Looking for new 24'' monitor

[mooch37]

At the moment, I'm trying to get some of my peripherals upgraded before the 4th Quarter because by then I'll be wanting to upgrade my actual system. Recently my 19'' Viewsonic died and now I'm having to use a backup 17'' monitor and let me tell you, this thing is just pathetic. I feel like I'm using some sort of Fisher-Price monitor. So, my question to you guys is what monitors would you recommend that are roughly 24''. I've never had one that large before, but from what everyone else says, apparently it's a drastic difference. I mainly use my PC for games so I'll need a fast response time. I have good speakers and a good headset so I don't need mounted speakers, however it wouldn't kill me if they had them because I'd just turn them off.

Basic Rundown:
- Preferably a 2ms.
- 24'' or close to it
- Preferably 1920x1200 but 1920x1080 will be fine too
- Under or around $300

I'll be honest, I'm no guru when it comes to monitors but I know some of the basics. From what I've heard, there are these new monitors that have 8-bit colors or something like that and supposedly they are just amazing, but the drawback is that they have a high response time and I can't have that for my games. I just need to find a happy medium somewhere in there.

One last thing I was going to mention and that is, if there is any sort of new technology for monitors comming soon that might really be worth my while then let me know because even though I'm playing on a tiny monitor, I can wait a few more months if they are comming out with something new.

Here's the one I've been looking at getting:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824116401

 

[Tau]

for $300 you are prretty much limited to a TN panel, so basically anything in that price bracket will perform fairly similarly, and anything under 8ms should be fine for gaming, if you are coming from a CRT you WILL notice a bit of tearing when moving to an LCD, though depending on the LCD it is usually fairly minimal and you adjust to not even notive it pretty quickly.


The only 24" I would reccomened happens to be ~$550, as I have used pretty much everything else and nothing compares to them. But in that range the Samsung 2443 (i think thats the model, or w/e the current samsung in that bracket is) is a popular choice and performs decently, though the color reproduction (might not matter to you) is not the greatest (even after calibration)

 

[Mussels]

have a look at the one i hve, samsung syncmaster 2494HS.

'mere' TN film, but it looks BETTER than my VA HDTV (and NOT because of the res - the screen has great color, and great contrast)

 

[mooch37]

Ok, say my budget was higher. Maybe $400-500. What might I be looking at then? I really don't do a whole lot of movies on my PC so thats not a major concern, but ofcourse I want the best color I can find. And I guess my next question is how fast does it have to be till it there is no ghosting or at least very minimal ghosting? 5ms? My monitor that just died had 3ms and I had no problem with ghosting at all.

Just so I'm fully understanding whats at stake here...
- If I go with a TN panel, then I get low response times, but color quality isn't going to be as good.
- If I go with a higher quality monitor (not TN), I'm looking at dropping $400-500, but I get much better picture quality but higher response times.


UPDATE:
Something else I just found was the Samsung T240
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicat...&csid=ITD&recordsPerPage=10&body=REVIEWS#tabs

Everything looks great on it. 5ms is a little slower than what I was aiming for, but honestly, I've never owned a 5ms response time monitor so it may not be as bad as I'm making it out to be. It's got the 16.7 million colors so I imagine that is one of the new types of monitors. If it's really the new tech then why is it only $279.99 on Newegg?

 

[Mussels]

i'm pretty sure the T240 has the same innards as my one, its just a different aspect ratio.

 

[mooch37]

So whats with the 16.7 million colors then? I thought that was the only reason why it would be so expensive? And both Newegg and Tiger stated that it does in fact have 16.7 million colors. Something doesn't add up. Am I missing something?

 

[Paintface]

BENQ and SAMSUNG are the best LCDs in that price range, have personal experience with both.

 

[mooch37]

OK, I think I finally found something that I really like. The only problem is that it's not 24'' but 22''. Other than that, I can't find a single flaw with this monitor. 120Hz, 5ms, 16.7 million colors. Everyone who reviewed it said it was great for gaming.

Samsung Syncmaster 2233RZ:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824001311

 

[Disparia]

It doesn't run at either of your preferred resolutions, it's otherwise very nice.

 

[mooch37]

It doesn't run at either of your preferred resolutions, it's otherwise very nice.

Yeah, I forgot that I mentioned that. Well, let me ask you something. Between a 22'' and a 24'' is there really that much of a difference going from a 19''? Size wise, that is. Looking at some of these high end 24'', I just can't see myself dropping $600+ on a monitor.

 

[Disparia]

I had the 20" Sceptre that's still listed in my specs and recently bought a 24" Asus. Was $260 on sale IIRC. Not a true 8-bit panel (6bit+HiFrc), but much better than my previous monitor. All my photos and video are vivid with a clarity that I didn't have before. Very happy with it as it exceeds my previous monitor in every way at a very reasonable cost.

If you use your current monitor as a starting point, then I believe you'll be happy with a TN-level 24" monitor.

 

[FatForester]

I just took the plunge and bought an ASUS 24" VW246H. It cost me $205 shipped from ZZF, has 2ms response, 1920x1080 resolution, HDMI, and it looks great! No dead pixels either. Up until recently I've been using a combination of an Acer 17" 4:3 and Acer 19" 16:10, and after setting up the 24" there's been absolutely no comparison. Samsung makes excellent monitors, you just have to pay for it. I have been incredibly pleased with this so far, only thing is I had to spend a few minutes to change the settings to my liking, but that will happen with anything you buy.

The promo code I used on ZZF is gone, so it's now at $215 shipped:
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=10009799

Newegg has it for $220 shipped if you prefer shopping there though:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236049

 

[Tau]

Ok, say my budget was higher. Maybe $400-500. What might I be looking at then? I really don't do a whole lot of movies on my PC so thats not a major concern, but ofcourse I want the best color I can find. And I guess my next question is how fast does it have to be till it there is no ghosting or at least very minimal ghosting? 5ms? My monitor that just died had 3ms and I had no problem with ghosting at all.

Just so I'm fully understanding whats at stake here...
- If I go with a TN panel, then I get low response times, but color quality isn't going to be as good.
- If I go with a higher quality monitor (not TN), I'm looking at dropping $400-500, but I get much better picture quality but higher response times.


UPDATE:
Something else I just found was the Samsung T240
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicat...&csid=ITD&recordsPerPage=10&body=REVIEWS#tabs

Everything looks great on it. 5ms is a little slower than what I was aiming for, but honestly, I've never owned a 5ms response time monitor so it may not be as bad as I'm making it out to be. It's got the 16.7 million colors so I imagine that is one of the new types of monitors. If it's really the new tech then why is it only $279.99 on Newegg?

If you had the budget i would pick up an HP LP2475W, I havent seen another LCD on the market that can even come close to these babys, in terms of color accuracy as well as quality. and you get 3 years of next day shipping warranty on them from HP!

Mind you they are basically the grail of 24" right now with H-IPS panels in them

You would be happy with the samsungs of BenQ's, I have owned a few of each and have to say that I prefer the Samsungs over the build quality of the BenQ's. I havent owned an Asus yet.... but have been considering picking one up here as they are always going on sale.

I was kind of in the same boat a month ago when i upgraded my primarys to 24", i went out and demoed and used basically all the main 24's on the market, i used the 60Hz samsungs (2443, and T240, the 25" benq (dident like it at all) i tryed the 2ms LG, the Dell 2408WFP. and then one look at these HP's and i knew they were the ones they are marketed at 6ms (i think) responce and i have ZERO issues (I am very picky on that kind of thing... comeing from a long background of counterstrike, 1.6, source, and cod4) The other thing you need to pay attentiion to is inpug lag, wich most TN panels dont have much of at all, the only real issue seems to be with the early revisisons of the Dell 2408WFP. Most LCDs are around the 10-20ms range wich seems to be about the norm (again there are ones with less, i cant remember models right now.)

If you can i would go look at the competing models before you pick one out as its really up to what you like

If not any of the ones you listed should all be about the same.

 

[Ponkata]

You can get samsung f2380 23" 1920x1080 8ms and the most important its C-PVA.
http://translate.google.com/transla...634849.html&prev=hp&rurl=translate.google.com
In this review there is comparison with monitor using TN panel(like 99% of the monitors on the market). You will see how big the difference is but the price is the same with 24" TN monitors - 300$. Don't worry about the "slow" response time it have been tested and there is no ghosting during fast movie scenes or games.
I am considering to buy dell 2209wa 22" 1680x1050 6ms ISP panel. This is other great monitor for under 300$. I prefer it because i don't like samsung resolution .

 

[bpgt64]

Just got this...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236048

 

[Tau]

Just got this...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236048

Thats the one i was looking at to use as a secondary HTPC controlled TV.... How is it?

 

[bpgt64]

pretty awesome, great contrast ratio, sound on the speakers is pretty great too. The webcam is pretty dismal though. The life frame software they bundle with it won't even work with the camera..no big loss but meh.

 

[boomstik360]

I have an ASUS HD monitor aswell. I love it, it is much better than any other HD monitor I have owned to date. i've had samsung's, viewsonic's, and hanns-g's. The colors are great and the contrast ratio is amazing. They are very good for the price. I really wouldn't hesitate to buy another asus monitor. It is the only monitor brand that I would buy without even seeing it first off in a store or something. Also the splendid is a nice touch too. I have yet to try the speakers though lol..