the wheel since there are so many different distros that already do the same thing and have vastly larger communities associated with them which is a huge benefit for security updates and bug fixes.

    Oh, another one of these people. Do you even know what HeartBleed is? It's a bug. All it did was allow a section of memory to be exposed when an (invalid) SSL request came in of a certain type. This doesn't "give hackers your personal information" if gives hackers raw SSL data that may have something useful but more likely does not. It's a lot of work for potentially no gain. Also not having internet and using older packages would be susceptible to bugs that have already been squashed.

    Ubuntu doesn't reinvent the wheel every time they upgrade to the latest Kernel. Many changes they make are simply bug fixes and improvements, not entire library API changes. Being ignorant doesn't make Legacy OS better and comparing to to distros that have an entire developer community backing it are more likely to find issues. You complain about Ubunutu's 6-month release schedule, but at least it's a regular release schedule. However the assumption that every release contains completely unique libraries and code and changes everything is false.

    Once again, show me numbers. Show me how it really fairs compared to other OSs and I'll be interested, but everything you have to say is speculative and a lot of it is actually wrong.

    Did you make Legacy OS or are you just advertising it, because I feel a developer would be a bit more knowledgeable about these things if he or she did the research before deciding to go where everyone has gone before with a new distro.
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    Your Specs:

    Kratos
    Processor: Intel Core i7 3820 @ 4.50Ghz ~1.4v
    Motherboard: ASUS P9X79 Deluxe
    Cooling: Zalman CPNS9900MAX 130mm
    Memory: G.Skill DDR3-2333, 16gb (4x4gb) @ 10-11-10-30-108-1T 1.65v
    Video Card(s): 2x AMD (MSI branded) Radeon HD 6870 (Crossfire)
    Hard Disk(s): 2x120Gb SATA3 Corsair Force GT Raid-0, 4x1Tb SATA2 RAID-5
    Optical Drive: Asus DVD Burner on Marval SATA3 Controller
    LCD/CRT Model: 3x Dell S2340M 23" IPS-LED (5760x1080)
    Case: Antec 1200
    Sound Card: Realtek® ALC898 8-Channel High Definition Audio
    Power Supply: Seasonic 1000-watt 80 PLUS Platinum
    Software: Windows 7 x64 Professional / Ubuntu Gnome 13.10 (amd64)

    My Specs:

    Processor: Pentium III Coppermine 668Mhz Cache Size 256kb
    Motherboard: VIA Technologies Inc VT82C
    Cooling: Tiny Heat Zinc and Fan
    Memory: 515MB Clocking at 133Mhz
    Video Card(s): nVidia NV11 (GeForce2 MX/MX400)
    Hard Disk(s): SAMSUNG SP0411N | MAXTOR 6E040L0 TOTAL SIZE 80GB
    Optical Drive: LITE-ON DVDRW SOHW-832S
    LCD/CRT Model: Phillips LCD 170S
    Case: White No Name Plastic and Metal Thing
    Sound Card: Creative Labs SB Live!
    Power Supply: 230 Watt
    Software: Legacy OS 2.1 LTS
    Benchmark Scores: Blowfish 48.82

    After I posted I checked out your Specs and your system is so removed from what Legacy OS stands for it's ridiculous. I can now see why you see Legacy OS as a totally pointless exercise. Your system could never run Legacy OS so it would be impossible for you to bench test it. Yes I am the sole developer and maybe I used the wrong example about security. The point was vulnerabilities exist in all software If it didn't Microsoft and Ubuntu wouldn't be releasing security updates regularly. If you read some of the posts links I provided you'd see Legacy OS has found some happy users over the years. Yes it hasn't worked for all of them. In one form or another it has been downloaded at least 160,000 times from sources that record downloaded numbers. There has also been torrents setup and on line stores like OSdisc.com which have been making money out of selling Legacy on CD that I feel the number of downloads would be closer to 200,000. For a pointless Operating System I feel there'd be others that would disagree with your assessment. I created "Magic Scripts" which calls ffmpeg to convert video files to different formats by simply dragging and dropping a video file on top of an icon which has been included in TEENpup and Legacy OS for years. read the review http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/teenpup.html to see what a respected reviewer thinks.
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    It's based on puppy linux I believe. I have friends who have spent years tweaking puppy to run just right on old machines, very time consuming. Distros like this are still used by people on old hardware, and yes, newer distros won't work. He should be commended for putting the time into this and offering it for free. It's a good little project, and power users shouldn't be dumping on it.....
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    For Kratos, yeah, it would be a waste, but I still think it would be just as wasteful on an old skt478 celeron with a radeon 9200 that I also have that isn't listed in my specs.

    Also for a distro that has "so many users and reviews", it's funny that this thread shows up on just the second page of a google search for Legacy OS. I think you're over exaggerating interest in LegacyOS and if you use google trends there isn't even enough data to graph interest in it.

    So instead of attacking me, how about you answer some of my questions because so far Debian or Xubuntu could do the exact same thing with much more options with respect to available software not to mention that it will work well on most machines, not just older ones. Also if I install Linux on an older machine, I install only what I need. Installing a bunch of packages doesn't make it a good distro imho even more so when your resources are limited.

    I used to have a linux box at work for administering our KVM server, it had very little on it, used less than 60MB of memory on boot and 80MB once i3 loaded up. I can say that Ubuntu/Debian can run just as lean if not leaner which is a great appeal (in my opinion,) for installing a distro on an older machine.
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    Honestly, I have a friend who does amazing things with puppy linux and very old hardware... even an old p1 90mhz laptop.... he was a bit nuts, but still.....
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    Come on guys, the OP is only putting this out there to help some people. Maybe it doesn't help you, but that doesn't mean it won't help anyone.
    The OP put his time and work into setting something up for those on older hardware. I'm glad there are people like the OP doing this. Not everyone can afford newer hardware; most older PCs are more than capable of doing basic tasks like writing documents, web browsing, etc.
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    Never know where the little guy will go..... one day long ago this fly by nite co had an os called cp\m.. then cpm-86, then some guy named bill found it and built an empire on it.....
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    With all due respect to LegacyOS and its creator, old distributions (obviously with old packets) have a lot of unsealed security breaches, since the maintainers dropped support several years ago. In case of computers connected to the Internet, those well-known vulnerabilities are put to full use by today's attackers to harness huge botnets (no matter what OS we're talking about, microsoft and linux alike)

    LegacyOS is totally worth using it for thousand's of people arounf the world, i have no doubts about it. But those security concerns remain nonetheless...
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    The common base of business computers in NA running XP is still over 30%. Old distros of linux still run web servers. Vulnerabilities are ever present. I can run an os av or firewall free for as long as I like and not get infected, if I use safe habits. We just get lazy with avs, firewalls, spyware scanners..... the only reason we need those is because we hit sites we shouldn't.
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    Hello Aquinus,
    I asked the Puppy Linux forum for their feeling on the speed difference between Xubuntu and Legacy OS 2.1 LTS See Here: http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=93365

    I 100% agree that Legacy is most likely not as secure as Xubuntu is. When I use to run XP that poor computer got attacked regularly. In the end I spend more time update all the software designed to protect the poor little thing then using it. Never in all the time since switching to LInux in 2006 have I been attacked. I can tell you as part of testing Legacy and other Linux versions I've gone to places no self respecting Windows user would ever dare to go.

    This is how I see computing. A computer that connects to the internet should never have personally information stored on it. Feel free to hack my web surfing PC and copy anything you want. Also feel free to destroy the OS as I'll be back up on line in 15 minutes after Legacy reinstalls itself while I'm enjoying a cup of coffee.

    Legacy has never been about winning a popularity contest and is only available for those who want to make use of it. Yes I posted here to promote it's availability but only for the benefit of others.

    I am Legacy's creator for the record and Legacy is loaded with software you mightn't want but that's just the thing other might. Years of work finding all this legacy software is yours as soon as you boot up the life CD.

    Lastly to all who posted with support for Legacy I say thanks. I also say thanks for forum members like Aquinus who take the time to comment. There's nothing like a bit of health debate. Just know any comments you make doesn't offend me at all. If they did I would never have created Legacy OS.
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